Brexit Thread 8 - Who Will Survive And What Will Be Left Of Them?

[Dr Rock]

continued from

https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,72495.2970.html


So... I still say There Will Be No Brexit. But we were discussing the Lib-Dems who are currently doing their best to make that less likely.

[Barry Admin]

Sorry locked this instead of stickying it and only noticed lol, apologies

[king_tubby]

A fitting metaphor for these turbulent times.

[pancreas]

Sorry locked this instead of stickying it and only noticed lol, apologies

You lied to the queen and then you prorogued the thread. You're the one that should be locked [up].

[Ian Drunken Smurf]

And yet the Conservatives still are ahead in the polls...

[Dr Rock]

No matter what happens they never dip below 30% in the polls. Maybe someone knows a point, maybe before Major vs Blair when they did, but there core base of cunts and stupid people is very loyal. The Tories could could elect a lying buffoon for a leader and have presided over a genocide of disableds and still not dip below 30%. Labour should be higher, ideally, but:

Polls at the beginning of the 2017 election campaign pointed towards an overwhelming Conservative victory. They were consistently hitting around 45% of the vote - sometimes even higher - with Labour down at around 25%. (Tories currently on about 32%).

In the end Tories got 36.9% of he vote share compared to Labour's 30.4%.

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

If No Deal is prevented then Boris will have failed and reneged on his first promise. Surely then the Tories will slide further. If he undertakes ever more drastic measures to seal No Deal then he risks the destruction of his party in Parliament which in turn makes it more difficult to then win a majority, even if polling continues as it has done.

For Labour, you'd hope things could only get better once the campaign begins, and it's crucial the agenda gets widened from just Brexit. They need to either come to an arrangement with the Lib Dems or if not, then totally triangulate them with a forceful pro-Remain message. The movements so far towards a People's Vote have been done well and despite this being a lose lose issue, Corbyn has largely kept the party together. If No Deal happens and goes very badly Labour have clear open ground to fight an election on domestic issues AND administerial competence.

[Dr Rock]

Not sure if the polls will have properly taken into account all them newly registered, mostly young voters either.

[Buelligan]

If No Deal is prevented then Boris will have failed and reneged on his first promise. Surely then the Tories will slide further. If he undertakes ever more drastic measures to seal No Deal then he risks the destruction of his party in Parliament which in turn makes it more difficult to then win a majority, even if polling continues as it has done.

For Labour, you'd hope things could only get better once the campaign begins, and it's crucial the agenda gets widened from just Brexit. They need to either come to an arrangement with the Lib Dems or if not, then totally triangulate them with a forceful pro-Remain message. The movements so far towards a People's Vote have been done well and despite this being a lose lose issue, Corbyn has largely kept the party together. If No Deal happens and goes very badly Labour have clear open ground to fight an election on domestic issues AND administerial competence.

The LDs are such complete and utter sell-out shits, would it not be possible to work with the Greens?  I know people say that they're not strong enough and are too single issue but what other issue is bigger right now?  And the Greens are pretty honest and Caroline Lucas is ace, I think Labour should work with the Greens, if it allies itself to anyone* and together they should shine a bright light on the mealy mouthed double-dealing of those so-called "Liberal Democrats", leave them behind and take Britain forward into a less shitty world.




*Room for some Plaid and SNP in there too.

[Alberon]

The Leavers seem to be swinging towards the Tories on the grounds that Brexit means Brexit no matter what twat is in charge and the Lib Dems are surging due to their clear stance on Remain.

At the moment Labour's ambivalent stance seems to be hurting it far more than it helps.

Of course, Labour really advanced in the last General Election campaign, but Johnson is far more of a showman and campaigner than May so that is far from being guaranteed to happen again.

[Dr Rock]

Is he a good campaigner?

[BlodwynPig]

Is he a good campaigner?

He's a showman, apparently. A Hulk. Anything you want him to be as long as he's not a Corbyn.

[Alberon]

Is he a good campaigner?

Sadly, he is. The only issue he's campaigning for is for him to be PM, admittedly. In any environment like the Commons he's utter dogshit, but in a rally of non-hostile people he can actually really whip a crowd up. A bit like his idol, Trump.

[Mrs Wogans lemon drizzle]

The Leavers seem to be swinging towards the Tories on the grounds that Brexit means Brexit no matter what twat is in charge and the Lib Dems are surging due to their clear stance on Remain.

At the moment Labour's ambivalent stance seems to be hurting it far more than it helps.

Of course, Labour really advanced in the last General Election campaign, but Johnson is far more of a showman and campaigner than May so that is far from being guaranteed to happen again.

Completely agree with this. 

I think we're heading for another hung parliament, with an alliance for remain (SNP, LD, GREEN, LAB) forming a coalition, hopefully keeping out the Torys and the Brexit party.

[imitationleather]

Sadly, he is. The only issue he's campaigning for is for him to be PM, admittedly. In any environment like the Commons he's utter dogshit, but in a rally of non-hostile people he can actually really whip a crowd up. A bit like his idol, Trump.

When has he been in front of big crowds like that? I can't think of any examples myself.

[Paul Calf]

Completely agree with this. 

I think we're heading for another hung parliament, with an alliance for remain (SNP, LD, GREEN, LAB) forming a coalition, hopefully keeping out the Torys and the Brexit party.

A coalition so paralysed by its fundamental to incompatibilities that it'll quickly descend into an ineffectual mess and lose the support of the country.

Brilliant. Congratulations. You've got what you wanted.

[Dr Rock]

When has he been in front of big crowds like that? I can't think of any examples myself.

Agreed? When has he whipped up hostile crowds? I reckon he's going to do a shit job campaigning for the GE, apart from to Tories. Possibly not worse than May, but then again maybe worse. Look at that crap speech he did in front of the police the other week. Also depends on whether he's already ballsed up Brexit.

[Paul Calf]

He won't have any hostile crowds. They'll be carefully managed and controlled.

[Alberon]

That's my point. In front of informed crowds he's fucked, but in front of the average rally he'll get on well. He'll do much better than May who seemed to actively loathe every public aspect of being PM.

[pancreas]

It's a good point made above. In 1997 Cons got 30.7%.

[Mrs Wogans lemon drizzle]

A coalition so paralysed by its fundamental to incompatibilities that it'll quickly descend into an ineffectual mess and lose the support of the country.

Sounds familiar. 

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/15/boris-johnson-when-in-doubt-erect-another-bridge

Lee going positively CaB like here

Later that day, on my Campbeltown hotel television, I saw Boris Piccaninny Watermelon Letterbox Cake Bumboys Vampires Haircut Wall-Spaffer Spunk-Burster Fuck-Business Fuck-the-Families Get-Off-My-Fucking-Laptop Girly-Swot Big-Girl's-Blouse Chicken-frit Turds Johnson declare his intention to build a bridge between Scotland and Northern Ireland, something, he quickly pointed out "that Jeremy Corbyn would be too chicken-frit to do!"

Turds has form here. In my newly published study of Brexit, March of the Lemmings, I detail Turds' previous declaration of bridge-building intent. On 18 January 2018, as the EU's transition deal stance hardened, and a discredited Turds doubled down on his disputed £350m NHS dividend lie, the then foreign secretary promised a 22-mile motorway crossing from England to France, an obvious dead cat distraction from the gathering Brexit storm.

Turds

Lee has created the next Maybot

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

It is as if Turds has a strange bridge-based Tourette syndrome. Whenever he finds himself under pressure, Turds' default setting seems to be to announce, in a mad panic, that he will build some kind of bridge. And by the time of his Tuesday bridge announcement, Turds has been sorely stressed.

[Dr Rock]

He won't have any hostile crowds. They'll be carefully managed and controlled.

The Tory plan is to target Labour constituencies that voted Leave, that's why he was up in Doncaster last week. And not coming off well against a hostile local

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTi-f1vycLQ&t=11s

He had to have a heckler removed in Rochdale too.

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

Brexit or not, there are still many folk around there that wouldn't vote Tory if you had them beaten up and raped.

The last generation, or at least sons and daughters of the politically literate working class.

[jobotic]

Even if he performs badly the press here that both control and are controlled by him will present it as a victory.

He lied directly when he said he didn't say spaff up the wall. He did say it, there's evidence. But who fucking cares? Who will tell you that? The BBC?

[Mrs Wogans lemon drizzle]

Brexit or not, there are still many folk around there that wouldn't vote Tory if you had them beaten up and raped.

The last generation, or at least sons and daughters of the politically literate working class.

True, but some of them may vote for the Brexit party though.

[Zetetic]

Brexit or not, there are still many folk around there that wouldn't vote Tory if you had them beaten up and raped.

So long as they don't vote Labour, I can't imagine that the Tory party gives a shit.

[Dr Rock]

Pretty sure they are worried about them voting Brexit Party.

[Replies From View]

Brexit or not, there are still many folk around there that wouldn't vote Tory if you had them beaten up and raped.

Strange; that's normally such a persuasive gesture.