General Erection Thread Two: Let's Get Johnson Out (Of Number 10)

[Zetetic]

It should have something at the bottom like 'promoted by XXX on behalf of YYY' and an election number on it.

That's not exactly what the "imprint" requirements would be in this case, I believe, if they apply - it would be printer and promoter. (The document isn't being published on behalf of a specific candidate, only advising against voting for the Tories.)

I can't imagine the electoral commission is going to take an interest in individuals.

It'd be the police in the first instance - I too hope that they're not going to be unhelpful. The worst I can imagine, in practice, is them advising the individual that they do need to add their details.




What I need is someone who has a decent understanding of the line regarding what constitutes "election material". (I can point this person to the Electoral Commission website and the the relevant bit of legislation, but that's not the same as someone with experience in this area.) If there's a clear example where this wasn't an issue... that would be ideal.

This person didn't put "the relevant details" on it (only that it was designed and paid for by "NHS staff").

[Zetetic]

Is it this thing:

No.

(Theirs isn't focused on privatisation or Boris. It has stuff that makes it relevant to devolved nations. And is bilingual. These are the things that have likely provoked the people winding this person up more than anything else...)

[Danger Man]

Not sure what you're asking.

He's gone rogue.....

[Zetetic]

It's actually not me. (Although the imprint requirements wouldn't have occurred to me, if I'm honest.)

[Schmo Diddley]

I can't express how angry I am at sam gyimah. he's a fucking shit tory smearing a labour MP on grenfell. he was shit as his job replacing Jo Johnson in HE after the Toby Young nonsense and now he's doing this. if I was inside the M25 I'd be canvassing Kensington like a motherfucker

He's such a little snakey cunt, if that constituency is anything like mine (marginal big target for Lib Dems) the residents will have had about 10 leaflets in the last week. I got 3 today. Smearing labour and bullshit bar charts.

He's basically a Tory on a season long loan to unseat Labour for the yellow Tories. Despicable little smug grinning cunt.

[Cloud]

Honestly thinking of just voting for those with policies closest to my personal views, which would be Green.  Sick every single election in voting age memory of "but it's too important an election to waste your vote!" - fuck it, the system is broken and has been since at least 2010.  It looks likely to be a hung parliament anyway, or Tory majority.  If now's not a good time to add to the "number of votes that didn't count" statistic to help boost the argument for PR, when ever is?

[Lordofthefiles]

Honestly thinking of just voting for those with policies closest to my personal views, which would be Green.  Sick every single election in voting age memory of "but it's too important an election to waste your vote!" - fuck it, the system is broken and has been since at least 2010.  It looks likely to be a hung parliament anyway, or Tory majority.  If now's not a good time to add to the "number of votes that didn't count" statistic to help boost the argument for PR, when ever is?

Good-o.

[Danger Man]

Honestly thinking of just voting for those with policies closest to my personal views, which would be Green. 

As long as the blues and the reds support 'First Past the Post' it doesn't matter which one you vote for. At least a vote for the Greens is a vote based on principles.

[Zetetic]

e at least 2010.  It looks likely to be a hung parliament anyway, or Tory majority.  If now's not a good time to add to the "number of votes that didn't count" statistic to help boost the argument for PR, when ever is?

At an election where the next government will be one sympathetic to PR, likely to win the next election under PR or FPTP, and that is in power elsewhere in the UK under a more proportional system (e.g. mixed member)?

[idunnosomename]

labour winning here (the united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland)

[Cloud]

At an election where the next government will be one sympathetic to PR, likely to win the next election under PR or FPTP, and that is in power elsewhere in the UK under a more proportional system (e.g. mixed member)?

Not sure I understand the question

[colacentral]

You could vote for the Green Party. But then, why would you not vote for Labour instead when they have strong climate change policies, plus the power to actually implement them?

[idunnosomename]

friends of the earth say labour are better than greens on being green

[Zetetic]

Not sure I understand the question

It seems slightly pointless to do anything to "boost the argument for PR" in the context of a plausible Tory majority.

[colacentral]

Ross Kemp supporting Labour candidate in Thornaby:

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/18084276.ross-kemp-thornaby-support-labour-candidate-dr-paul-williams/

He's the gammon neutraliser we need. Get him round every constituency, whatever it takes.

[gib]

Ross Kemp supporting Labour candidate in Thornaby:

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/18084276.ross-kemp-thornaby-support-labour-candidate-dr-paul-williams/

He's the gammon neutraliser we need. Get him round every constituency, whatever it takes.

Mr Kemp said politics had been "pushed to the margins" over the past five years.

He said: "I've met Jeremy and I've talked to Jeremy and as a person I find him engaging, I don't necessarily agree with all the things he says but The Labour Party is a broad church. The most important thing is stopping a Tory majority."

Good lad.

[BritishHobo]

Honestly thinking of just voting for those with policies closest to my personal views, which would be Green.  Sick every single election in voting age memory of "but it's too important an election to waste your vote!" - fuck it, the system is broken and has been since at least 2010.  It looks likely to be a hung parliament anyway, or Tory majority.  If now's not a good time to add to the "number of votes that didn't count" statistic to help boost the argument for PR, when ever is?

Christ it's a shit system. I just know I'm going to stand there Thursday morning torturing myself and wanting to vote Plaid. It's unlikely to make a sod's bit of difference - if my seat turns Tory by anything more than one vote then what would it even have mattered? - but Corbyn is so fucking promising, and it's such an absolute hellish nightmare, how can I vote anyone other than Labour?

ARGH

[Mr_Simnock]

I know it's another way of trying to predict UK election results and they are all flawed in their own unique ways but this seems to have been reasonably accurate over the last 80 years, much more so than other methods. It has at the very least got the overall trend of seat increase/decrease right.

[colacentral]

Good lad.

Speaking of Dr Williams at the event, Mr Kemp said: "What you've got here is someone that I think is unselfish and caring.

"He's proved that by some of the things that he's done - saving the post office, keeping the ticket office open, listening to people and doing something about autism - I think you've helped 4,000 people since you've been here."

Doing something about autism.

[gib]

I know it's another way of trying to predict UK election results and they are all flawed in their own unique ways but this seems to have been reasonably accurate over the last 80 years, much more so than other methods. It has at the very least got the overall trend of seat increase/decrease right.

hairlines there

[Cloud]

You could vote for the Green Party. But then, why would you not vote for Labour instead when they have strong climate change policies, plus the power to actually implement them?

Idealism I suppose plus what Danger Man said, a vote based on principles.  The idea comes up every time, but every time it's countered with "this election is too important, don't waste your vote, vote labour".  Every time I've done the latter.  Eventually you think maybe doing the same thing each time isn't how to achieve change..

It seems slightly pointless to do anything to "boost the argument for PR" in the context of a plausible Tory majority.

Plausible but not certain, particularly taking into account the unreliability of polling and the right wing bias of the media.  However I'd also say the chance of a Labour majority is somewhere between "lol" and "fuck all" so feel like... what's the point

I honestly think if either blue or red were to get a majority, they'd consider FPTP a success and the recent problems with it just a blip from short term partisanship, and any push for PR would quietly disappear

[chveik]

Idealism I suppose plus what Danger Man said, a vote based on principles.  The idea comes up every time, but every time it's countered with "this election is too important, don't waste your vote, vote labour".  Every time I've done the latter.  Eventually you think maybe doing the same thing each time isn't how to achieve change..

do you think that the people here who are campaining and will vote for labour don't have any principles?

[Replies From View]

Honestly thinking of just voting for those with policies closest to my personal views, which would be Green.  Sick every single election in voting age memory of "but it's too important an election to waste your vote!" - fuck it, the system is broken and has been since at least 2010.  It looks likely to be a hung parliament anyway, or Tory majority.  If now's not a good time to add to the "number of votes that didn't count" statistic to help boost the argument for PR, when ever is?

There hasn't been a starker difference between Tory and Labour in your lifetime and if you can't see this I don't know what to say.  If you want Green or socialist issues to exist anywhere other than fringe protests for the foreseeable future then you should be voting Labour.

I voted Green (and once Lib Dem) in elections where Labour looked set to win and just to register a protest vote against things like the Iraq War.  But this election is on a knife-edge and we're talking about the difference between our public sector being sold to US corporations and the only opportunity we'll ever get to undo some of this unrelenting privatisation so we can get it back under control.

The outcome of this election will determine how the UK fits in with the rest of the world for the next several decades.  It is simply not the time to throw your vote away.

[colacentral]

Idealism I suppose plus what Danger Man said, a vote based on principles.  The idea comes up every time, but every time it's countered with "this election is too important, don't waste your vote, vote labour".  Every time I've done the latter.  Eventually you think maybe doing the same thing each time isn't how to achieve change..

Plausible but not certain, particularly taking into account the unreliability of polling and the right wing bias of the media.  However I'd also say the chance of a Labour majority is somewhere between "lol" and "fuck all" so feel like... what's the point

I honestly think if either blue or red were to get a majority, they'd consider FPTP a success and the recent problems with it just a blip from short term partisanship, and any push for PR would quietly disappear

This post is why polling companies exist.

[H-O-W-L]

friends of the earth say labour are better than greens on being green

My biggest hang-up with the Green party is their nuclear policy (both power and weapons) which contradict my own views so heavily they might aswell be the Nazi party in regards to how strongly we're in opposition over them. The fact that one of their deadlocked promises is immediate unilateral disarmament of the UK is actually mental to me, even if I'm pro-disarmament and anti-proliferation. You can't just do that without actually fucking the country unbelievably.

On top of that their anti-nuclear-power stance is really frustrating and worrying because they're meant to be the party for a move into green energy and the like, but I've no idea how they intend to replace fossil fuels overnight with wind power and solar energy -- neither can really meet the needs of this country, and we'd be in a precariously shit position where we'd be buying power from other countries at an even steeper rate than currently. Even moreso, hydroelectric is fucking awful for the environment.

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

I am not sure why you think the energy policy of a political party that is really just an environmental pressure group and who are never going to be elected is 'worrying'. There are freshly redundant ice cream men who invoke far, far more concern.

You could argue it harms their chances electorally by being unrealistic but they could easily turn round and argue that the media would round on them if they signed up to new nuclear power stations. Corbyn got a lot of (brazenly hypocritical) flak on the C4 debate over the same thing.

Also nuclear leaves a horrendous legacy and brutal decommissioning costs, we are in nearly the most naturally advantageous position on the planet to harness wind power and solar power currently has the highest rate of technological improvement in terms of efficiency while economies of scale are making it more cost effective than ever.

Meanwhile many of the things naysayers 10 years ago said were not possible are already happening.

[greenman]

To make another argument here in Stroud you have a green candidate running in an extreme Lab/Tory marginal making a lot of very Lib Demish like claims to having a chance at victory. Presumable looking to get Labour out and then hope to slowly build a Green voter base at the main Tory opposition here which isn't exactly in line with the idea that environmental action is needed at once.

[The Boston Crab]

What about giving the Tories the benefit of the doubt for a change?

They've said they're going to put a load of money into hospitals, schools and the MF 5-0 so why not extend the same courtesy as you do to Labour's 'promises'?

They've also got more experience than Labour at running the government which means they'll be in a better position to hit the ground running on Friday morning. Labour will take a couple months just getting to know the place and the routines which is valuable time wasted, especially over Chrimbo.

[BlodwynPig]

Oh God Paulie must be right. Allison Pearson has DEFINITE PROOF.

https://mobile.twitter.com/allisonpearson/status/1204160375505268740?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Lads, it's all over.

What is all this? A sick child on a floor...its hardly unheard of. Why are they so desperate. Boiling with rage at the madness of Broken Britain 4.0

[BlodwynPig]

I mean its hardly Roswell level conspiracy. Thick dunce cunts deserving mockery and scorn