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Cricket 2019 part II: arise King Jofra

Started by sevendaughters, August 22, 2019, 12:30:16 PM

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poo


Once again, it's all on Root. Worst batting performance of the innings on when they needed to just stay in for the draw. He didn't even burn up a few deliveries. In and out like a life over burns victim at speed dating

sevendaughters

Overton's Cowan up. Near 3hrs of blocking. Still, drop him for ineffectual bowling.

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Anyone but Broad. Well, anyone except Root, Roy, Bairstow or Buttler....

If only wraith Jr had batted like the fucking captain of his country at cricket when they most needed absolutely anything from him instead of rushing back to the dressing room to get on the dark web.


imitationleather


sevendaughters

Dammit. You tried your best and it was nowhere near enough.

iamcoop

Thank god that's over.

Root relinquish captaincy NOW



BlodwynPig

Evening lads. My preddos were wrong. Sympathies


Moonshine

Jeffrey Epstein, Jimmy Saville, Paul Gadd your boys took a hell of a beating!

sevendaughters

on merit it should be 2-2 (we were winning the second test. you could argue 3-1 as we were dogshit in the third test but we won it) but there is no way to argue anything other than we are a worse team. the whole "our middle order is far better" thing has proven to be the stupidest advance prediction since Pele said Colombia would win the 1994 World Cup and they got knocked out in the group and their centre back shot dead in the street.

poo

England were shit but it was fun for a while. Who's following Wales in the RWC? See you in that thread for more sporting despair.

Thursday

All in all we didn't make a terrible go of it today. If Root had lasted even a few overs into today it could have been different. Stokes fucked it, but he gets a pass and he shouldn't have had to come on before luch. But King Nonce had other ideas.

Cuellar

Quote from: poo on September 08, 2019, 06:31:33 PM
England were shit but it was fun for a while. Who's following Wales in the RWC? See you in that thread for more sporting despair.

Yeah not looking forward to it after that display against Ireland.

Might beat Uruguay in their group.

Mad thing is if you take Smith out we'd be seeing Garry and chums starring in a remake of Philadelphia

Inspector Norse

Poor selection, poor coaching, poor tactics, poor captaincy, poor batting. Fighting for one day of a test isn't enough and Australia deserve the win. Their quick bowlers, Smith and Labyschagne do at least. For England, only Burns, Stokes, Broad and Archer performed at anything like test match level.

Two really bad series in a row from England and little sign that the necessary changes will be made.

But hey, the HUNDRED, right?

sevendaughters

maybe a little early to think about such things but in my cricket chat group on FB i named a sixteen man squad for the NZ/SA tours. i threw pragmatics out of the window and just went purely with my own dumb heart.

BATSMEN
Rory Burns, Dom Sibley, Olly Pope, Eoin Morgan (c), Sam Northeast, Hassan Azad, Ben Foakes (wk), Joe Root (SA only)

ALL ROUNDERS
Ben Stokes, Moeen Ali, Chris Woakes, Sam Curran

BOWLERS
Jofra Archer, Stuart Broad, Jamie Porter, Toby Roland-Jones, Jack Leach

rationales
- Root to be dropped as captain post-haste and rested for New Zealand to mend his brain.
- Morgan is a better leader and cannot possibly do worse captaining and batting at #7 than Buttler has.
- assuming he does not pick up the phone (apparently he is not a cert. to stay in the ODI role because of his back) then give the temporary captaincy to Stokes for NZ ("his home tour, yuk yuk").
- major rebuilding in the batting here. it's a new era test team and the old ones weren't just bad in one series. they were fully deficient in the head and wanting technically. you think Boult wouldn't be chortling his chops to see Jason Roy stroll out against him, red ball in hand? would be suicide.
- I have assumed Anderson steps down. He's 37. We could keep him, we're good bowlers and there seems to be a production line (or: a never-ending vista of bad batsmen to face) but I think maybe now is the time to commit to a title push at Lancs.
- TRJ comes back having never done bad enough to be dropped.
- Porter is a horses-for-courses selection, the Overton choice to do the donkey work to give Archer the best chance of hitting top gun speed.
- Azad is a Div 2 gun but he's had an unusual road to the game and I think it shows a resilience that the public school->19s tour->Lions tour haven't. Good average too.

I don't think Bairstow, Denly, Overton J, Overton C, Curran T, Gregory, Hain, Bess, Parkinson, or Tom Bailey should be considered scrapheap or never-wills, but they just have to pump out some serious performances and they could get in next summer.

Inspector Norse

That looks eminently sensible*. Some thoughts:

Smart as Morgan is, his injury issues mean he might not even be available for the one-dayers let alone a test return, so give someone with county experience like Burns or Northeast the captaincy and make Stokes-Broad vice-captains for their experience and fire, and call up whoever out of Hain or Clarke is doing best with the bat at the latter end of the season. Or Bairstow but only as a batsman, and he's only in if he shows that he's making progress on his issue with straight fast bowling.

Azad is perhaps too raw: he's 25 but he's only played about three games. He might get nothing the rest of the season.

It's time, I think, to move on from Moeen. Bess is doing OK as a spinning all-rounder so he can go as backup to Leach.

Porter and Toblerone might be nice picks for swingy-seamy NZ, but someone quicker is needed for SA so hope Stone or even Wood is fit again then. Or work with Coad to add a few mph to his pace.

A couple of other things: tell the new guys that this is very much a transitional period, and that what they need to show is that they have the attitude, the technique, the brain for test cricket. Give them time to bed in but be firm and decisive too if it's clear someone isn't up to the task. We could all see a month ago Roy wasn't going to make it, for example; there was no need to stick with him so long.

Completely with you on Root. The guy obviously has all the ability, but his head hasn't been right for a good couple of years. Leave him out of the one-day side as well, there's Alex Hales waiting on the sidelines there and Root needs to get his red-ball game back on track.

And most importantly: fix the county game. Enough knobbing around with fads. Make sure England have a good mix of players of different types coming through. Give them plenty of red-ball cricket outside the test arena, or make them specialists.

It won't happen, though, will it? We'll go to NZ with the same bunch who lost here.

*so totally against standard practice with the England set-up

king_tubby

Hales isn't getting back in the one day squad though is he? Good as he is, the rest of them think he's a cunt, and he's probably one piss test away from a big ban.

Inspector Norse

Quote from: king_tubby on September 08, 2019, 08:52:34 PM
Hales isn't getting back in the one day squad though is he? Good as he is, the rest of them think he's a cunt, and he's probably one piss test away from a big ban.

Oh well in that case fuck it, Jason Roy and Shahid Afridi to open for England in the next test series

rjd2

Morgan was never a good test player and he doesn't seem bothered about it recently. The last thing England need is another dasher ODI type player in the middle order.

Nonetheless majority of the other ideas suggested I can get behind.

Captain wise, give it to Stokes. I don't know if tactically he is shrewd but heh nor is Kohli and he leads by example.

12 months time if it ends in tears Burns would the obvious choice, its to early for him now though.

sevendaughters

#1374
my thought process for Morgan was simply that he's a very good captain and a good leader and people respect the hell out of him. he fronted the Hales decision and it didn't once figure in the World Cup. no regrets. compare/contrast previous high-profile droppings and frictions. he doesn't seem overly-encumbered by responsibility and generally makes the right decision at the right time. If he never improved his average and went in at #7, in today's cricket that would be fine. clearly this is fanciful thinking as he is gravitating toward being a T20 guy.

ArtParrott

Quote from: Inspector Norse on September 08, 2019, 08:27:22 PM
give someone with county experience like Burns or Northeast the captaincy

Thats fucking mental.

Not a fan of Root as a captain but he's basically had his hands tied from the beginning. He inherited a bunch of these batting problems from the Cook era along with a head coach who isn't interested in test cricket, the whole system being geared towards winning the World Cup and selectors (Ed Smith) showing themselves not to be up to the job.

I'm not arguing that there's not a huge rebuilding job to do, but for me, I don't see how they can burn Root as a captain while moving forward as a team.

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Captaining England at Test cricket is clearly a poisoned chalice and whoever it falls to sees their game turn to complete shit a few months later so why would we give it to Stokes, one of our few genuinely brilliant players? Give it Denly or someone. If it does drag their game down, who would even notice, and whoever we gave it to would clearly be better at it than Root.

Personally I'd leave Stokes free to just be Stokes for now. A few years down the line then maybe.

EDITed for unending autocorrect issues

sevendaughters

Root's average has plummeted with the captaincy, it's not just a normal drop. He's about to go full Mourinho at Man Utd.

Inspector Norse

STAT ATTACK

He has made as many ducks in the first four tests of this series as he did in his entire pre-captaincy career.

Norton Canes

Fuck it I say we bring the World Cup trophy to The Oval and hand it round the crowd at lunch