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No Time To Die (Bond 25)

Started by Blue Jam, December 04, 2019, 02:55:16 PM

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Quote from: greenman on August 31, 2020, 11:50:10 AM
That happens at the start of For Your Eyes Only as well doesn't it? Bond gets stuck behind some stereotypical Frenchmen.

It also has this little aside


SavageHedgehog

More like Bore Yawn Eyes Homely. "Ooh, I'm in the mood for that Roger Moore Bond that has none of the things that make them fun".

greenman

Topol and a man in a diving suit with claws.

A young Charles Dance getting slotted.


lipsink

Best Bond movie for each Bond

Connery: Goldfinger
Lazenby: OHMSS (I guess)
Moore: Live and Let Die
Dalton: The Living Daylights
Brosnan: Goldeneye
Craig: Casino Royale

I'm really hoping No Time To Die ends Craigs era on a good note. Casino Royale is probably the best of the entire series and Skyfall is definitely up there.

El Unicornio, mang

Agree with those although I'd go for From Russia With Love for Connery. I actually like OHMSS a lot, although I only think Lazenby is any good for the fighting scenes. He does a pretty good job of handling the emotional/vulnerable moments too, to be fair.

JaDanketies

Billie Eilish's theme for this Bond movie is great and I reckon that doing a Bond theme is a strong indicator that she'll be a pop star for years and years.

Shit Good Nose

Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on September 01, 2020, 01:30:19 PM
I actually like OHMSS a lot, although I only think Lazenby is any good for the fighting scenes. He does a pretty good job of handling the emotional/vulnerable moments too, to be fair.

Am I right in saying that he shags the most women on OHMSS as well?  He defo goes through the whole lot staying at Blofeld's place.

LEGEND JAMESY

bgmnts

Quote from: JaDanketies on September 01, 2020, 01:36:55 PM
Billie Eilish's theme for this Bond movie is great and I reckon that doing a Bond theme is a strong indicator that she'll be a pop star for years and years.

Truth be told I quite enjoy singing along to the Sam Smith one, even if it's meant to be crap.

lipsink

Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on September 01, 2020, 01:30:19 PM
Agree with those although I'd go for From Russia With Love for Connery. I actually like OHMSS a lot, although I only think Lazenby is any good for the fighting scenes. He does a pretty good job of handling the emotional/vulnerable moments too, to be fair.

Yeah From Russia With Love is a close second for me. I'd rather watch Diamonds Are Forever over Thunderball and You Only Live Twice. I genuinely don't know why it's looked down on so much. I kinda love that early 70s vibe to it. Mark Gatiss, I remember described it as "looking like the 1960s had gone off".

I do also enjoy OHMSS but the long stretch where Bond is in character as someone else (just as we're getting to know his Bond) is infuriating.

El Unicornio, mang

Quote from: lipsink on September 01, 2020, 06:33:26 PM

I do also enjoy OHMSS but the long stretch where Bond is in character as someone else (just as we're getting to know his Bond) is infuriating.

Yeah, not a fan of that section of the film. Not helped by him being dubbed by another actor for those scenes.

Shit Good Nose

Quote from: lipsink on September 01, 2020, 06:33:26 PM
Yeah From Russia With Love is a close second for me. I'd rather watch Diamonds Are Forever over Thunderball and You Only Live Twice. I genuinely don't know why it's looked down on so much. I kinda love that early 70s vibe to it. Mark Gatiss, I remember described it as "looking like the 1960s had gone off".

It's like the creative team on the 60s Batman (series and film) were let loose on Bond, but oddly has an out-of-place realistic car chase that belongs in a 70s American cop thriller, which is not only unusual for the tone of Diamonds but is also uncharacteristic of Bond films generally.

Mister Six

Quote from: Captain Z on August 30, 2020, 05:12:45 PM
Is Goldeneye the one where he freefalls off a cliff and CATCHES UP WITH A PLANE, gets inside and pilots it to safety, in a time that would make the cliff face about 10km high?

I also got annoyed in SPECTRE when he takes out Blofeld's entire desert base with a couple of bullets towards the end. Makes me think of the Family Guy Death Star bit.

More annoyed at dozens of mooks failing to hit Bond while he - immediately following some daft thing that was supposed to fuck with his inner ear - scores headshots on the lot of them.

So fucking lazy.

Kelvin

The latter half of Spectre just feel like a completely different film from the first half. The tone is completely different, much more in keeping with the melancholy of Skyfall; all those quiet shots at the funeral, the sequence with Bellucci walking outside expecting to be shot, the shadowy Spectre meeting. It feels like the next logical step for the reboots to take.

Then he escapes from the meeting, jumps in his car, and the entire thing turns into a Brosnan film with added Moore jokes. Erratically paced, no grounding in reality whatsoever, no real theme, and no chemistry with either his love interest or the villain. So much potential squandered by it's obvious rewrites.

lipsink

#134
The moment in No Time To Die where I was like "Ah, we're in Moore territory" is where he falls off the building and last perfectly on a sofa holding a bit of the building. The atmosphere after that with the funeral, Bellucci and the Spectre meeting yeah I loved all that.  Has a real haunted quality to it but as you say the car chase and it all becomes a bit meh.

I'm really liking that trailer of 'No Time To Die' from the start of the year, particularly the snow scenes with the baddie so I'm a bit more optimistic.

I still think there's a lot to like about Moore's films. His performance as Bond is pretty flawless and he owns the part. He's just obviously a bit too old for it. I'm sure I've mentioned it before but little serious moments like when his reaction to his wife being mentioned in 'The Spy Who Loved Me' ("Alright you've made your point") and him kicking that cunt's car off the cliff in 'For Your Eyes Only' show that the guy really can act too.

Thomas

I hope No Time to Die comes equipped with a fresh, original score. One atmospheric factor that hampered Spectre from the very first scene was its close rehash of the Skyfall score. The music in Skyfall was so tied to specific sequences that it feels lazily pasted in. Really flattens the action.

A shame - especially as the trailer for Spectre teased a variation of the OHMSS theme.

greenman

Quote from: Kelvin on September 01, 2020, 07:32:22 PM
The latter half of Spectre just feel like a completely different film from the first half. The tone is completely different, much more in keeping with the melancholy of Skyfall; all those quiet shots at the funeral, the sequence with Bellucci walking outside expecting to be shot, the shadowy Spectre meeting. It feels like the next logical step for the reboots to take.

Then he escapes from the meeting, jumps in his car, and the entire thing turns into a Brosnan film with added Moore jokes. Erratically paced, no grounding in reality whatsoever, no real theme, and no chemistry with either his love interest or the villain. So much potential squandered by it's obvious rewrites.

To be fair I don't think the Craig Bonds ever aimed much at "reality" its always been a slightly over the top flash exoticism to them relative to say the Bourne films and I think having Seydoux as someone who doesn't just fall into his arms was a good idea. Indeed I think they did a much better job with giving her character some drama than his, just having Blofeld as an adoptive brother and some links back to the previous films was pretty shallow relative to what they'd managed in SKyfall and previously.

Kelvin

Quote from: greenman on September 02, 2020, 05:21:30 PM
To be fair I don't think the Craig Bonds ever aimed much at "reality" its always been a slightly over the top flash exoticism to them relative to say the Bourne films and I think having Seydoux as someone who doesn't just fall into his arms was a good idea. Indeed I think they did a much better job with giving her character some drama than his, just having Blofeld as an adoptive brother and some links back to the previous films was pretty shallow relative to what they'd managed in SKyfall and previously.

It's more that the tone becomes much goofier, more shallow from that car chase onwards. The first half of the film might feature twirling helicopters (which is an incredible scene), gangster funerals and secretive meetings, but it's all played pretty straight, and is consistently tense and atmospheric. The car chase feels like a left turn into Moore-style silliness, and although it never quite hits that low again, the rest of the film feels messier, less focused than what we'd seen up until that point. It doesn't seem to know what sort of film it is anymore - Serious, silly? Throwaway, thoughtful? - and it just jumps around from location to location, idea to idea, without any of it feeling cohesive like the storyline in the first half.

I don't think it helps that Spectre and Blofeld feel really dangerous when their secretive and working in the shadows, but very boring and generic once Bond knows about them. Blofeld even seems to change character, from a quiet, thoughtful, but ruthless man, to a silly, giggling goofball.   

lipsink

The idea of Blofield being Bond's stepbrother is so stupid plus Christoph Waltz just felt wasted. Perhaps they'll fix it in 'No Time To Die', ignore the stepbrother stuff and just give the actor something to actually do.

Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth

Quote from: lipsink on September 02, 2020, 07:50:35 PM
The idea of Blofield being Bond's stepbrother is just so stupid
Not least because it had already been done in one of the Austin Powers films.

HMS Bedford has quite the all-star senior officers.

Always enjoy Tomorrow Never Dies a bit more than I'd expect to.

idunnosomename

best Bond video game: Goldeneye

bgmnts

Have you re-played in the past 20 years though? I have no idea how I was able to play that. Kids today have got it made.

I made the mistake of buying "Goldeneye: Rogue Agent" for the PS2 from a charity shop. Not only was it shit, you're not even James Bond in it!

El Unicornio, mang

Quote from: bgmnts on September 02, 2020, 11:58:42 PM
Have you re-played in the past 20 years though? I have no idea how I was able to play that. Kids today have got it made.

Goldeneye kids had it made! I spent a whole summer playing this one as a kid



Although it was a massive step up from


shagatha crustie

Having sung its praises upthread, I rewatched Goldeneye and it's got great bits but is 70% daft as a brush. Sorry everyone.

Thomas

Another trailer. I actually feel very hopeful for this.

Doesn't seem too orange-and-teal, either. EDIT: actually does

Old Nehamkin

I never really got on with Goldeneye. I love Brosnan and Bean and it seems to have all the constituent elements that should make a great Bond film, but there's just something hollow about it. It feels infused with a sort of ineffable New Labour/Britpop/End of History sensibility - a kind of complacent smugness that doesn't quite suit the series. A little too pleased with itself and a little too self-consciously trendy. The bits with Judi Dench calling Bond a misogynist dinosaur and the opening titles with sexy ladies knocking down statues of Lenin are all well and good, but they just feel a touch too tailor-made for film critics to approvingly nod to as they breathlessly explained to their readers that Bond had become sexy and modern and self-aware now.

Then again, my favourite Brosnan entry by a mile is Die Another Day, which I think is joyously entertaining from start to finish and one of the most unfairly maligned blockbusters of all time, so please take my opinion with a pinch of salt.

Shit Good Nose


El Unicornio, mang

Quote from: Thomas on September 03, 2020, 12:22:52 PM
Another trailer. I actually feel very hopeful for this.

Doesn't seem too orange-and-teal, either. EDIT: actually does

This looks fabulous.