CaB's Favourite Films of the 21st Century - Voting

[greenman]

Following up from that Guardian lost thread there seemed to be some interest in coming up with a similar(but naturally far superior) CaB list sometime before the end of the year based on peoples favourite lists. In terms of how to calculate positions opinion seemed divided between just offering top 10-20's for one point each and longer progressive rankings so I felt a decent middle ground would be a top 30 with the top 10 having 3 points, 11-20 having 2 points and 21-30 1 point.

Voting List - Your Name

1-10 - 3 points

10 films listed here

11-20 - 2 points

10 films listed here

21-30 - 1 point

10 films listed here

Use the red font for your final lists to avoid any confusion.

I'd guess being fairly liberal in terms of release dates would be best, so films that were say doing the festival circuit in late 1999 but didn't get a proper release until 2000 would be fine to include.

No need to be in too much of a rush to put up a final list either as I was thinking I'd leave it at least until the end of October before closing voting so discussion here before then would be fine. Also would the list is complete I'm wondering if people would like to adapt making a threat with write-ups for each film? I could give an un ordered list of the top 50 or 100(whichever we want) and people could pick out a few films each to do short write-ups on?

[mothman]

I'm confused, how many films do we list?

[Pearly-Dewdrops Drops]

I'd guess being fairly liberal in terms of release dates would be best, so films that were say doing the festival circuit in late 1999 but didn't get a proper release until 2000 would be fine to include.

Should there be an arbitrary but uniform rule (like going off the listed IMDB date, so only films listed as 2000-2019)? Otherwise there are may be a few big choices that get unfairly ranked because only half the voters think they are eligible.

[greenman]

I'm confused, how many films do we list?

30 films in three groups of 10, the first lot you favour most getting 3 points), the second lot 2 points and the third lot 1 point. I suspect if we just went with lists with all 1 point each when I(or someone else if they want to) total things up you'd end up with a hell of a lot of films on equal points.

[greenman]

Should there be an arbitrary but uniform rule (like going off the listed IMDB date, so only films listed as 2000-2019)? Otherwise there are may be a few big choices that get unfairly ranked because only half the voters think they are eligible.

Even IMDB doesn't seem fool proof there though as you have one date next to the film and another for its release quite often, which of those would it be?

The most obvious film in question I spose would be Magnolia which premiered in the states in late 99 but only got a wide release anywhere in 2000.

[Monsieur Verdoux]

Voting List - Monsieur Verdoux

1-10 - 3 points

1. Twin Peaks: The Return
2. This Is Not a Film
3. The Master
4. The Aviator
5. Mulholland Dr.
6. The Tree of Life
7. Nos années folles
8. Film socialisme
9. The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
10. Le Havre

11-20 - 2 points

11. Gradiva (C'est Gradiva qui vous appelle)
12. Synecdoche, New York
13. L'atelier
14. Under the Skin
15. Auto Focus
16. I'm Not There
17. Blade Runner 2049
18. Inland Empire
19. Tim and Eric's Billion Dollar Movie
20. Dreams of a Life

21-30 - 1 point

21. Hostiles
22. Welcome to New York
23. Before the Devil Knows You're Dead
24. The Dreamers
25. L'illusionniste
26. The Canyons
27. Funny People
28. Gran Torino
29. A Prairie Home Companion
30. Tyrannosaur

[chveik]

26. The Canyons

seriously? I thought you were one of the good guys :((

[Monsieur Verdoux]

It seemed laughable at the time, but Schrader's austere subversion of Bret Easton Ellis's trashy script now stands alongside Bresson's 'L'argent' for me as one of the most troubling films about a deadened, godless and chaotic world in which people hurt each other out of sheer boredom. It makes more sense to me now than it did in 2013

Edit to add: the best review of The Canyons http://www.reverseshot.org/reviews/entry/1117/canyons


and no, I haven't seen 'First Reformed' yet

[BlodwynPig]

Bergerac

[chveik]

Voting List - chveik

1-10 - 3 points

Code inconnu
Hard to Be A God
The Assassin
The Duke of Burgundy
Your Name.
Curse of the Golden Flower
Tropical Malady
Adieu
Melancholia
Kairo

11-20 - 2 points

Dogtooth
The Act of Killing
Zodiac
Embrace of the Serpent
Mary & Max
Werckmeister Harmonies
The Last Time I Saw Macao
On Body and Soul
Distance
Children of Men

21-30 - 1 point

The Master
Somewhere
Take Shelter
Notre musique
Love Exposure
Exiled
A Field in England
Yourself and Yours
La vie au ranch
Paprika

[Monsieur Verdoux]

The fact that I've seen hardly any of those should put my list into perspective a bit. My knowledge of the last two decades of film is really rather spotty

[chveik]

The fact that I've seen hardly any of those should put my list into perspective a bit. My knowledge of the last two decades of film is really rather spotty

I dunno, I don't watch that much recent films neither. I guess we aren't looking for the same things.

[BlodwynPig]

The fact that I've seen hardly any of those should put my list into perspective a bit. My knowledge of the last two decades of film is really rather spotty

My list is a mix of yours and Chveik's

Plus Bergerac

[maett]

Voting List - Maett (according to my IMDb ratings)

1-10 - 3 points

The Grand Budapest Hotel
Battle Royale
The Descent
Your Name
Django Unchained
Citizen Dog
No Country for Old Men
The Darjeeling Limited
In Bruges
Mother (the Joon Jo Bong one)





11-20 - 2 points

The Nice Guys
Get Out
The Lobster
The Handmaiden
Inside Out
The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo
Sorry to Bother You
Anonymous
Take Care of My Cat
Mississippi Grind



21-30 - 1 point

The Borderlands
Philomena
Four Lions
Safety Not Guaranteed
Interstellar
Hunt for the Wilderpeople
Avengers: Infinity War
Mad Max: Fury Road
Okja
Thirst (2009)

[Pearly-Dewdrops Drops]

Doing one of these extended rankings for the first time, I realize that it is quite literally impossible to "rank" 30 films in any meaningful way.

Voting List

1 - In the Mood for Love (Wong Kar-wai, 2000)
2 - Mulholland Drive (David Lynch, 2001)
3 - Birth (Jonathan Glazer, 2004)
4 - Amelie (Jean-Pierre Jeunet, 2001)
5 - Under the Skin (Jonathan Glazer, 2013)
6 - O Brother, Where Art Thou? (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2000)
7 - Yi Yi (Edward Yang, 2000)
8 - The Headless Woman (Lucrecia Martel, 2008)
9 - 2046 (Wong Kar-wai, 2004)
10 - Under the Silver Lake (David Robert Mitchell, 2018)

11 - The Florida Project (Sean Baker, 2017)
12 - Carol (Todd Haynes, 2015)
13 - The Lives of Others (Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck, 2006)
14 - Mr. Turner (Mike Leigh, 2014)
15 - Burning (Lee Chang-dong, 2019)
16 - Adaptation. (Spike Jonze, 2002)
17 - Best in Show (Christopher Guest, 2000)
18 - Moonlight (Barry Jenkins, 2016)
19 - Inland Empire (David Lynch, 2006)
20 - To the Wonder (Terrence Malick, 2012)

21 - The Royal Tenenbaums (Wes Anderson, 2001)
22 - Zodiac (David Fincher, 2007)
23 - Millenium Mambo (Hou Hsiao-hsien, 2001)
24 - Sorry to Bother You (Boots Riley, 2018)
25 - Punch-Drunk Love (Paul Thomas Anderson, 2002)
26 - The Grandmaster (Wong Kar-wai, 2013)
27 - Tangerine (Sean Baker, 2015)
28 - The Lobster (Yorgos Lanthimos, 2015)
29 - Inside Llewyn Davis (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2013)
30 - The Room (Tommy Wiseau, 2003)

[greenman]

Voting List - Greenman

1-10

Hard To Be A God
Yi Yi
Mulholland Drive
Uzak
Mad Max: Fury Road
Under The Skin
Millennium Actress
Blue is the Warmest Colour
The Master
Birth

11-20

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
The Lobster
13 Assassins
In Bruges
Two Days, One Night
No Country For Old Men
Inherent Vice
Moon
Calvary
Werckmeister Harmonies

21-30

Synecdoche, New York
Ida
In The Mood For Love
Zodiac
Spider
Embrace of the Serpent
Zatoichi
Fellowship of the Ring
Martha Marcy May Marlene
Her

[sevendaughters]

name - sevendaughters (not red fonted as yet, will amend here)

1-10
The Act of Killing
The Artist
The Class
Dead Man's Shoes
Grizzly Man
Hard to be a God
O Brother, Where Art Thou?
The Son
Werckmeister Harmonies
West of the Tracks

11-20
3 Iron
American Animals
At Berkeley
A Turin Horse
Cane Toads: The Conquest
The Incredibles
The Look of Silence
Moolaade
There Will Be Blood
The Wind Rises

21-30
The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
Before Sunset
Catfish
Dig!
Moonlight
Police Beat
Surviving Life
Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy
Victoria
Workingman's Death

[Bad Ambassador]

Twin Peaks: The Return
This Is Not a Film

I agree, it isn't.

[Monsieur Verdoux]

Let's not get snobby now

[Bad Ambassador]

Voting list - Bad Ambassador

1.   Children of Men (d. Alfonso Cuarón / 2006)
2.   It Follows (d. David Robert Mitchell / 2015)
3.   Under the Skin (d. Jonathan Glazer / 2014)
4.   The Other Side of the Wind (d. Orson Welles / 2018)
5.   There Will Be Blood (d. Paul Thomas Anderson / 2007)
6.   Dunkirk (d. Christopher Nolan / 2017)
7.   Cloud Atlas (d. Lana Wachowski & Lilly Wachowski & Tom Tykwer / 2013)
8.   Punch-Drunk Love (d. Paul Thomas Anderson / 2002)
9.   Mulholland Drive (d. David Lynch / 2001)
10.   Mad Max: Fury Road (d. George Miller / 2015)

11.   Drive (d. Nicolas Winding Refn / 2011)
12.   Amélie (d. Jean-Pierre Jeunet / 2001)
13.   Colossal (d. Nacho Vigalondo / 2017)
14.   Gravity (d. Alfonso Cuarón / 2013)
15.   The Lego Movie (d. Phil Lord & Christopher Miller / 2014)
16.   Slumdog Millionaire (d. Danny Boyle / 2008)
17.   Japanese Story (d. Sue Brooks / 2003)
18.   The Grand Budapest Hotel (d. Wes Anderson / 2014)
19.   The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford (d. Andrew Dominick / 2007)
20.   The Dark Knight (d. Christopher Nolan / 2008)

21.   Halloween (d. David Gordon Green / 2018)
22.   Phantom Thread (d. Paul Thomas Anderson / 2017)
23.   Lost in Translation (d. Sofia Coppola / 2003)
24.   Mandy (d. Panos Cosmatos / 2018)
25.   Where the Wild Things Are (d. Spike Jonze / 2009)
26.   Four Lions (d. Chris Morris / 2010)
27.   The Social Network (d. David Fincher / 2010)
28.   Inside Llewyn Davis (d. Ethan Coen & Joel Coen / 2013)
29.   The Master (d. Paul Thomas Anderson / 2012)
30.   Almost Famous (d. Cameron Crowe / 2000)

[Bad Ambassador]

Let's not get snobby now

I don't think it's snobby to call something produced for and broadcast on television in a series of episodes a television series.

[Monsieur Verdoux]

I think the desire to highlight the distinction is snobby. Regardless of the production context, it's a work of audiovisual media produced by a filmmaker of merit. You would do well to remember that some of Bergman and Godard's more interesting works were produced for television, and that this whole TV/film debate is stupid. I have the right to put a YouTube video on my list if I saw it as having enough merit, and I reject these geeky, technocratic distinctions.

[Bad Ambassador]

I think the desire to highlight the distinction is snobby. Regardless of the production context, it's a work of audiovisual media produced by a filmmaker of merit. You would do well to remember that some of Bergman and Godard's more interesting works were produced for television, and that this whole TV/film debate is stupid. I have the right to put a YouTube video on my list if I saw it as having enough merit, and I reject these geeky, technocratic distinctions.

I think it's snobbery to say that TP:TR gets a pass because Lynch is a "filmmaker of merit", as if someone who made something similar but who didn't have Lynch's track record would have their work counted. If you're just going to count literally anything as a film, there's no point to producing the poll. I could just list episodes of Peep Show and use the same argument as you.

[Monsieur Verdoux]

It's not just that Lynch is a filmmaker of merit, it's that he has a body of audiovisual work which has a distinct evolution and arc that occurs regardless of production context, within and without the requirement of the big screen. 'The Return' is also, uncommonly for television, an auteurist work, with every episode co-written and directed by the same person. If you're going to chop bits out of film history because they occurred on the small screen then I'm afraid that you're a technocratic category fetishist, and not an aesthete

[Bad Ambassador]

Whereas you are a twat.

[greenman]

Would people be interested in making the list more of a presentation? my idea was when it was all calculated I could post an unordered top 50 or top 100 and then people could pick out films they want to do a little write up for?

[Monsieur Verdoux]

Whereas you are a twat.

And you are not a fan of Fassbinder's 'Berlin Alexanderplatz' appearing in lists of great cinema

[Sin Agog]

And so the rift that would ultimately divide the human race into Morlocks and Eloi began here in this thread.

[Small Man Big Horse]

To be fair this is one occasion where there's been a lot of debate over whether it's a tv programme or a film - https://www.indiewire.com/2019/06/jim-jarmusch-twin-peaks-the-return-best-film-decade-1202150533/ - I fall in to the tv show category, but I can understand why some disagree.

[greenman]

And you are not a fan of Fassbinder's 'Berlin Alexanderplatz' appearing in lists of great cinema

I think the divide in Fassbinder's day was much clearer though, in the time of stuff like The Dekalog there was a much more obvious difference between normal TV and content that was more "cinematic". These days though I don't see any kind of clear line that we could use to say whats included and whats not?

I mean the obvious answer I spose is if someone wants to do a vote on best TV shows of the millennium in the Picture Box forum?