CaB's Favourite Films of the 21st Century - Voting

[Piggyoioi]

1. Birth (2004)
2. Children of Men (2006)
3. Casino Royale (2006)
4. Mad Max: Fury Road (2015)
5. No Country For Old Geezas ( 2007)
6. Avatar (2009)
7. Inglourious Basterds (2009)
8. Michael Clayton (2007)
9. Brawl in Cell Block 99 (2017)
10.Nathan For You: Finding Francis (2017)

11. WALL-E (2008)
12. Dunkirk (2017)
13. Green Room (2016)
14. Magic Mike XXL (2015)
15. Nightcrawler (2014)
16. Under The Skin (2013)
17. Sicario: Day of the Soldado (2018)
18. Whiplash (2014)
19. Mulholland Drive (2001)
20. Blue Ruin (2013)

21. Once Upon A Time In Hollywood (2019)
22. Gravity (2013)Burn After Reading (2008)Under the Skin (2013)
23. Under the Skin (2013)
24. Burn After Reading (2008)
25. Sicario: Day of the Soldado (2018)
26. Adaptation (2002)
27. Kill Bill Vol. 1 (2003)
28. Green Room (2015)
29. Zero Dark Thirty (2012)

fuck me, not entirely sure about this list, so consider is a work in progress, takes more time than you think and im sure im missing some shit, so ill edit it as my subconscious does it's ting.

[sevendaughters]

you have Sicario twice for a start

[greenman]

..and three things listed as #22.

[Small Man Big Horse]

I hope this is okay but I'd like to make a last minute change:

1 - 10
Love Exposure
November
Mr Nobody
Holy Motors
Paddington 2
Shortbus
In The Mood For Love
White God
Synecdoche, New York
Amelie

11 - 20
Tangerine
Paprika
Four Lions
I Lost My Body
Crank 2: High Voltage
The Lego Movie
Punch-Drunk Love
A Town Called Panic
Being Frank
The Tale of The Princess Kaguya

21 - 30
Citizen Dog
Y Tu Mamá También
Mary and Max
The Wind Rises
Shaolin Soccer
The Royal Tenenbaums
The Hunt For The Wilderpeople
Kaboom
The Last Circus
The Nine Lives Of Tomas Katz

[Inspector Norse]

Anyone else still doing a list or should I move to totalling up now? I don't mind leaving it until the end of the year if people prefer that.

Speaking PERSONALLY, and you're all free to ignore me, I still have about a dozen post-2000 films on the shelf that I quite fancy watching soon and some of them could well make my list. And there's a couple of things just come out I want to see, Parasite is only released at the end of December here for example.

Also the edit function is disabled in this thread and I already thought of a couple of things I want to swap out in the list I posted last page.

I guess that waiting until the New Year gives more people time to do a list and to watch things, because of course what are the holidays for if not watching obscure Eastern European arthouse films from 2004?

But at the same time how long can people be bothered waiting with this stuff?

[Inspector Norse]

This might be useful for some of you. Or not.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/sep/13/100-best-films-movies-of-the-21st-century

I did a lot of scrolling through this when this thread first came up:

https://www.theyshootpictures.com/21stcentury_allfilms_table.php

[greenman]

I'll probably finally get around to totalling this up at the weekend so if anyone wants to add or revise a list do it before then.

[chveik]

I was bored and remembered this thread

here are the final results:

1. Mulholland Drive & Under the Skin (22 points)
3. There Will Be Blood (15 points)
4. Twin Peaks: The Return, Hard to Be A God & The Act of Killing (12 points)
7. Mad Max: Fury Road, Synecdoche, New York & In the Mood for Love (11 points)
10. The Master, No Country for Old Men & Amélie (10 points)
13. The Grand Budapest Hotel, Children of Men, Zodiac & Werckmeister Harmonies (9 points)
17. In Bruges, Tinker Tailor Solider Spy & O Brother: Where Art Thou (8 points)
20. Four Lions, Punch-Drunk Love, Moonlight & Grizzly Man (7 points)
24. Birth, Yi Yi, The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, The Piano Teacher, The Social Network, Love Exposure, Holy Motors & The Son (L'enfant) (6 points)

[Small Man Big Horse]

Thanks for that, and it makes for interesting reading, especially as I'd consider so many of them quite cold, brutal films - not all, obviously, any list with Amelie and In The Mood For Love couldn't be completely such a thing, but many of them are.

[colacentral]

Twin Peaks was only subtitled "The Return" by CBS as a marketing thing. It wasn't a Lynch / Frost decision, and "The Return" appears nowhere in the series itself. It's not even anywhere on the BR / DVD packaging. It's just Twin Peaks. As in, season 3 of the early 90s TV show. It uses the same theme tune, a similar intro.

The other point I'd make is that although TP was written as one long script and broken up into episodes during editing, it quite clearly has been conceived episodically - the band sequences used to end most episodes / display end credits, and the almost standalone nature of episode 8 shows that.

I love Lynch / TP as much as anyone else here but come on, it's in the running for greatest series of all time. It is not made to be watched in one 18 hour stretch (you could, but there are beginning and end credit sequences inbetween, it's not one seamless experience). If a seamless version was made available by Lynch, like the film versions of The Trip, that would be a different matter.

I do find it a bit of an insult to other TV series' that rival the greatest works of film to say that there is this one series that somehow transcends being a series and becomes a film, but they for some reason don't. And I also think that everyone who entered it into their list of the greatest films of the 21st century knew they were being a bit cheeky doing that.

I would say that if someone wants to make the argument that there should be no distinction, then lump them together from now on - a greatest films and TV series list. I'd have no problem with that and would have no difficulty ranking the two things in one list. I think it's dishonest to make an exception for one series though with no compelling argument for why.

My main grievance is with the subtitle "The Return" though, genuinely. I can't believe that's still being used by everyone.

It's an old argument at this point so I apologise for dredging it back up, I missed it the first time though as I never popped into this thread until now.

[colacentral]

I'd have put Spring Breakers quite high up if I'd done a list early enough, I'm surprised to see it not mentioned anywhere. Happy to see Mulholland Drive at #1

[Monsieur Verdoux]

More tedious bullshit about Twin Peaks, I simply invite anyone who cares enough to die mad about it. Why not dredge up Dekalog and Berlin Alexanderplatz as well and spam the They Shoot Pictures Don't They comments section about it if that's how you want to live your life. Meaningless argument for tedious people

[colacentral]

But it's not meaningless is it? It's a discussion thread about a list of films. What would be meaningless is a series of lists with no commentary and no back and forth of any kind.

You can't pretend to not know it would be a contentious entry either.

And fuck off with your personal insults by the way.

[colacentral]

More tedious bullshit about Twin Peaks, I simply invite anyone who cares enough to die mad about it. Why not dredge up Dekalog and Berlin Alexanderplatz as well and spam the They Shoot Pictures Don't They comments section about it if that's how you want to live your life. Meaningless argument for tedious people

This is just childish defensive drivel. I put in my two cents because I wasn't reading the thread at the time. Either engage directly with my points or don't.

[Monsieur Verdoux]

You shot yourself in the foot in the Marvel/Scorsese thread by arguing so badly that you found yourself implicitly defending the idea that executives needn't feel obliged to give money to artistic ventures as it's 'their money', and had to bail because you couldn't get out of that well and the implications of that, and now you've found another argument with me in another thread that you're hoping you can win by insisting on technicalities, even if you have to drag it up months after the fact. Just get a life, no sensible person cares about Berlin Alexanderplatz being on lists of great cinema. It's trivia for category fetishists and it's not worth the time.

[colacentral]

You shot yourself in the foot in the Marvel/Scorsese thread by arguing so badly that you found yourself implicitly defending the idea that executives needn't feel obliged to give money to artistic ventures, and had to bail because you couldn't get out of that well and the implications of that, and now you've found another argument with me in another thread that you're hoping you can win by insisting on technicalities, even if you have to drag it up months after the fact. Just get a life, no sensible person cares about Berlin Alexanderplatz being on lists of great cinema. It's trivia for category fetishists and it's not worth the time.

This is mad. I can assure you that I haven't tracked you to a different thread with some grudge to have another argument. I've laid out what I think about Twin Peaks, so respond to that or don't. Do you think I've just decided I think this today because it's the opposite of what you think?

You're being a right nasty prick here with your tone too. "Get a life"? "You argued so badly", "you had to bail"? I'm not going to derail this thread by discussing that topic but I left that argument because I said my piece and you said yours; did you expect it to keep going on forever with each of us trying to have the last word?

[Monsieur Verdoux]

I'm not saying you tracked me, I'm saying that you read the thread when it was bumped, discovered who was putting forward the argument and acted accordingly, and you may have not been motivated to say anything otherwise. I have addressed your points, earlier in this thread. You have dragged up an old discussion to say nothing new once again.

[colacentral]

I'm not saying you tracked me, I'm saying that you read the thread when it was bumped, discovered who was putting forward the argument and acted accordingly, and you may have not been motivated to say anything otherwise. I have addressed your points, earlier in this thread. You have dragged up an old discussion to say nothing new once again.

I didn't respond because it was you, how narcissistic. It's a coincidence.

I apologised for bringing it up again - I haven't been reading the movies forum for a few months so now I'm seeing arguments from months ago that I missed the first time around. Even so, it's relevant that now with the final tally of votes, a contentious entry is ranked amongst CaB's best films of the 21st Century.

Read my first post again - I'm hardly having a personal dig, am I? In your earlier discussion you were talking about there being no meaningful distinction between TV and film. So my compromise as suggested in my post is a ranked list of all TV and film. I'm not taking the piss if that's what you think - I'd have no problem ranking the Sopranos at number 1, or Nathan for You as a body of work above any 21st century theatrical comedy.

[Monsieur Verdoux]

Yeah I do apologise actually, reading my posts back I am being a prick about this, and you were just putting forward a perspective in a way that wasn't aggressive or pointed or anything. I just got pissed off because of how much fucking unnecessary grief I got about it earlier in the thread from one or two absolute dullards, and I overreacted to you bringing it up again. No excuses though, I momentarily saw red for no good reason

[colacentral]

Yeah I do apologise actually, reading my posts back I am being a prick about this, and you were just putting forward a perspective in a way that wasn't aggressive or pointed or anything. I just got pissed off because of how much fucking unnecessary grief I got about it earlier in the thread from one or two absolute dullards, and I overreacted to you bringing it up again. No excuses though, I momentarily saw red for no good reason

No worries, sorry for being snippy back.

[Monsieur Verdoux]

The thing I'll say on this is that I've always thought that Twin Peaks was television series, not a film. So I'm not arguing that it's a film because I think film is superior or anything even remotely like that. I can see how this nominally being a film list could potentially invite that interpretation, but that's not what's going on here at all. So all arguments that 'Twin Peaks: A Limited Event Series' is essentially a television series are fair enough.

[chveik]

My main grievance is with the subtitle "The Return" though, genuinely. I can't believe that's still being used by everyone.

nah I'm still going to use it, I fucking hated the series. I'd rather it to be a distinct entity.

[Pearly-Dewdrops Drops]

I was bored and remembered this thread

here are the final results:

1. Mulholland Drive & Under the Skin (22 points)
3. There Will Be Blood (15 points)
4. Twin Peaks: The Return, Hard to Be A God & The Act of Killing (12 points)
7. Mad Max: Fury Road, Synecdoche, New York & In the Mood for Love (11 points)
10. The Master, No Country for Old Men & Amélie (10 points)
13. The Grand Budapest Hotel, Children of Men, Zodiac & Werckmeister Harmonies (9 points)
17. In Bruges, Tinker Tailor Solider Spy & O Brother: Where Art Thou (8 points)
20. Four Lions, Punch-Drunk Love, Moonlight & Grizzly Man (7 points)
24. Birth, Yi Yi, The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, The Piano Teacher, The Social Network, Love Exposure, Holy Motors & The Son (L'enfant) (6 points)

I think Birth got at least 9 points (in the top 10 for myself, greenman, and Piggyoioi). Only noticed that one because I was interested every time someone voted for it.

[chveik]

I think Birth got at least 9 points (in the top 10 for myself, greenman, and Piggyoioi). Only noticed that one because I was interested every time someone voted for it.

ah indeed, sorry

1. Mulholland Drive & Under the Skin (22 points)
3. There Will Be Blood (15 points)
4. Twin Peaks: The Return, Hard to Be A God & The Act of Killing (12 points)
7. Mad Max: Fury Road, Synecdoche, New York & In the Mood for Love (11 points)
10. The Master, No Country for Old Men & Amélie (10 points)
13. Birth, The Grand Budapest Hotel, Children of Men, Zodiac & Werckmeister Harmonies (9 points)
18. In Bruges, Tinker Tailor Solider Spy & O Brother: Where Art Thou (8 points)
21. Four Lions, Punch-Drunk Love, Moonlight & Grizzly Man (7 points)
25. Yi Yi, The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, The Piano Teacher, The Social Network, Love Exposure, Holy Motors & The Son (L'enfant) (6 points)

[Inspector Norse]

Thanks for that, and it makes for interesting reading, especially as I'd consider so many of them quite cold, brutal films - not all, obviously, any list with Amelie and In The Mood For Love couldn't be completely such a thing, but many of them are.

One odd thing is that looking at the "final" list there are as many films that I disliked as there are ones I liked. Do other people also find modern cinema as divisive?

Edit: actually no, that's not fair, there are a handful that I don't rate that high but only one or two I actively disliked.

[Puce Moment]

It's interesting to see some films that do not usually poll or poll this high. Under the Skin at join #1 is a sign of the board's taste.

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

The thing I'll say on this is that I've always thought that Twin Peaks was television series, not a film.

Must be its broadcast on cable television in a traditional episodic series format.

[greenman]

Fucking hell I totally forgot about this, was halfway though compiling the list when a friend broke up with his fiancé and needed somewhere to stay causing quite a bit of house rearrangement.

Birth and Hard to Be a God ending up so high is probably the most surprising thing, someone contact the studio of the latter and get them to put it out in HD/UHD.

[Monsieur Verdoux]

Must be its broadcast on cable television in a traditional episodic series format.

Good god man, read the room for once

[joaquin closet]

I think that's a good list. Well done us.

One odd thing is that looking at the "final" list there are as many films that I disliked as there are ones I liked. Do other people also find modern cinema as divisive?

Edit: actually no, that's not fair, there are a handful that I don't rate that high but only one or two I actively disliked.

Just for curiosity's sake which are the ones you disliked ? Like I said just interested, not gonna argue you on it or anything.