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Working class Tories are cunts
« on: November 29, 2019, 09:50:26 PM »
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Re: Working class Tories are cunts
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2019, 09:56:43 PM »
All Tories are cunts.

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Re: Working class Tories are cunts
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2019, 01:07:22 AM »
They are also susceptible to superstitions and conspiracy theories.

I'm a working-class peasant, and I have to deal with the dumb fucking opinions of my peers. They'll tell me about some stupid shit they read on the internet, and preach it to me as an important truth. I don't take it seriously, I try to change the subject. But they won't allow me. YOU MUST HEAR IT.

They're talking about witchcraft and secret societies and, well, you get the idea.

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Re: Working class Tories are cunts
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2019, 10:14:53 AM »
My parents will be voting Tory because my dad hates JC. That's it. Seems to be the only reason. There's no arguing and the whole thing saddens me. The fact that they'd benefit from a Labour victory it is something that they just won't listen to.

My dad got laid off a couple years back and spent all the redundancy on just living as he was 'too proud' to sign on (what I know think means he was too embarrassed about not being to use a computer). My mum hasn't earned enough to get a pension and my dad is now out of work again after he fell and snapped his achilles. He was on a minimum wage 0 hour contract so obviously they didn't see any reason to keep him on as he won't be able to walk for another month at least. They're the worst off they've ever been and yet they just don't see that a Tory victory will make things even worse.

Thankfully their vote won't matter because it's a Labour stronghold but it's just a sad state of affairs when there's no diologue to be had. I learned last time to just keep quiet but I want to challenge it because it's not right. I just can't find a way in as any discourse is shut down immediately.

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Re: Working class Tories are cunts
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2019, 10:18:59 AM »
worked in a warehouse where one day it became appareant that every member of staff apart from me didnt beleive in the moon landings.

they had the wikipedia page for the van allen belt bookmarked on the work computer, despite it disproving their theory

i think they thought i would get as far as looking at the pictures on the page, and think

'well, theyve got me there, a WIKIPEDIA PAGE, fuck, maybe wedidnt land on the moon'


Re: Working class Tories are cunts
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2019, 10:58:06 AM »
Thing about moon landing conspiracy people is they only go on about Apollo 11. What about the other Apollo missions? Including the two they fucked up? Oh they probably actually happened whatever

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Re: Working class Tories are cunts
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2019, 11:19:36 AM »
I remember seeing an episode of Joe Rogan's show (I don't normally watch it but it keeps popping up in my recc list) where Neil Degrasse Tyson made the point that the Chinese have photographed the flag and the remains of the original moon landing. And the Chinese have no reason to tell a lie in America's favour.

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Re: Working class Tories are cunts
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2019, 11:41:24 AM »
Please, let's not have another thread about this fucking batshit.

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Re: Working class Tories are cunts
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2019, 11:50:10 AM »
If only biggy were here. I bet he'd have a thing or two to say about all this.

Re: Working class Tories are cunts
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2019, 12:07:14 PM »
No socialist has ever walked on the moon

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Re: Working class Tories are cunts
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2019, 12:07:55 PM »
MEXIT!

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Re: Working class Tories are cunts
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2019, 01:51:04 PM »
Always have been, always will be

Dumb as spoons the fucking lot

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Re: Working class Tories are cunts
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2019, 03:16:14 PM »
I had a Trump supporting Puerto Rican Uber driver the other day tell me that the worst problem facing America was immigration - I was in a pretty good mood, so I really couldn't be arsed to point out that most of his fellow Trump supporters would regard him as an immigrant as a scary amount of them aren't aware that PR is part of the USA, which has allowed Trump to totally stiff them on disaster relief, and then blame them for the consequences without his base raising an eyebrow.

The second worst thing, according to him, is post-birth abortions. I couldn't help myself.

'That's actually a bit of a myth.'

'What?'

'There's actually no such thing. There are cases when babies are born braindead who are then allowed to die, or they are dead in the womb and births are induced, but post-birth abortion has no basis in fact.'

'No, it's real! They put it in a statute'

'Who did?'

'The state governor. He put it in a statute!'

'Northam didn't say that. He said that he'd allow a late-term abortion to save the mother's life. There's no such thing as post-birth abortion. Honestly, look it up. On my mother's* grave, it's just not a real thing. My wife works in child protection and my friend is a pediatrician - this is something they have to tell people on a weekly basis because this is a myth that has just got out of hand.'

*awkward silence that lasted about five minutes, then ...*

'Ayy, I'm not really political - I don't care about Republicans or Democrats. They're all just lining their pockets. I just think it's crazy people think that we can go to the doctor for free or not pay to have to go to college.'

'Well, it works where I'm from.'

'Where's that?'

'Scotland. We've got the NHS, and we scrapped tuition fees a good while ago.'

'Oh yeah, how's that paid for? How high are your taxes?'

'When you add what I pay for in healthcare, what I paid there, I pretty much paid the same as I do here'

'Yeah, but are the hospitals good? Do you have to wait for stuff?'

'Eh, depends what you need done. It's not like you have to wait around for heart surgery though. But it's all getting privatised.'

'And that's making it better?'

'Noooo. It's destroying it. Services are being cut because they're not profitable, and people are dying in corridors because there are no beds in hospitals that are being run by private firms!'

*more silence, so then I told him the true story about when we first moved here and cleaned out our bank account for a deposit on our house, then our 2-year-old daughter got the flu, but because someone, somewhere filed her form incorrectly it meant she wasn't covered by the state Medicare for under-5s, and we couldn't afford the $100 to take her to see a doctor. So we had to wait a couple of days giving her paracetmol, hoping that we didn't need to go to A&E and herald our arrival to the New World with a ten-grand medical bill, crossing our fingers that it wasn't something more serious until some money came through for some work I'd done, so we could finally go and get her looked at.*

'Pretty sick, huh? Having to rely on someone putting the right number on a form somewhere so that your kid can see a doctor?'

' ….. yeah …. ' then more silence.

Then we finally arrived. I was waiting for a 'if you hate it so much here etc etc', but instead he shook my hand and thanked me for an interesting conversation - gave me a 5-star rating too. I'm under no illusions that I changed his mind about anything, but yer man's total silence when offered something that contradicted his worldview was his 'Yeah, well you can prove anything with facts', I'd like to think.

* still alive. I lied.








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Re: Working class Tories are cunts
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2019, 05:32:27 PM »
Its disingenuous to say tuition fees are totally scrapped in Scotland, a very large chunk of students here are from England/Wales/N. Ireland or are non EU international students who do have to pay for it. Hundreds of millions of pounds in tuition fees.

The universities also double as property agents lately basically. They transform neighbourhoods overnight, contribute massively to the soaring housing prices and profit incredibly from it.

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Re: Working class Tories are cunts
« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2019, 05:51:10 PM »
Its disingenuous to say tuition fees are totally scrapped in Scotland.

Not if you're Scottish.

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The universities also double as property agents lately basically. They transform neighbourhoods overnight, contribute massively to the soaring housing prices and profit incredibly from it.

Hardly exclusive to Scotland, or 'non-profit' education establishments. You should see what VCU are doing to where I live

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Re: Working class Tories are cunts
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2019, 06:07:29 PM »
The universities also double as property agents lately basically. They transform neighbourhoods overnight, contribute massively to the soaring housing prices and profit incredibly from it.

Most of those student flats are run by private companies on behalf of universities - it would be better if universities were actual landlords, but subcontracting is the neoliberal way to save money when central government funding is being cut.

I'd like you to explain to me how increasing the supply of housing raises its price, though.

Re: Working class Tories are cunts
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2019, 08:59:09 PM »
Edit: Never mind. Nearly done a politics there.
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Re: Working class Tories are cunts
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2019, 09:03:40 PM »
Its disingenuous to say tuition fees are totally scrapped in Scotland, a very large chunk of students here are from England/Wales/N. Ireland or are non EU international students who do have to pay for it. Hundreds of millions of pounds in tuition fees.

The universities also double as property agents lately basically. They transform neighbourhoods overnight, contribute massively to the soaring housing prices and profit incredibly from it.

I used to live in Copenhagen, and all EU students not only get free tuition etc, they get paid! And all classes are streamed over internet in case you can attend and all almost all in English.

Re: Working class Tories are cunts
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2019, 09:26:16 PM »
Most of the ones I know are people I knew as a schoolchild and haven’t seen in twenty years, though they’ve added me on Facebook.  I keep them on there as a personal sociological experiment.

Of the many things they’ve taught me, I’ve learned that they’re the type who had gaudy ‘lest we forget’ poppy porn added around their photo a month ago.  Apparently they won’t forget a war they never saw, but can’t remember what the Tories have done to the working classes of the North in their lifetimes.  Cunts.

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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2019, 09:29:15 PM »
Most of the ones I know are people I knew as a schoolchild and haven’t seen in twenty years, though they’ve added me on Facebook.  I keep them on there as a personal sociological experiment.

Of the many things they’ve taught me, I’ve learned that they’re the type who had gaudy ‘lest we forget’ poppy porn added around their photo.  Apparently they won’t forget a war they never saw, but can’t remember what the Tories have done to the working classes of the North in their lifetimes.  Cunts.

I’ve see loads of posts from people in the colliery towns around the North East praising Thatcher for her stance on terrorism say ISIS would be ‘was was’ and how they want her around to deal with the EU, stupid, stupid, stupid, ignorant cunts

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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2019, 09:37:28 PM »
I’ve see loads of posts from people in the colliery towns around the North East praising Thatcher for her stance on terrorism say ISIS would be ‘was was’ and how they want her around to deal with the EU, stupid, stupid, stupid, ignorant cunts

Likewise.  If the comments from former school friends in the west end of Newcastle (most will have former miners for parents or grandparents) are anything to go by, she ‘wouldn’t have taken any shit’.

And don’t get me started on the comments on the Evening Chronicle website.  Truly depressing nonsense from the thick as shit.

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Re: Working class Tories are cunts
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2019, 09:56:42 PM »
I'd like you to explain to me how increasing the supply of housing raises its price, though.

To play devil's advocate, I suppose if you have a single profit-driven educational monolith buying up almost the property surrounding the university, turning them into student apartments etc, then they get to name the price and create a knock-on effect of price increases and gentrification. That's what is happening here in Richmond, VA. A lot of folk are getting squeezed out of historically poor (ie black) neighbourhoods as the university sprawl widens. There are some really underhand tactics going on with the city and VCU colluding to evict underprivileged black families from their homes in the Courts (Richmond's housing projects) using purchase orders with incredibly draconian stipulations that are near impossible to comply with. Thus they default on the purchase order and are evicted without the city having to provide alternative accommodations.* So, technically the housing stock is increasing, but so are the prices, and the folk at the bottom are shafted once again.

But that's America - I'm pretty sure this is not what Strathclyde Uni or Heriot-Watt are up to. Well, certainly not to the same scale. 

*This, thankfully, got shot down when it went to a council vote, but only because people got motivated, and swamped the meeting Show Me A Hero-style (but in a righteous way). The councillors (centrist Virginia Democrats, naturally) basically tried to protect their eviction bill in a closed-doors session, away from the public eye. Thank fuck they didn’t. One interested party – a former councillor who now runs a PR firm with ties to property businesses – went as far as hiring day labourers from the Courts and nearby to protest against the protesters for $25, and then went on Facebook to say that ‘white socialists stormed the meeting to try and silence the black community and deny them what was in their best interests'. This place is fucking sick, man.

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Re: Working class Tories are cunts
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2019, 10:43:13 PM »
'Noooo. It's destroying it. Services are being cut because they're not profitable, and people are dying in corridors because there are no beds in hospitals that are being run by private firms!'
In NHS Scotland?

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Re: Working class Tories are cunts
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2019, 10:50:34 PM »
To play devil's advocate, I suppose if you have a single profit-driven educational monolith buying up almost the property surrounding the university, turning them into student apartments etc, then they get to name the price and create a knock-on effect of price increases and gentrification. That's what is happening here in Richmond, VA. A lot of folk are getting squeezed out of historically poor (ie black) neighbourhoods as the university sprawl widens. There are some really underhand tactics going on with the city and VCU colluding to evict underprivileged black families from their homes in the Courts (Richmond's housing projects) using purchase orders with incredibly draconian stipulations that are near impossible to comply with. Thus they default on the purchase order and are evicted without the city having to provide alternative accommodations.* So, technically the housing stock is increasing, but so are the prices, and the folk at the bottom are shafted once again.

But that's America - I'm pretty sure this is not what Strathclyde Uni or Heriot-Watt are up to. Well, certainly not to the same scale. 

*This, thankfully, got shot down when it went to a council vote, but only because people got motivated, and swamped the meeting Show Me A Hero-style (but in a righteous way). The councillors (centrist Virginia Democrats, naturally) basically tried to protect their eviction bill in a closed-doors session, away from the public eye. Thank fuck they didn’t. One interested party – a former councillor who now runs a PR firm with ties to property businesses – went as far as hiring day labourers from the Courts and nearby to protest against the protesters for $25, and then went on Facebook to say that ‘white socialists stormed the meeting to try and silence the black community and deny them what was in their best interests'. This place is fucking sick, man.

That sounds terrible but I don't think that's what's happening where I live.

In Brighton, it's mostly new builds, which should take some pressure off the existing housing stock. You could argue that the universities are using land that could have been used to build non-student housing but there's precious little housebuilding going on anyway.

Regarding gentrification, that's been a problem in this town for a couple of decades, mostly caused by the improved rail links to London.

Re: Working class Tories are cunts
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2019, 10:36:34 AM »
All Tories are cunts.

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Re: Working class Tories are cunts
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2019, 01:38:00 PM »
In NHS Scotland?

Well, no. We were talking about the general difference between US healthcare and the NHS as a whole by that point after a lengthy discussion about tax rates that I left out for the purposes of not boring people to death. But point taken. That said, there is a PFI/PPP timebomb awaiting NHS Scotland soon enough, with billions owed on projects that should have cost a fraction of what they ended up being.

You could (and I would) argue that this is a direct consequence of decades of Tory underfunding despite us being 'The Sick Man of Europe', and the Scottish Exec (both under Labour and the SNP) didn't have much choice but to submit to the predatory whims of parasitical cunts like Skanska etc to modernise extremely crumbly hospitals as it had no tax-collecting powers of its own.

Prior to that, just like knife crime and the Poll Tax, we were way ahead of the rest of the country in 'My Nan lay dead for three days in her hospital bed, and it was only because the bowls of jelly put on the tray in front of her had piled so high that they fell over when nurses realised she'd carked it' stories, too.

I used to say that BBC Reporting Scotland should have its own Hospital News programme for people wanting to really stay up to speed with the state of Scottish healthcare, because - from about ages 10 to 18 - all I can remember is the top story invariably being something about HIV-infected blood banks, auld wifies being told that they had to wait 20 years for a cataract operation that they could have gotten quicker in a field hospital in Ethiopia, or a Victorian turret collapsing onto an emphysema ward etc etc EVERY FUCKING NIGHT.
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Re: Working class Tories are cunts
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2019, 01:46:21 PM »
That sounds terrible but I don't think that's what's happening where I live.


No, I didn't think so. And come to think of it, Strathclyde Uni kind of did it in reverse. They sold off the lovely Art Deco halls of residence on Sauchiehall Street to BTL and Airbnb cunts, and used a fraction of the money they got to build sub-standard student accommodation where the doors didn't lock properly, windows wouldn't open, thus creating mouldy walls that ravaged people with diseases not seen since the Middle Ages, and nursing students were forced to undress in full view of Cumbernauld teenagers ensconced on a nearby hillock (I might be conflating that last one with something else …)

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Re: Working class Tories are cunts
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2019, 03:01:31 PM »
All these cunts that want THE EMPIRE back don't realize they'd be working on the Thames looking for shiny gold amongst human waste, do they?

And I say this as a minimum-wage shitworker. I'd rather slop out burger friers all my life than have to go back to that level of early-industrial manual shitwork. No lathes for me, guvner.

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Re: Working class Tories are cunts
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2019, 01:15:53 AM »
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Re: Working class Tories are cunts
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2019, 01:43:46 AM »
Working class Tories are cunts

Always have been, always will be

Dumb as spoons the fucking lot