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TRUMP No. 9: A weird fucking bumble hex

Started by Pearly-Dewdrops Drops, September 11, 2019, 05:30:56 AM

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falafel

Twed are you arguing that this is deliberate or 'just' systemic?

I mean, I'm pretty convinced that most of the Democrats think that despite everything they are still the good ones. Just wondering how that squares with your arguments which make it sound like they are all just venal liars grabbing for cash.

Dewt

Systemic for the most part, until you get to the high-profile ones that drive the direction of the party. If you look at Clinton or Pelosi or Biden and don't see venal liars then you are too pure. I bet "most people have good intentions" holds true until you start hitting senate-level.

I get what the follow-up is, "surely then it is better to have Democrats in power because local politicians will do good things". Yes, that's true of local politics, which may as well be a different system entirely. I don't think it matters when big-league politics is making decisions that destroy quality of life for millions.

falafel

Well, I wasn't really going to suggest that per se - if you really believe the leadership is utterly broken then it follows that good intentions don't really matter.

I'm sort of more interested in what happens after Bernie or whoever, if there is indeed real change at the top. Maybe I have a dim view of humanity but shit has quite the predilection for floating.

Two American colleagues of mine hated Clinton so much they actively voted for Trump. I still can't get my head around that. A spoiled ballot I could just about comprehend but surely she isn't WORSE. That feels kind of psychotic.


Cerys


NoSleep


NoSleep

I think this is going to take some time; might be something by midnight.

NoSleep

Did that Republican just accuse the Democrats of being "the radical left"?

Dewt

Quote from: falafel on December 18, 2019, 03:48:10 PM
Well, I wasn't really going to suggest that per se - if you really believe the leadership is utterly broken then it follows that good intentions don't really matter.
Ah. Well, I do believe what I said, and it's difficult to balance "things being better at a smaller scale versus stopping the slide into global desolation".

Quote from: falafel on December 18, 2019, 03:48:10 PMI'm sort of more interested in what happens after Bernie or whoever, if there is indeed real change at the top. Maybe I have a dim view of humanity but shit has quite the predilection for floating.
Yeah. I just don't know. My gut feeling is that Democrats are going to form part of the blockage that was traditionally the Republican's role. Will Bernie have to go mad with executive orders and then get called a dictator? Am I a bad person for thinking it's fine for him to executive order society back into sanity?

Quote from: falafel on December 18, 2019, 03:48:10 PMTwo American colleagues of mine hated Clinton so much they actively voted for Trump. I still can't get my head around that. A spoiled ballot I could just about comprehend but surely she isn't WORSE. That feels kind of psychotic.
Me either. For all I despise her kind I did help get people to the polls to vote for her even though I couldn't vote myself at the time. It was such a punch to the gut when Trump won that I cried when Hillary conceded, but at no point did it feel like anything other than Trump being the Godzilla that her brand of politics (arguably directly) created.

Quote from: NoSleep on December 18, 2019, 05:32:13 PM
Did that Republican just accuse the Democrats of being "the radical left"?
They call Obama a socialist.

falafel

Can't executive orders be undone by the next president? Could that end up with a bonkers see-saw effect of presidents making and unmaking massive changes each of which is meant to 'fix' one of the previous changes in increasingly radical and damaging ways?

Head Gardener


Dewt

Quote from: falafel on December 18, 2019, 06:11:01 PM
Can't executive orders be undone by the next president? Could that end up with a bonkers see-saw effect of presidents making and unmaking massive changes each of which is meant to 'fix' one of the previous changes in increasingly radical and damaging ways?
I don't know TBH. I'm just hoping the Sanders get a shot at it and that it goes well, somehow. My feeling is that public desire to get some fucking breaks is going to help, but it's just a feeling.

Dewt

2019 was the year of "Peter Daou is making good points": https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/1207371708321153024

It all got too much even for Peter Verrit Daou

Barry Admin

Interesting read, thanks. What do you reckon then, incompetence at play, or something else?

Mobius


Barry Admin

Schiff up now tho with the remainder of the time, could be good.

Rich Uncle Skeleton

Love the name of republican Barry Loudermilk.
His opinion that trump is wrongly persecuted like Jesus, not so much.

Urinal Cake

We know this is about two things:
1. Telling Trump and Republicans not to 'cross the line' with establishment candidates
2. Appeasing a base of support who want Trump to pay for 'disgracing' the Presidency.

Some other good things might happen like getting a few moderates out or making Trump and his team more unhinged and do something so stupid the public eventually cares. 

brat-sampson

Republicans talk such utter bilgewater. They literally don't care for their own democracy one shred, and they have nothing whatsoever to actually say in his defense other than 'It was fine!' 'No, you!' 'The Dems are just mad Hilary didn't win!' etc.

And nothing anybody could say would change their attitude, because it's not what they even actually believe in the first place. This whole thing is a sham, but not in the way they say it is.

Barry Admin


Mobius

It's just staggering how fucking stupid and punchable half of these cunts are.

An tSaoi

"We're a republic, not a democracy".

Where do American get this rubbish? It's not the first time I've heard it.

An tSaoi

"Kansas is better. The US is better. The world is better. Because of President Trump".

I can't work out if they believe the nonsense they say or not. And which is worse? Knowing the truth and lying about it, or not recognising it in the first place.


Kryton

Quote from: An tSaoi on December 18, 2019, 11:18:46 PM
"Kansas is better. The US is better. The world is better. Because of President Trump".

I can't work out if they believe the nonsense they say or not. And which is worse? Knowing the truth and lying about it, or not recognising it in the first place.

I'm gonna go with many of them genuinely believing they're the 'good guys'.

An tSaoi

I think that's worse. I'd prefer a good old fashioned liar than these deluded twits.

It's interesting that you can tell straight away it a speaker is a Democrat or a Republican without reading the caption, just based on the tone of their voice, their accent, and their ability to string a sentence together.

Schiff is playing a blinder. He's just reserving his time, so all the Republicans end up saying the same thing one after another.

NoSleep

The Democrats are reserving a lot of time now. Somebody must have a long finishing piece coming up.

An tSaoi

Republicans can hardly read their own speeches. Constantly tripping over words.

Quid bro quo.

Liberal agen-ya.

Urinal Cake

Quote from: An tSaoi on December 18, 2019, 11:10:32 PM
"We're a republic, not a democracy".

Where do American get this rubbish? It's not the first time I've heard it.
From Benjamin Franklin

An tSaoi


idunnosomename

he woke up at 2am every morning to fly a kite in a thunderstorm as far as I understand