Author Topic: Jojo Rabbit, Nazi comedy by Taika Waititi  (Read 8968 times)

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Re: Jojo Rabbit, Nazi comedy by Taika Waititi
« Reply #90 on: January 15, 2020, 09:46:32 PM »
Yeah fair enough, I think he's an interesting bloke either way, and your version works too.
Also I watched this again with somebody and
when K is showing Jojo his uniform designs earlier in the movie, he describes his fun as a "gatling gun mounted with a radio which emits annoying music to disarm the enemy". You can see that's what he's using here (using a gramophone) media.discordapp.net/attachments/460856363577507840/667121223007993856/image1-1050x591.png
and I think the German Shepherd mixup was on purpose to waste time and so they didn't actually get dogs

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Re: Jojo Rabbit, Nazi comedy by Taika Waititi
« Reply #91 on: August 01, 2020, 09:00:17 PM »
Just saw this, and loved it. The last ten or twenty minutes were fantastic and two bits had me laughing for ages ('Fuck off Hitler' and final bit where they start swaying from side-to-side before pulling more complex shapes then Heroes ends the movie.)

Kid was amazing too.

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« Reply #92 on: August 01, 2020, 09:27:13 PM »
Really like the choice of Love's fireside singalong Everybody's Gotta Live.  It makes up for yet another airing of Heroes, even if I did think it was quite a nice little ending overall.  Apparently both the kids were fastidiously imitating Waititi's own moves just off-camera.

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Re: Jojo Rabbit, Nazi comedy by Taika Waititi
« Reply #93 on: August 02, 2020, 06:43:43 PM »
This is now one of my favorite films. Really sweet. Can't watch with my wife as she can't see children or animals harmed, parents harmed, hangings or flowers

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Re: Jojo Rabbit, Nazi comedy by Taika Waititi
« Reply #94 on: August 03, 2020, 11:15:15 AM »
This is now one of my favorite films. [/s]

Same here I think.

I keep reading people calling it a 'satire' - it's not satirical is it?

Re: Jojo Rabbit, Nazi comedy by Taika Waititi
« Reply #95 on: August 03, 2020, 02:44:51 PM »
No, it is a dark comedy. How can you be satirical about Nazis? Why would you be?

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Re: Jojo Rabbit, Nazi comedy by Taika Waititi
« Reply #96 on: August 03, 2020, 02:49:16 PM »
Of course you can. You satirise all the idiots who followed Hitler. Or rather the mass stupidity of society at that time (and now) and the political situation under which it was allowed to flourish.

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« Reply #97 on: August 03, 2020, 02:50:50 PM »
Of course you can. You satirise all the idiots who followed Hitler.

What would be the point of that though? We know they are idiots. Maybe the why is a bigger issue than the how

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« Reply #98 on: August 03, 2020, 02:54:42 PM »
I've just added a sentence to my answer which hopefully makes it more worthwhile.

And, sadly, there are still people out there who don't think the Nazis were idiots. Is the problem that only people who agree with the filmmaker are likely to see the film? That's possibly an issue.

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Re: Jojo Rabbit, Nazi comedy by Taika Waititi
« Reply #99 on: August 03, 2020, 02:56:44 PM »
Yeah, it's more about how young people can be radicalised by exploiting their limited experience of the world, and is applicable to more than just 1940s Germany.

Re: Jojo Rabbit, Nazi comedy by Taika Waititi
« Reply #100 on: August 03, 2020, 05:31:18 PM »
I still believe it's mediocre. Any attempt to be some kind of satire/denunciation of child radicalisation is undercut by the fact that the adult characters are so sketchily drawn. It attempts to do a "kids don't know what is going on" worldview by not bothering to make any of the characters rounded or psychologically believable, rather than trying to reveal other characters through the child's eyes. Such an approach will tend to make Nazism look arbitrary and accidental, and obscure who are the heroes and villains (other films like Grave of the Fireflies which take a similarly wide-eyed innocent approach to war focus more vaguely on a simple "war is hell" message which doesn't require psychological explanations). Lots of films offer much better accounts of radicalisation; lots of films do a much better job of presenting horrific things from an innocent child's point of view; and lots of films have better jokes about war.

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Re: Jojo Rabbit, Nazi comedy by Taika Waititi
« Reply #101 on: August 03, 2020, 11:42:29 PM »
No, it is a dark comedy. How can you be satirical about Nazis? Why would you be?
Have... have you seriously never seen The Producers?

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Re: Jojo Rabbit, Nazi comedy by Taika Waititi
« Reply #102 on: August 04, 2020, 06:59:38 AM »
Since asking if it's a satire I've seen a tweet and a clip where Taika refers to it as a satire.

Re: Jojo Rabbit, Nazi comedy by Taika Waititi
« Reply #103 on: August 04, 2020, 09:30:22 AM »
Have... have you seriously never seen The Producers?

That's not really a satire of Nazis is it. It is a comedy featuring Nazis

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« Reply #104 on: August 04, 2020, 10:34:55 AM »
That's not really a satire of Nazis is it.

To Be Or Not To Be and particularly The Great Dictator are, and both of them excel at their job.

Re: Jojo Rabbit, Nazi comedy by Taika Waititi
« Reply #105 on: August 04, 2020, 03:24:31 PM »
A satire is basically the same thing but with animals in it. I didn't see any pigs or ducks dressed in Nazi officer uniforms so it's not a satire as far as i'm concerned.

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Re: Jojo Rabbit, Nazi comedy by Taika Waititi
« Reply #106 on: August 04, 2020, 03:33:09 PM »
A satire is basically the same thing but with animals in it. I didn't see any pigs or ducks dressed in Nazi officer uniforms so it's not a satire as far as i'm concerned.

I know you're just being a bgmnts, but I wouldn't call Maus a satire.  It's Nazis but with animals in it, except it's so grimly realistic that I'm not seeing the satire there.

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Re: Jojo Rabbit, Nazi comedy by Taika Waititi
« Reply #107 on: August 04, 2020, 03:34:57 PM »
I was greatly relieved to find that this did not try to be satirical after having more than enough of Iannucci's blank bullets output.

Re: Jojo Rabbit, Nazi comedy by Taika Waititi
« Reply #108 on: August 04, 2020, 04:16:25 PM »
I know you're just being a bgmnts, but I wouldn't call Maus a satire.  It's Nazis but with animals in it, except it's so grimly realistic that I'm not seeing the satire there.

I find the idea of Nazi mice quite comical myself.* I suppose its just an allegory maybe? Whats the difference between allegory and satire? Just the comedy?



*I've not actually read Maus but definitely will get round to it someday.

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Re: Jojo Rabbit, Nazi comedy by Taika Waititi
« Reply #109 on: August 04, 2020, 05:05:50 PM »
Maus is not satire.

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« Reply #110 on: August 05, 2020, 02:13:14 AM »
That's not really a satire of Nazis is it. It is a comedy featuring Nazis
Yeah according to Mel Brooks the point of Springtime for Hitler was to make Hitler and the Nazis look foolish and in doing so rob them of their power.

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Re: Jojo Rabbit, Nazi comedy by Taika Waititi
« Reply #111 on: August 05, 2020, 02:53:39 AM »
I know you're just being a bgmnts, but I wouldn't call Maus a satire.  It's Nazis but with animals in it, except it's so grimly realistic that I'm not seeing the satire there.

I assumed he was talking about Animal Farm.

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« Reply #112 on: August 05, 2020, 03:25:10 AM »
I got that.  Just wanted to exhibit my extreme virility by pointing out an exception to the animal satire rule.

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Re: Jojo Rabbit, Nazi comedy by Taika Waititi
« Reply #113 on: August 05, 2020, 11:02:35 AM »
God I really want to read Maus. It's fascinating that Spiegelmann ends up acknowledging the breakdown of the animal metaphor within the text.

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