Bojack Horseman (Season 6)

[Pseudopath]

It's not really a spoiler for this show as every season has one of those episodes. I was just warning people which one it was so that they could prepare accordingly.

I suppose I've ruined the whole show for you now that you know every season has a devastating episode, so sorry about that.

[Thursday]

I mean I was expecting it to be, but it  still could *potentially* be unexpectedly happy, but now you've made sure I know it's extra devastating... and so now the implication of that being that 16 isn't the most devastating. That's not helpful to me at all.

Anyway I know I'm probably just being the weird one here, so I'll leave the thread until it's all watched.

[Pseudopath]

I mean I was expecting it to be, but it  still could *potentially* be unexpectedly happy, but now you've made sure I know it's extra devastating... and so now the implication of that being that 16 isn't the most devastating. That's not helpful to me at all.

Sorry you feel that way, but I didn't imply that at all. You inferred it. I might not have even watched Episode 16 yet and certainly never made any comparisons between the two. Still, I hope I haven't ruined your enjoyment of the remaining episodes.

[Captain Z]

Somebody said that about one of the episodes in the last run and I don't remember feeling anything from it.

[Bobloblawslawbomb]

Why bother with comments like this? It's not technically a spoiler, but you're setting expectations in a way that's annoying.

I know I'm the idiot coming in here after only a few episodes, but still.

To be fair, the minute the episode starts, you know it's going to be devastating. Holy shit, I'm still reeling. Have had to compose myself before starting the final ep....

[Dewt]

Gonna have to binge watch them all right now starting at midnight to avoid spoilers. I keep absent mindedly opening this thread but fortunately avoided reading contents

[Dewt]

Hah, turns out the content of this thread was an argument about spoilers.

[Dewt]

I thought

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a lot of this was very real, that's what was so devastating about it. Ep 15 was devastating in a dramatic way, but the rest was more so for me because of how real it was. Dianne especially, in two specific ways for me (one where I related to her and one where she reminded me of growing apart from people in general)

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[Thursday]

I've watched them all now, and in my personal opinion, I'm very happy to say that they "stuck the landing"

Just so nice to have to something that remained consistently good throughout and ended at the right time.

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I suppose, some would say they should have ended it with Bojack dying, in some ways that would have been braver, but in other ways I don't think it would quite would have fit, really think the tone they ended it on is right for the show

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[Cardenio I]

Fuck me, this show is good. All told that's got to be one of the best last seasons of anything. Look forward to seeing how it all holds together as one unit on a rewatch.

[Pseudopath]

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I suppose, some would say they should have ended it with Bojack dying, in some ways that would have been braver, but in other ways I don't think it would quite would have fit, really think the tone they ended it on is right for the show

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I initially thought this, but in retrospect I think the somewhat-vague epilogue we get is more fitting for the show. BoJack doesn't really get any redemption and will more than likely fall into his old ways and repeat the same mistakes once he's out of prison.

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[selectivememory]

I didn't need them to

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kill BoJack, but I hated the fact that they essentially did, and then went "haha, not really" at the beginning of the next episode

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. Kind of soured the rest of the finale for me. Otherwise up to that point I thought it was pretty much a perfect final season.

[Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse]

I just finished it and oh wow.

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Bad stuff first - I felt like they did that thing they've done over and over, where BoJack fucks up and decides to turn himself around but then he fucks up AGAIN and decides no this is it, this time I'll come clean and then he fucks up AGAIN, EVEN MORE. I thought the bit where Secretariat speaking for Butterscotch and telling BoJack he actually cared too much was a bit of a cop-out since it's the penultimate episode ever. I know this is a dying hallucination and it's something that BoJack wishes were true about his father rather than something Butterscotch actually felt, but it came across like the writers realised they'd never really addressed BoJack's relationship with his father so let's explicitly cram something in here at the end. I also wish we could've seen Hollyhock in person one more time, but then BoJack was blowing up her phone so much it makes sense that she wrote him a letter and changed her number.

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Good stuff - all the main characters are left in better places at the end. I cheered when Diane said Guy was no longer her boyfriend and then showed BoJack her ring. Mr. Peanutbutter is in therapy, and while I'm sorry we didn't get to see him actually make up his mind to start going, it works if you take BoJack as the POV character. He's never been interested in Mr. Peanutbutter's personal life and he's been in prison for the past year, it makes sense that he wouldn't know about this.

It's also nice, after five-ish seasons of watching our mains desperately seek happiness from external sources only to be disappointed over and over and OVER WE GET IT, to see so many of them finally make progress, progress that the show wants you to believe will last. And I do believe it. I knew they'd do it up right.

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[Dannyhood91]

Warning all: Episode 15 is DEVASTATING.

Jesus fuck man I've just watched it and you're right.

[NoSleep]

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I'm glad they didn't kill him and I loved how incredibly mundane the finale was.

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[neveragain]

Ha, absolutely. That must have been the point.

[neveragain]

I adored the penultimate episode, particularly the

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8 and a half minute dinner table scene

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Was it just me misunderstanding or

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did Hollyhock kill herself?

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Also, less shockingly,

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did the dialogue in Diane and Bojack's last rooftop convo mirror their first?

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[Thursday]

Was it just me misunderstanding or

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did Hollyhock kill herself?

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Definitely not my interpretation.

[robotam]

Well, this was certainly some more Bojack Horseman. I think its a really interesting show and there were still lots of great little gags but maybe it didn't need so many episodes. I realize there is already a defense of that built into the show; so much of it is about patterns and the work it takes to avoid falling into them. It's just, the show also gets very formulaic. That said, enjoyed the last episode.

Was it just me misunderstanding or

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did Hollyhock kill herself?

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Nah, she just had enough of Bojack. He'd have taken it much worse and there would have been a weird Sarah Lynn-Hollyhock hybrid in the penultimate episode.

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[Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse]

Was it just me misunderstanding or

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did Hollyhock kill herself?

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No.

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She sent him a letter cutting him off and changed her phone number, that's why it was out of service. The writers took care in season four to show that Hollyhock's eight dads are raising her to be emotionally stable, telling her it's okay to cry and not to feel bad about feeling sad. Contrast that with Beatrice telling BoJack not to dare cry and later asking Henrietta what crying will achieve. Hollyhock may have that nasty little Horseman voice inside her telling her she's a stupid piece of shit but she's gonna be all right. Plus, killing her off offscreen would've been really, really cheap.

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[neveragain]

All that makes sense. Think I jumped to that conclusion because of personal stuff. It's much better that she's fine.

[Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse]

I didn't need them to

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kill BoJack, but I hated the fact that they essentially did, and then went "haha, not really" at the beginning of the next episode

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. Kind of soured the rest of the finale for me. Otherwise up to that point I thought it was pretty much a perfect final season.

I thought it was a bit of a cop-out on first viewing, too. However,

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if BoJack had drowned in the pool of his recently repossessed home after a spectacular relapse, the story in Hollywoob would've been a tragic tale of a disgraced star who couldn't live with the guilt anymore and committed suicide. He doesn't get a public outpouring of posthumous sympathy and I don't think he would want it. BoJack's done and been complicit in a lot of bad things that most people don't know about, and he's desperately wanted to be held accountable and to be properly punished in some way for them. Prison is his happy ending. Now he feels like he's being held accountable. That's why he describes his sentence as not only being for breaking into the house but for a lot of things. I feel optimistic for him, he's been sober for a year and he's managed to stay clean in prison. And he's apprehensive about leaving in case he falls back into bad habits, which means he knows he's not cured/fixed, which means he's more likely to seek help to stay on the straight and narrow.

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[selectivememory]

I thought it was a bit of a cop-out on first viewing, too. However,

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if BoJack had drowned in the pool of his recently repossessed home after a spectacular relapse, the story in Hollywoob would've been a tragic tale of a disgraced star who couldn't live with the guilt anymore and committed suicide. He doesn't get a public outpouring of posthumous sympathy and I don't think he would want it. BoJack's done and been complicit in a lot of bad things that most people don't know about, and he's desperately wanted to be held accountable and to be properly punished in some way for them. Prison is his happy ending. Now he feels like he's being held accountable. That's why he describes his sentence as not only being for breaking into the house but for a lot of things. I feel optimistic for him, he's been sober for a year and he's managed to stay clean in prison. And he's apprehensive about leaving in case he falls back into bad habits, which means he knows he's not cured/fixed, which means he's more likely to seek help to stay on the straight and narrow.

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I wouldn't even call it a cop-out exactly.

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I just felt like they were trying to have their cake and eat it with that. I didn't like that they led us to believe he was dead. They wanted to hit us with the emotional impact of BoJack dying, and then pulled it back for the ending they wanted to do. Because I watched those episodes back to back, I found it very hard to change gears and go with it. I wouldn't have minded at all if they'd brought him back from the brink at the very end of that episode, but the way they did it really rubbed me the wrong way. It just seemed incredibly cheap and hacky.

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No problems really with how the finale panned out after that. I think I was just annoyed with how much I hated what they did at the beginning of the episode.

[druss]

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It would have worked better in a series where the episodes are released weekly, agreed. I quite like that they didn't kill him, for me that was the obvious way to go. Particularly if it had been him drowning in his pool which seemed telegraphed from the opening credits in the first episode.

Overall, 6 seasons of brilliant television with a decent enough finale. Not many shows can say that

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[Blumf]

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I wouldn't have minded at all if they'd brought him back from the brink at the very end of that episode,

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Did you pay attention to the 'music' on the end credits

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?

[Dewt]

Yeah, if you let that episode play out in full you'll find it resolves itself.

[neveragain]

Yes, something Netflix helped hide.

[selectivememory]

Haha, no I didn't notice that in my haste to get to the next episode.

[Thursday]

God netflix's cutting off on the end credits really does annoy me, but particularly for the last episode. Cunts.

[Blumf]

What did that Bird-lady represent in S06E15? The closest answer I've seen says

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there is a superstition that a bird flying into a house means a death is coming.

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But, I don't know, maybe? Seems like there's more to it than that.

EDIT: Spoiler tag doesn't block links, so I've had to fiddle with it in a way that doesn't work. You need to highlight the text.