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The 'who the fuck am I even actually going to vote for?' thread

Started by BritishHobo, October 29, 2019, 11:27:17 PM

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Quote from: hamfist on October 31, 2019, 07:53:17 AM
I just wanna be sure : CLEARLY Labour for me here in York Outer, right ?

I want to #cancel the Tories. I want a Jezza government. But mostly I want to boot Julian Sturdy off his throne.

That getvoting.org website recommends Lib Dem.  So don't do that - Labour look like they have the ability to win that.  Does it just recommend Lib Dem for anything that isn't just irrevocably Labour?

But these idiots are just going to hand the Tories multiple seats if some, but not enough, people follow their advice.

If the Libs were smart, they'd form an electoral pact with Labour and not put up candidates in seats like that, in return for Labour not putting up candidates in Con/Lib marginals like Oxford West.  But, with Jo Swinson, talking about winning hundreds of seats and positioning herself as the next prime minister, I think delusion has properly taken hold.

greencalx

From the Guardian live feed:

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Yesterday the Liberal Democrats sent out a note inviting journalists to a slogan launch this morning. That could be a first. Having covered general elections since the 1990s, I've seen poster launches, campaign launches and manifesto launches, but never something billed as an event to announce just a slogan.

This has the feel of TINGE all over it. Maybe they will poll just as well.

NoSleep

The LibDems appear to have sacrificed what they believe to be right for this country in favour of what they believe is right for their party. Not a good look. Especially in comparison to Labour's stance.

NoSleep

Quote from: greencalx on October 31, 2019, 11:04:20 AM
From the Guardian live feed:

This has the feel of TINGE all over it. Maybe they will poll just as well.

"Lie To Yourself"
"Shoot Yourself In The Foot"
"Get The Tories Back In Power"

olliebean

Quote from: Darles Chickens on October 31, 2019, 11:00:21 AM
That getvoting.org website recommends Lib Dem.  So don't do that - Labour look like they have the ability to win that.  Does it just recommend Lib Dem for anything that isn't just irrevocably Labour?

Looks like it. It recommends Lib Dem here although they got 6.6% last time - around 20,000 behind the Tories and Labour.

They stand for nothing apart from Brexit.  Do they care about green issues?  Who knows?  But:

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Anyway, the Lib Dem slogan van is supposedly due to spend *an hour* driving around Parliament Square. It's a diesel. As an asthmatic who works a few hundred metres away I'm not overly keen on this.

Classic Jo "Fracking" Swinson.

hamfist

Quote from: olliebean on October 31, 2019, 11:10:31 AM
Looks like it. It recommends Lib Dem here although they got 6.6% last time - around 20,000 behind the Tories and Labour.

I get the feeling that site is using the EU parliament election as input too, where York Outer and York City both got yellow fever. As a clear remain choice, at the time, in that context : I understand why. But you surely can't use that as a basis for a GE.

poo

Natural Labour person but their performance in Wales means I cannot bring myself vote for them. They've had decades; they've acheived shit. I'm rather cross with them.
Tories = evil.
Libs? Not likely.
Plaid = cloud cuckoo land.
Brexit. No, obs.
Greens. Yeah prob. Wasted, but prob.

My vote is going to have zero impact.

Shoulders?-Stomach!

Obviously there is devolution but are you at all optimistic the Corbyn project might filter down into better policies for Wales?

NoSleep


Dr Rock

https://www.swapmyvote.uk/

QuoteDecember 2019 General Election Update
We are updating the Swap My Vote platform for the election to be held on 12th December 2019. We will aim to open for vote swapping soon after 15th November.

Please enter your email address for a reminder when vote swapping is open and further updates.

NoSleep

I wouldn't trust anyone to vote on my behalf. How do you ensure you haven't shared your vote with Dominic Cummings?

poo

Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on October 31, 2019, 12:45:21 PM
Obviously there is devolution but are you at all optimistic the Corbyn project might filter down into better policies for Wales?

Well maybe. I'm open to argument. So fucking cross with them though. Not just on a local level but they've been generally fucking useless as opposition recently and are all to fuck on Brexit.

Dr Rock

Quote from: NoSleep on October 31, 2019, 12:57:09 PM
I wouldn't trust anyone to vote on my behalf. How do you ensure you haven't shared your vote with Dominic Cummings?

Website says

QuoteHow do I know my partner will vote (for who I want)?

We have integrated the Swap my Vote platform with two of the biggest public social networks used in the UK so that you see that there is a real person at the other end of the swap, and potentially make contact with your partner. The kinds of thoughts and articles you share may help trust arise naturally. If you do make contact, perhaps let each other know what the most important policies to you, what you would like your vote to achieve, why you have decided to swap your vote. Some people even let each other know when the're heading down to the ballot and, on the day, there'll be a button you can use to automatically let each other know you've voted. We're hoping that this site may contribute to a greater sense of community amongst voters, all hoping to make the country run as well as possible for a better future.

Probably only do it if you've swapped Facebook pages or Twitter and had a chat with them and don't do it if you've got any doubts. Some might judge the risk may be worth taking for some in super safe seats, just putting the link out.

Sherringford Hovis


Zetetic

"Imagine your constituency is a closely fought contest between Dick Dastardly and Muttley, and no other candidates are competitive. Who would you vote for? Also your constituency is on a moon, but not Earth's moon."

pancreas

Quote from: poo on October 31, 2019, 01:02:20 PM
Well maybe. I'm open to argument. So fucking cross with them though. Not just on a local level but they've been generally fucking useless as opposition recently and are all to fuck on Brexit.

Their Brexit policy is: negotiate soft Brexit & put to second ref vs Remain. I know it's taken a while to get there, but that's the best offer out there.

Zetetic

Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on October 31, 2019, 12:45:21 PM
Obviously there is devolution but are you at all optimistic the Corbyn project might filter down into better policies for Wales?
It's money that's still mostly the issue and the gross consequences of policies in England for everyone else.

You cannot run the NHS in Wales properly with the amount of money available, even if Welsh Government forgoed any novel policy (they don't have a huge choice of budgets to raid). You can't produce and retain enough nurses while England doesn't have the bursary.

Welsh Labour has plenty of problems, as Government and otherwise, but it doesn't have a huge amount of real power to wield. Wales is in a very different situation to Scotland - the universities and media are a good starting point to understand how.

Buelligan

Quote from: NoSleep on October 31, 2019, 12:57:09 PM
I wouldn't trust anyone to vote on my behalf. How do you ensure you haven't shared your vote with Dominic Cummings?

Absolutely 110%.  Anyone giving even a moment's consideration to it, ask yourself how much is a vote worth?  People, lots of people, have died to get one. 

Now ask yourself what sort of person would trust a website with no track record at all and no comebacks, with an investment as big as that if it was actual money.  That's correct, if your mum did it (with actual money) you'd call her a silly old bat not wise in the ways of the world.  You'd think she was an idiot.

Dr Rock

Quote from: pancreas on October 31, 2019, 01:59:21 PM
Their Brexit policy is: negotiate soft Brexit & put to second ref vs Remain.

TOO COMPLIMICATED

buttgammon

Help! Labour have selected some Blairite in my seat, but it's become so marginal over the last few elections that I couldn't afford to vote Plaid or Green as that would only help the Tories. On an individual level I'd much rather vote for the Plaid candidate, but I would like a Labour government. But at the same time, I have a feeling if she was elected, this candidate would probably obstruct half of the Labour policies I'd want.

NoSleep

It's got to be Labour in those circumstances, buttgammon. Raising the number of Labour MPs for Corbyn is crucial. Make sure she's deselected next time.

buttgammon

Quote from: NoSleep on November 02, 2019, 09:32:28 AM
It's got to be Labour in those circumstances, buttgammon. Raising the number of Labour MPs for Corbyn is crucial. Make sure she's deselected next time.

I am going to vote for her, but it is a matter of where to go from there; I'm kicking myself for not rejoining the party and having a say in this selection in the first place.

NJ Uncut

My closest and oldest friend who teaches politics at sixth form level, who is the calm, gentle voice to my scrabbling, angry yelling, who self identifies as a socialist, has decided, Labour as he is, anti Tory as he is, Brexit is the defining factor so he is going to vote for the Brexit Party

Cue me going off on one a wee bit, nicely, I like this lad, but I called that vote "a short termist joke of a vote that ignores practically everything else going on for the country, just Tory enablers aren't they, that's the side of Trump now too, even if you want Brexit and it is sorted to your satisfaction ASAP, what will they do with the remaining four and a half years, will they sort the NHS, will they do anything for people on benefits" etc. Common sense basically

To be fair, he's in a seat dahn sarf that is blue, blue, Tory blue, that's the colour of your womb.

Anyway, this is sad, or saaaad. He's not gammon, he's my brother


imitationleather

My A level Politics teacher had been a member of the Tories during the Thatcher years, but bizarrely was also a nice guy.


New folder

Quote from: NJ Uncut on November 02, 2019, 10:18:28 AM
My closest and oldest friend who teaches politics at sixth form level, who is the calm, gentle voice to my scrabbling, angry yelling, who self identifies as a socialist, has decided, Labour as he is, anti Tory as he is, Brexit is the defining factor so he is going to vote for the Brexit Party

Strange to see some apparent socialists (the Lexit types) smugly proclaiming to vote for a nationalistic party full of deranged far right ghouls and therefore cruelly condemning less fortunate to poverty and death, just for the sake of selfish contrarianism. Feels quite contradictory to me.

But maybe I got it wrong, and socialism actually means "GET BRUUXXIT DONE AT ALL CUST" while spitting in the faces of those who will still suffer under the Tories, independently of Brexit being done, undone, re-done, not done at all, fully done, half way done, or put up your arse.

Oh and thanks Galloway, you fucking Tory enabler. Just a reverse Lib Dem at this point. Jezza has laid out a very simple path for these people: vote Labour; then in the second referendum, vote Leave. And yet they find this a confusing prospect. Confusing enough to actually vote for Big Nige of the Plane Crashes.

Add Chronic Brexit Derangement to the DSM-6

Pie Pie Eater

Another Edinburgh North & Leither here, and may I be the third to encourage canadagoose and others to vote Labour! And Rizla, come and knock on doors with me. (I say that as if I'm experienced but I did it for the first time today). It seems to be a well organised CLP, and I think there were quite a few new people turning up today. Anyway, quite an interesting mix in Newhaven but some encouraging responses, and I certainly haven't lost hope that it could be a Labour gain.

BritishHobo

Quote from: buttgammon on November 02, 2019, 09:11:17 AM
Help! Labour have selected some Blairite in my seat, but it's become so marginal over the last few elections that I couldn't afford to vote Plaid or Green as that would only help the Tories. On an individual level I'd much rather vote for the Plaid candidate, but I would like a Labour government. But at the same time, I have a feeling if she was elected, this candidate would probably obstruct half of the Labour policies I'd want.

Are we in the same constituency? Fuck ME the temptation to vote for the incredible Plaid candidate over the milquetoast Blairite Labour one is SO tempting.