Owen Jones attacked [split topic]

[Funcrusher]

I'm more reminded of the person punching Richard Spencer in the face, which I have always felt uncomfortable with, no matter how nasty his politics are. Some of the footage of Antifa  in Portland I also don't find comfortable viewing. No unprovoked attack on anyone is acceptable or usefully advances any cause, other than instilling fear.

[BlodwynPig]

Must have been absolute hell for him. Could that liquid in a cardboard cup be powerful acid? Impossible to say. Utterly terrifying.

Don't tell him about clouds, he'll go into meltdown

[chveik]

People who've incited and celebrated attacks on political figures they disagree with are now condemning this, predictably. You know who you are and I hope this makes you have second thoughts about glorifying political violence in the future.

Obviously whoever did it it is a horrible thing to happen and unacceptable, but aren't they jumping to conclusions a bit that it's the 'far right'? What is that based on? A bunch of drunken twats at 3am spotted someone off the telly and had a pop at him, seems as likely an explanation without spinning off on some preconceived and useful narrative.

Who has done this? I know a few people found it funny when Farage got milkshaked, missing the point that in this day and age if someone throws a liquid on someone the victim is likely to be momentarily terrified it is an acid attack, which is actually horrible and potentially traumatising, so its not some funny trivial thing. This stuff is really easy, just condemn any politically motivated violence against whoever it is.

here comes the fucking cavalry

[Jumblegraws]

Obviously whoever did it it is a horrible thing to happen and unacceptable, but aren't they jumping to conclusions a bit that it's the 'far right'? What is that based on? A bunch of drunken twats at 3am spotted someone off the telly and had a pop at him, seems as likely an explanation without spinning off on some preconceived and useful narrative.

Just call him a liar if you think that's what he is.

[biggytitbo]

Must have been absolute hell for him. Could that liquid in a cardboard cup be powerful acid? Impossible to say. Utterly terrifying.

Yeah cos when someone rushes up to you and throws some liquid on you, you really have time to analyse what kind of cup it is in. It's designed to be a faux acid attack and is thus pretty horrifying for a moment, until you realise its milk or whatever. Maybe, as is possible with Owen, the victim is fine but might harbour some sort of trauma about it?

Why does this need to be explained to you?

[Funcrusher]

Must have been absolute hell for him. Could that liquid in a cardboard cup be powerful acid? Impossible to say. Utterly terrifying.

Do you think that these hurr durr one liners that you endlessly pump out on threads like this add anything of value?

[biggytitbo]

Just call him a liar if you think that's what he is.

No. I do find it a bit unlikely it was a targeted far right attack at 3am in the morning outside a pub. I dunno, maybe it was some drunken yobs, just a wild million to one guess.

[Cuellar]

Do you think that these hurr durr one liners that you endlessly pump out on threads like this add anything of value?

Oh im sorry I thought this was a comedy forum

[idunnosomename]

I'm more reminded of the person punching Richard Spencer in the face, which I have always felt uncomfortable with, no matter how nasty his politics are. Some of the footage of Antifa  in Portland I also don't find comfortable viewing. No unprovoked attack on anyone is acceptable or usefully advances any cause, other than instilling fear.

oh there's a lot on this portland thing but the hammer was definitely wielded by the proud boys and taken from them by antifa and then willfully misrepresented as far-left terrorism

maybe we wouldn't need this disturbing antifa if we didnt have you know, the fa

[Funcrusher]

Oh im sorry I thought this was a comedy forum

This isn't a comedy thread, as you know. Also, comedy is meant to be funny.

[Cuellar]

Yeah your right ill stop now. I'll be very serious and never employ sarcasm apart from in the approved threads and at the approved times.

I'm soooo, so oooooo soorry

[Funcrusher]

oh there's a lot on this portland thing but the hammer was definitely wielded by the proud boys and taken from them by antifa and then willfully misrepresented as far-left terrorism

maybe we wouldn't need this disturbing antifa if we didnt have you know, the fa

From what I could see that started with Antifa trying to smash in the doors of the fa's busses, which is kind of an act of aggression.

[Jumblegraws]

No. I do find it a bit unlikely it was a targeted far right attack at 3am in the morning outside a pub. I dunno, maybe it was some drunken yobs, just a wild million to one guess.

You described it as a preconceived and useful narrative and dismissed his claims that he was left in no doubt about the motivations. You either have good reason to believe that Jones is deluded (hint: you don't) or you think he's a liar.

[Cuellar]

From what I could see that started with Antifa trying to smash in the doors of the fa's busses, which is kind of an act of aggression.

I think the point is that fascism is inherently violent.

(is that a hurr durr one liner? pls get back to me asap if it is and I'll remove it)

[DrGreggles]

Obviously whoever did it it is a horrible thing to happen and unacceptable, but aren't they jumping to conclusions a bit that it's the 'far right'? What is that based on? A bunch of drunken twats at 3am spotted someone off the telly and had a pop at him, seems as likely an explanation without spinning off on some preconceived and useful narrative.

Who has done this? I know a few people found it funny when Farage got milkshaked, missing the point that in this day and age if someone throws a liquid on someone the victim is likely to be momentarily terrified it is an acid attack, which is actually horrible and potentially traumatising, so its not some funny trivial thing. This stuff is really easy, just condemn any politically motivated violence against whoever it is.

[Funcrusher]

I think the point is that fascism is inherently violent.

Is getting pulled into that violence by starting it a useful tactic? Fascism speaks through violence because it's just an embodiment of and veneration of power and force. Socialism should speak through speech, not violence. And some in Antifa look not much different to the fash - they want a ruck, and that's a part of their identity. Fighting back against actual violence by fascists is fine, but otherwise I prefer non-violent resistance and the higher ground.

[biggytitbo]

You described it as a preconceived and useful narrative and dismissed his claims that he was left in no doubt about the motivations. You either have good reason to believe that Jones is deluded (hint: you don't) or you think he's a liar.

What is it based on though? Owen Jones could find a far right plot in a cloud formation so when he gets clobbered whilst everyone is staggering out of a pub at 3am he may have jumped to conclusions. I like Owen Jones but in fairness to him he's the kind of man a drunken twat might want to punch outside a pub without there been any coherent political motivation behind it.

[Zetetic]

Yes, he was asking for it, now you point it out.

I'm just glad his attackers, whether they were driven by a set of beliefs or merely manifesting the constant march of entropy, didn't do anything really horrible like expose him to a liquid or a bad cartoon.

[chveik]

Is getting pulled into that violence by starting it a useful tactic? Fascism speaks through violence because it's just an embodiment of and veneration of power and force. Socialism should speak through speech, not violence. And some in Antifa look not much different to the fash - they want a ruck, and that's a part of their identity. Fighting back against actual violence by fascists is fine, but otherwise I prefer non-violent resistance and the higher ground.

is all this really relevant to this thread? a men is attacked by fa and you start arguing with your compères about some hypothetical antifa violence.

[Funcrusher]

Yes, he was asking for it, now you point it out.

I'm just glad his attackers, whether they were driven by a set of beliefs or merely manifesting the constant march of entropy, didn't do anything really horrible like expose him to a liquid or a bad cartoon.

The poor mans Cuellar.

[Zetetic]

I think we know what kind of 'man' is asking for a 3am beating.

[Funcrusher]

is all this really relevant to this thread? a men is attacked by fa and you start arguing with your compères about some hypothetical antifa violence.

I'm answering Cuellar's post, ask him.

[Zetetic]

The poor mans Cuellar.

Do you think that these hurr durr one liners that you endlessly pump out on threads like this add anything of value?

[Funcrusher]

I think we know what kind of 'man' is asking for a 3am beating.

Fuck's sake. From CABs pedant to end all pedants, what the fuck - whatever you think of Biggy's take on this, nowhere has he said he was asking for it.

[biggytitbo]

Yes, he was asking for it, now you point it out.

So wild isn't it, drunken yobs see man off telly with punchable face and punch him. That could never happen.

[chveik]

I'm answering Cuellar's post, ask him.

his post was a response to biggy & sponk's tiresome derailing.

[jobotic]

What is it based on though? Owen Jones could find a far right plot in a cloud formation so when he gets clobbered whilst everyone is staggering out of a pub at 3am he may have jumped to conclusions. I like Owen Jones but in fairness to him he's the kind of man a drunken twat might want to punch outside a pub without there been any coherent political motivation behind it.

Oh look its one of these clever lines. Owen Jones is probably mentally ill anyway.

[Funcrusher]

Do you think that these hurr durr one liners that you endlessly pump out on threads like this add anything of value?

Just answering like for like. You usually provide better posts than that one.

[Old Nehamkin]

So wild isn't it, drunken yobs see man off telly with punchable face and punch him. That could never happen.

Sorry, what's specifically "punchable" about Owen Jones' face?

[Fambo Number Mive]

Obviously whoever did it it is a horrible thing to happen and unacceptable, but aren't they jumping to conclusions a bit that it's the 'far right'? What is that based on? A bunch of drunken twats at 3am spotted someone off the telly and had a pop at him, seems as likely an explanation without spinning off on some preconceived and useful narrative.

Do many people off the telly get attacked outside pubs at 3am?