Author Topic: The Irishman (new Scorsese film feat. De Niro, Pacino, Pesci)  (Read 13746 times)

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Re: The Irishman (new Scorsese film feat. De Niro, Pacino, Pesci)
« Reply #180 on: January 20, 2020, 02:20:34 PM »
Once I got over the de-aging (and some of it did look weird - in the early part Joe Pesci especially looked like Roark Junior from Sin City but without the green skin), I really got immersed in it and thoroughly enjoyed it.  Admittedly it probs would've been a bit of a hard slog at the flicks, but comfy in my own home with the ability to pause (which, actually, I never did - watched it straight through) it never dragged for or felt overlong to me.

Great to see Pesci on screen again, easily the best and most committed performance De Niro has done in ages, and Pacino was clearly enjoying himself as well.

Admittedly I think it would have been better had they got different actors for the younger counterparts (Pesci calling De Niro "kid" when he's already well into his 40s raise an eyebrow) rather than younging down on an iMac, but on the other hand I understand that - unlike, say, Once Upon A Time In America, which follows the characters from children - the characters in The Irishman are already adults (some of them already old when we meet them), so having different actors would be a bit jarring.  Which ultimately leaves the only other option of recasting completely, as Lost Oliver said above, and relying on makeup and/or prosthetics.

But, like I said at the start of this post, I got over it, and it didn't take me long either.

My only real negative comment is that bit when De Niro - clearly physically too old - "kicks the shit" out of the grocery store guy.  Comical.  And I don't think that was the intention.

For me and my personal subjective opinion it's Scorsese's best film since Bringing Out the Dead.

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Re: The Irishman (new Scorsese film feat. De Niro, Pacino, Pesci)
« Reply #181 on: January 20, 2020, 02:22:41 PM »
I liked the stuff with old De Niro in the home towards the end. I can't believe the dodgy "young" effects are actually being praised. But in a few years we'll be able to do that stuff properly and maybe this is a significant stepping stone towards that.

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Re: The Irishman (new Scorsese film feat. De Niro, Pacino, Pesci)
« Reply #182 on: January 20, 2020, 02:30:32 PM »
I liked the stuff with old De Niro in the home towards the end. I can't believe the dodgy "young" effects are actually being praised. But in a few years we'll be able to do that stuff properly and maybe this is a significant stepping stone towards that.

To be fair, I thought some of it was pretty good, but the main problem is that is was inconsistent.  I don't know if that's because different ages lend themselves better to CGI, or they ran out of money, or different people worked on it, or they used more than one piece of software or what.  But it's the eyes they struggle with, of course.

RE the bit in bold - the de-aging work on Michael Douglas in Ant Man is superb and still looks superb now 5 years later, and that was all CGI.  I've never understood how or why we've not seen anything even approaching that quality since.

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Re: The Irishman (new Scorsese film feat. De Niro, Pacino, Pesci)
« Reply #183 on: January 20, 2020, 03:43:44 PM »
I liked the stuff with old De Niro in the home towards the end. I can't believe the dodgy "young" effects are actually being praised. But in a few years we'll be able to do that stuff properly and maybe this is a significant stepping stone towards that.

Scorsese said something about not being able to get anywhere near the actors during any scene where the Youngenator cameras were in use.  It just required too many people and too much equipment to squeeze in even his tiny self.  I wonder if that partly explains why so many people are enjoying the last hour more.  Finally shorn of all the clutter, Scorsese decided to get intimate in a way he probably should have done from the beginning.

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Re: The Irishman (new Scorsese film feat. De Niro, Pacino, Pesci)
« Reply #184 on: January 20, 2020, 06:44:10 PM »
Here's the real Jimmy Hoffa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWitsAgxd8U

They got his office right anyway.

Bad video, but here is, reportedly, part of his final interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e8U-Bki7bM

thecuriousorange

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Re: The Irishman (new Scorsese film feat. De Niro, Pacino, Pesci)
« Reply #185 on: January 20, 2020, 07:26:53 PM »
If you're going to depict a character over many decades, at different stages of life, it's a million times easier with a young actor. Citizen Kane did it well and computers hadn't even been dreamt of then.

Re: The Irishman (new Scorsese film feat. De Niro, Pacino, Pesci)
« Reply #186 on: January 22, 2020, 08:40:14 PM »
I've watched this 4 times now and it's still incredible how much of a vacuum De Niro is in this. His character is just nothing, and it really frustrates me. It works in the context of being around Hoffa because Al Pacino plays him really well, he's eccentric and angry and shouty and it's entertaining, and opposite Pesci who is quietly dominating and subtle.

So yeah, a bit crap all in all. Except Al, he's great.

I only just copped Steve Van Zandt singing at that party though! That was fun.

Re: The Irishman (new Scorsese film feat. De Niro, Pacino, Pesci)
« Reply #187 on: January 23, 2020, 04:21:59 PM »
I thought this was pretty good, but I should add that I was drunk when I watched it, which probably helped with the long running time. They more or less get away with the de-aging, if you ask me. Purely subjective, of course, and everyone seems to have had different levels of reaction to it.

I don't know if I agree that it's always better to age a younger actor upwards. I thought it looked shit in Citizen Kane, and looked bad even with modern makeup effects in the J. Edgar film.

Sin Agog

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Re: The Irishman (new Scorsese film feat. De Niro, Pacino, Pesci)
« Reply #188 on: January 23, 2020, 04:25:21 PM »
I've watched this 4 times now and it's still incredible how much of a vacuum De Niro is in this. His character is just nothing, and it really frustrates me. It works in the context of being around Hoffa because Al Pacino plays him really well, he's eccentric and angry and shouty and it's entertaining, and opposite Pesci who is quietly dominating and subtle.

So yeah, a bit crap all in all. Except Al, he's great.

I only just copped Steve Van Zandt singing at that party though! That was fun.

Why in the name of Crom would you watch a film you thought was a a bit crap four times in a couple of weeks?

Re: The Irishman (new Scorsese film feat. De Niro, Pacino, Pesci)
« Reply #189 on: January 23, 2020, 04:27:44 PM »
Why in the name of Crom would you watch a film you thought was a a bit crap four times in a couple of weeks?

Because its Scorcese and I give him the benefit of the doubt. And like I say there are some really good aspects of it. The scenes between Al Pacino and Stephen Graham are exceptional.


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Re: The Irishman (new Scorsese film feat. De Niro, Pacino, Pesci)
« Reply #190 on: January 23, 2020, 05:39:46 PM »
Why in the name of Crom would you watch a film you thought was a a bit crap four times in a couple of weeks?

A 3 1/2 hour one at that!

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Re: The Irishman (new Scorsese film feat. De Niro, Pacino, Pesci)
« Reply #191 on: January 24, 2020, 08:02:42 PM »
More names above the wrong heads on a poster. Sigh.


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Re: The Irishman (new Scorsese film feat. De Niro, Pacino, Pesci)
« Reply #192 on: January 24, 2020, 08:25:43 PM »
Pesci standing at the front there to make himself look taller, like Ronnie James Dio.

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Re: The Irishman (new Scorsese film feat. De Niro, Pacino, Pesci)
« Reply #193 on: January 24, 2020, 10:35:23 PM »
Guy at work described this as “a classy gangster film” after watching less than half of it. Makes me think “MEH”.

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Re: The Irishman (new Scorsese film feat. De Niro, Pacino, Pesci)
« Reply #194 on: January 25, 2020, 06:38:22 AM »
More names above the wrong heads on a poster. Sigh.

And they’re all looking at different points of interest.  A double whammy of shit poster tropes.

Pesci standing at the front there to make himself look taller, like Ronnie James Dio.

More like Ronnie Pickering.

thecuriousorange

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Re: The Irishman (new Scorsese film feat. De Niro, Pacino, Pesci)
« Reply #195 on: January 25, 2020, 08:07:33 PM »
Pesci standing at the front there to make himself look taller, like Ronnie James Dio.

I do find it "funny how" good he was at that.


Elderly Sumo Prophecy

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Re: The Irishman (new Scorsese film feat. De Niro, Pacino, Pesci)
« Reply #196 on: January 25, 2020, 08:33:45 PM »
Souness and Keegan on the right there. Tightest rhythm section this side of Doncaster Valhalla.
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Re: The Irishman (new Scorsese film feat. De Niro, Pacino, Pesci)
« Reply #198 on: January 26, 2020, 11:50:32 AM »
Could be anybody from the 70's with curly long hair and a moustache really. Like your Mum.

Shit Good Nose

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Re: The Irishman (new Scorsese film feat. De Niro, Pacino, Pesci)
« Reply #199 on: January 27, 2020, 07:54:35 PM »
Those of you who are completely unimpressed will be delighted to learn that Criterion are releasing it on blu-ray, along with a few other Netflix productions.

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