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Max and Paddy's Road to Nowhere

Started by madhair60, August 21, 2019, 08:05:15 AM

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madhair60

Christ, it really is truly atrocious, isn't it? What in the world happened? Is Phoenix Nights this bad?

I can't get over how utterly terrible it's been so far, and I just finished episode 2 of six

DrGreggles

I don't think I ever watched the whole series.
Probably bailed after 2 or 3 episodes.

As much as PN2 has its faults, the difference in quality between that and M&PRTN is astonishing.

Petey Pate

Just visited the Wikipedia page and is this for real or did someone from CaB edit it?


NoSleep

Quote from: Petey Pate on August 21, 2019, 09:58:41 AM
Just visited the Wikipedia page and is this for real or did someone from CaB edit it?

It appears to be true: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMmTb86bgBU

It turns out that Paddy McGuinness isn't as good or funny a writer as Neil Fitzmaurice or Dave Spikey. Who could have seen that coming?

Chollis

He did come up with "no likey, no lighty" though.

He's truly the Peter Ustinov of the new millennium.

iamcoop

There's a Paddy McGuinness stand up show on YouTube I'd recommend watching. It's quite remarkable.

DrGreggles

Quote from: Petey Pate on August 21, 2019, 09:58:41 AM
Just visited the Wikipedia page and is this for real or did someone from CaB edit it?



I thought Richard & Judy did an episode too.

NoSleep


Tony Yeboah

Quote from: NoSleep on August 21, 2019, 12:12:58 PM
The Greggs of comedy.

Vegan Sausage Roll?! Vegan?! Sausage?! Roll?!

No Meaty, No Eaty.


Perplexicon

It's Max and Paddy
Paddy and Max!
* long pause in which galaxies die and form again *
But best of all we
don#t pay
council
tax.

* keyboard saxophone sound stolen from the intro of Sooty and Friends *

Reece Sheersmith thinking this was a good idea: DONT YOU MEAN QUEENS!! AHA
*Long shot of the Padster doing a dance with some ladies incase you thought he was gay. Oh no, siree. No mate. Look at all these fine pub women he is surrounded by.
Peter Kaye: Please lets put these rumours to bed with more expository dialogue about paddy mcguiness definitely NOT being gay

That's about all I remember from the original run.


Shit Good Nose

If memory serves it did have the same type of comedy billboards and radio interstitials that would later feature in Car Share.

bigfatheart

I can remember:

  • Paddy answering an advert for a bloke to star in porn, only for it to turn out to be gay porn with a load of big buff black men, because adverts looking for blokes to star in porn never, ever specify the sexual orientation of the bloke they're looking for. Afterwards, he hears Brown Girl in the Ring on the radio and turns it off.
  • A pub being called the Dutchie to set up a 'past the Dutchie on the left hand side' joke when someone's giving directions. Doesn't work as well when you have to have the character say 'The Dutchie pub' to make sure we're all aware that it's a pub they're talking about.
  • A bloke whose wife made him have a vasectomy singing The First Cut Is The Deepest angrily at karaoke.
  • The Phoenix Club getting raided in what was clearly an excuse to have lookalikes of Dave Spikey and Neil Fitzmaurice shitted up.
  • A Cliff Richard lookalike/soundalike in prison.
  • The realisation, as a naive teenager, that just because you liked somebody's previous work that didn't mean you'd like everything they did, and that sometimes they would nosedive into utter, utter shit.

Edit: and shit, I've just realised that it was Reece Shearsmith as the man who'd had the vasectomy. It just gets bleaker and bleaker.

checkoutgirl

Quote from: Chollis on August 21, 2019, 11:10:38 AM
He did come up with "no likey, no lighty" though.

Did he also come up with "Ding dang doo"? With that kind of talent it's easy to understand why Kay hitched his wagon to McGuinness and dumped Spikey and Fitzmaurice and refused acknowledge or ever work with them again.

Phoenix Nights is decent and worth a watch. It's not for everyone but I suspect people who don't like it mightn't have given it a fair chance or are a bit snobby about northern style comedy. It's certainly Kay's most sympathetic role. Having said that I haven't bothered watching it for at least a decade so can't comment on how it's held up.

That Peter Kay Thing is probably better again, more raw and with more characters to enjoy. As a rule of thumb the further back you go in Kay's career the better the output. Car Share is the exception. I never got more than a couple of minutes into Max and Paddy's before switching it off. It came out in 2004 which is the year before I discovered Youtube so it would have been on terrestrial telly. I have the feeling that I knew it wouldn't be any good so gave it short shrift. Also I have a natural and quite strong aversion to Paddy McGuinness so it had that against it from the start.

It befuddles me how anyone can stand McGuinness, he's the quintessential lucky hack who is way more successful than he deserves, and I haven't seen or heard anything that would dissuade me from thinking he's a proper arsehole in real life.

I've listened to the Peter Kay Thing DVD commentary (again, pre-internet so much more likely to listen to stuff like that) and the sheer contempt McGuiness has for the listener is palpable, it's almost a parody. I'm paraphrasing but if memory serves his attitude amounted to "What pathetic loser listens to DVD commentaries? Have you nothing better to do than listen to this? Yes you, I'm talking to you you sad bastard, where's my cheque cos I can barely be bothered with this". Stuff like that can work if you have the charm and sense of humour to finesse it and McGuinness definitely does not. Probably a big part of why Max and Paddy's doesn't work, well that and the crumby writing and awful premise.

McGuinness soon ended up at his level, leering at young women on a crappy dating show.

madhair60

And teaming up with Keith Lemon, lest we forget.

Shit Good Nose

Quote from: madhair60 on August 21, 2019, 03:14:17 PM
And teaming up with Keith Lemon, lest we forget.

I'll probably get a lot of stick for this, but I think he's genuinely quite good in some of that show.  I'm not saying the whole thing is brilliant (and the continuing thing of Keith Lemon being a real person is still really weird), but it has some nice moments which, I think, are genuinely funny, keenly observed and show a lot of reverence for the material.  Plus he (Paddy) is never worried about looking the tit.

checkoutgirl

Quote from: iamcoop on August 21, 2019, 11:42:10 AM
There's a Paddy McGuinness stand up show on YouTube I'd recommend watching. It's quite remarkable.

I've only watched that Youtube clip where he trots out that old joke with the punchline "always keep your condoms in your car". I can only assume the rest of his set is joke book material and stuff he copied from a Stan Boardman video. I try not to be snobby about audiences but whoever attended that gig and was entertained...I dunno.

checkoutgirl

Quote from: Shit Good Nose on August 21, 2019, 03:20:35 PM
I'll probably get a lot of stick for this, but I think he's genuinely quite good in some of that show.  I'm not saying the whole thing is brilliant (and the continuing thing of Keith Lemon being a real person is still really weird), but it has some nice moments which, I think, are genuinely funny, keenly observed and show a lot of reverence for the material.  Plus he (Paddy) is never worried about looking the tit.

I only watched Keith Lemon once about 7 years ago and it was surprisingly better than I thought. And this is with the extra talent drag of having Jedward on this particular episode. He actually found a slightly amusing use for Jedward, no mean feat.

madhair60

Long-running madhair fans will know that I have an enduring respect for Leigh Francis though that does not extend to me watching his current output.

Petey Pate

Quote from: checkoutgirl on August 21, 2019, 03:08:09 PM
Did he also come up with "Ding dang doo"?

Peter Kay seemed to really want the catchphrases in the series to become iconic (after all, this was the era of Little Britain and Catherine Tate). Other gems were 'how dare you?' and 'Thatcher's Britain'. I may be forgetting others.

Tony Yeboah

Ding dang doo was a lift from Bolton Wanderers football commentator Dave 'Ding Dong Do' Higson.

RicoMNKN

Quote from: Petey Pate on August 21, 2019, 03:43:32 PM
Peter Kay seemed to really want the catchphrases in the series to become iconic (after all, this was the era of Little Britain and Catherine Tate). Other gems were 'how dare you?' and 'Thatcher's Britain'. I may be forgetting others.

I seem to remember he was flogging merch based on them before the show even came out.
https://web.archive.org/web/20041124014125/https://www.peterkay.co.uk/
edit: looking at the dates, he launched the t-shirts the same day as episode 1.


the

Quote from: RicoMNKN on August 21, 2019, 04:30:19 PMI seem to remember he was flogging merch based on them before the show even came out.
https://web.archive.org/web/20041124014125/https://www.peterkay.co.uk/
edit: looking at the dates, he launched the t-shirts the same day as episode 1.

They were available before the series started - the trials of peterkay.co.uk were covered in this thread:

Quote from: the on December 19, 2017, 03:39:09 PMIn fact, archive.org shows that that the first set of RTN t-shirts went on sale in early September 2004 - over two months before the show was broadcast.

Cuellar

Wasn't 'Tatcher's Britain' a Young Ones thing? Or was it Bottom?

I'm sure I have a memory of Rik Mayall saying it...

Icehaven

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Quote from: bigfatheart on August 21, 2019, 02:37:40 PM
I can remember:
Paddy answering an advert for a bloke to star in porn, only for it to turn out to be gay porn with a load of big buff black men, because adverts looking for blokes to star in porn never, ever specify the sexual orientation of the bloke they're looking for. Afterwards, he hears Brown Girl in the Ring on the radio and turns it off.

This bit started with a long-ish Midnight Cowboy reference too, and whoever's idea that was shall surely burn for all eternity.

All I remember/ever saw of the whole series was that bit and something about Max once having had a girlfriend who was a dwarf but she'd dumped him after secretly overhearing him joking about her size with some other blokes, but really he was uncomfortable with the jokes and she'd walked off just before he snapped and punched one of them. It was all very crap anyway.

idunnosomename

Quote from: the on August 21, 2019, 04:39:08 PM
They were available before the series started - the trials of peterkay.co.uk were covered in this thread:
eeh, d'ya remember web 1.0? Image maps! Macromedia Flash! Tiny little Quicktime videos that took forever t' download!

imitationleather

I remember reading in me Nan's copy of The Sun a bit after it had aired that they'd done a poll and voted it the funniest sitcom ever. So all you're doing here is fruitlessly disagreeing with the will of the people.

JamesTC

Can't wait until we get out of Europe and finally get a second series.