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Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
« Reply #60 on: August 28, 2019, 11:46:41 AM »
Isn't a problem that they (and others) when faced with the possibility that doing "anything" to prevent this might put Corbyn in #10 for even five minutes, they'll do fuck all instead?

Thing is, a VONC isn't really the best way to take no deal off the table.

https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1166647168368660481

""If MPs pass a no confidence vote next week then we won’t resign. We won’t recommend another government, we’ll dissolve parliament, call an election between November 1-5 and there’ll be zero chance of Grieve legislation,” says senior official."

Amended legislation is the absolute best way to stop it. The Cooper-Letwin bill was formulated and passed into law in mere days, for instance.

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Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
« Reply #61 on: August 28, 2019, 11:47:32 AM »
yes

It isn’t a stupid idea because if the Queen suddenly has loads of mail to open she may never get to Boris Johnson’s letter.

Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
« Reply #62 on: August 28, 2019, 11:47:43 AM »
Why?

In part because the queen effectively has no say in it and will take the advice of her ministers in order to remain apolitical, but also because it is fucking stupid

Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
« Reply #63 on: August 28, 2019, 11:52:36 AM »
Why?

Cos she couldn't care less and for the amount of energy expended on it we cold actually engage in more serious action, not something which could be dismissed as a bunch of bleating losers and which Johnsonites could easily respond to with a similar campaign of their own.

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Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
« Reply #64 on: August 28, 2019, 11:59:05 AM »
I don't think it would make a blind bit of difference, but I don't think it's a particularly stupid idea in and of itself. It's better than doing nothing.

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Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
« Reply #66 on: August 28, 2019, 12:01:38 PM »
I don't think it would make a blind bit of difference, but I don't think it's a particularly stupid idea in and of itself. It's better than doing nothing.

It’s roughly equivalent to doing nothing with the added indignity that you’re begging the fucking queen to save you from privilege-soaked members of her own family.

Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
« Reply #67 on: August 28, 2019, 12:04:31 PM »
Have to admit that I don't understand what's going on

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Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
« Reply #68 on: August 28, 2019, 12:12:41 PM »
Emma Kennedy's being an arsehole again.

It’s roughly equivalent to doing nothing with the added indignity that you’re begging the fucking queen to save you from privilege-soaked members of her own family.

Well, yes and no.  I think, if it were possible, putting the monarch publicly into the position that she was siding politically with Johnson against huge (and it would need to be really huge) numbers of her loyal subjects.  That would be no bad thing.

It would draw a simple and clear picture, even for our grannies, on just how this new sovereignty and democracy works.

I don't say it's the answer but I do agree with pigamus, for people who otherwise will do nothing, it's something.  And I say that as a person who thinks Emma Kennedy is a giant anus.  Obvs, that goes for herM and Johnson too.

Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
« Reply #69 on: August 28, 2019, 12:16:18 PM »
Queen's to busy protecting her rapist son to do anything else atm. Anyone thinking otherwise is deluded.

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Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
« Reply #70 on: August 28, 2019, 12:17:16 PM »
Yes, I had noticed how happily these two events had coincided.

It's her favourite son and all.

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Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
« Reply #71 on: August 28, 2019, 12:17:54 PM »
Amended legislation is the absolute best way to stop it. The Cooper-Letwin bill was formulated and passed into law in mere days, for instance.

The Cooper-Letwin bill didn't actually do anything (not least because May had already decided to ask for an extension) because all MP's could do was mandate May asked for an extension, it couldn't force her to accept one. That negotiation is between the prime minister and the EU, parliament plays no role in it and it'll be the same case with Johnson.

If MPs want to stop 'no deal' they need to stop being so abjectly shit and either vote for a deal or vote to revoke.

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Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
« Reply #72 on: August 28, 2019, 12:20:04 PM »
Queen's to busy protecting her rapist son to do anything else atm. Anyone thinking otherwise is deluded.

So she could do with a distraction?

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Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
« Reply #73 on: August 28, 2019, 12:20:15 PM »
My only contribution to this thread:

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Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
« Reply #74 on: August 28, 2019, 12:22:07 PM »
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Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
« Reply #75 on: August 28, 2019, 12:26:56 PM »
Worth writing to our MPs about this? I imagine most Labour, Green, Independent and Lib Dem MPs are opposed anyway, but still.


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Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
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Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
« Reply #77 on: August 28, 2019, 12:31:12 PM »
B) It's not a 'coup', it's normal constitutional procedure for a Queen's speech.

Not to take over a month for it, it fucking isn't. A week is normal, two at a pinch. Over a month is pretty much unprecedented.

Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
« Reply #78 on: August 28, 2019, 12:32:58 PM »
The Cooper-Letwin bill didn't actually do anything (not least because May had already decided to ask for an extension) because all MP's could do was mandate May asked for an extension, it couldn't force her to accept one. That negotiation is between the prime minister and the EU, parliament plays no role in it and it'll be the same case with Johnson.

If MPs want to stop 'no deal' they need to stop being so abjectly shit and either vote for a deal or vote to revoke.

Rubbish. May decided to do that in the knowledge that she was going to lose the vote. I doubt very much that Johnson will attempt to ignore a bill that is passed. What they can do is ensure that if no deal is reached parliament get a say in what happens. They will undoubtedly choose election/extension.

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Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
« Reply #79 on: August 28, 2019, 12:36:52 PM »
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We have filed a motion asking the Court of Session to suspend the Prime Minister's request that Parliament be suspended.

https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1166658605182902272

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Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
« Reply #80 on: August 28, 2019, 12:37:24 PM »
Not to take over a month for it, it fucking isn't. A week is normal, two at a pinch. Over a month is pretty much unprecedented.

Exactly

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No period of prorogation has lasted longer than 20 or so days in modern times i.e. since 1979 at least. It is normally at most a week and only sometimes a fortnight or more.

https://twitter.com/woodstockjag/status/1166631979732914178

Commons Library Clerk tweeting there.

Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
« Reply #81 on: August 28, 2019, 12:38:16 PM »
The starkness of the polarisation is pretty terrifying. I'm not naive enough to think the country was united before Brexit, but just browsing Twitter everyone seems dead certain the other side is fascist or criminal. No matter what happens there will be many angry people who feel fucked over. I'm amazed that there haven't been any Brexit related murders since Jo Cox

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Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
« Reply #82 on: August 28, 2019, 12:42:08 PM »
I'm up for a civil war but tbh just FYI Remainers are gonna get gassed bad time

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Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
« Reply #83 on: August 28, 2019, 12:42:54 PM »
I'm up for a civil war but tbh just FYI Remainers are gonna get gassed bad time

No way. We'll have support from the EU Army.

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Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
« Reply #84 on: August 28, 2019, 12:45:03 PM »
Whether we stay or go the United Kingdom is finished now. It'll only be a matter of a few years before it starts to break up.

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Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
« Reply #85 on: August 28, 2019, 12:46:38 PM »
Fuckin' hell Cameron

What an absolute mess.

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Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
« Reply #86 on: August 28, 2019, 12:47:32 PM »
That's Cameron's legacy. Not Brexit, but the breakup of the UK.

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Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
« Reply #87 on: August 28, 2019, 12:48:34 PM »
Whether we stay or go the United Kingdom is finished now. It'll only be a matter of a few years before it starts to break up.

I think that's correct. 

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Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
« Reply #88 on: August 28, 2019, 12:50:16 PM »
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"We could see a Brexit coming without agreement. Here, it is moreover a Brexit without debate that looms. What disease does British democracy suffer from for fear of debate before making one of the most important decisions in its history?"

Nathalie Loiseau, a French member of the European Parliament and France's former Europe minister

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Re: Boris Johnson planning to prorogue parliament [split topic]
« Reply #89 on: August 28, 2019, 12:51:08 PM »

I really don't want to learn a new word today but thanks anyway