Author Topic: No Time To Die (Bond 25)  (Read 8545 times)

Old Nehamkin

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #150 on: September 03, 2020, 12:48:08 PM »
Yeah looks cool. Plane that goes underwater. Yes, good. This is the kind of thing that Bond films should have in them.

Thomas

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #151 on: September 03, 2020, 12:59:16 PM »
And a villainous scheme that threatens millions. Going big bolshy Bond for Craig's final outing.

Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #152 on: September 03, 2020, 01:04:14 PM »
Bloody hell, that looks great. Daft and spectacular. Looks like all involved have remembered Bond films work best as escapism, not a dour dwelling on the life of a miserable spy.

Old Nehamkin

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #153 on: September 03, 2020, 01:06:36 PM »
Yeah, I'm cautiously excited that they seem to be taking a bit of a step back into the big, maximalist action-adventure territory they've largely ceded to the Mission Impossible films for the last 20 years. Hopefully this film is as grand and romantic as the trailer makes it look and there isn't too much leaden continuity-wallowing or a boring MI6-bound B story that feels like an episode of Spooks.

Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #154 on: September 03, 2020, 01:12:19 PM »
I'd watch the new trailer, but I simply do not have the time

Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #155 on: September 03, 2020, 02:59:36 PM »
Having sung its praises upthread, I rewatched Goldeneye and it's got great bits but is 70% daft as a brush. Sorry everyone.
Goldeneye has some great set-pieces, a theoretically excellent cast, and a potentially interesting story, but it seems somehow to fail miserably to put it all together. Maybe it's that Bond destroying Moscow in a tank and Alan Cumming mugging frantically don't fit well in a film about British historical guilt and ancient loyalties and betrayals. Maybe it doesn't communicate a sense that the world is in imminent danger, or any tension or urgency. Or maybe it's that Brosnan is kind of a vacuum with no personality (despite how often Dench and others insist he has a personality). Or maybe it's just Sean Bean being exceptionally Sean Beany.

Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #156 on: September 03, 2020, 03:08:05 PM »
Brilliant trailer, exactly the kind of thing that had me doing Partridge Bond moves when I came out of the Camden Odeon as a ten year old having seen Living Daylights with my nan.

Thomas

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #157 on: September 03, 2020, 06:36:51 PM »
I've visited a fan wiki to remind myself exactly of how Spectre retconned the previous three films:

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It also turned out that Le Chiffre was a pawn alongside White, Dominic Greene and Raoul Silva, all of them used by Ernst Stavro Blofeld as part of his true plot to inflict psychological pain on Bond and conquer the world.

That really is monumentally stupid, isn't it? There's no way you can watch Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, and Skyfall, and satisfyingly imagine that Blofeld is somehow vaguely 'behind it all' solely for the sake of personally upsetting James Bond (presumably not bothering to author any pain between 2006 and 2012).

Take Le Chiffre alone. Banker to dictators and terrorists. Fine. So the idea is that Blofeld gets Mr. White to hire Le Chiffre on behalf of a Ugandan terrorist, just on the minuscule off chance that MI6 will send his newly qualified brother along to investigate (and on the even slighter off chance that he will suffer finely tuned 'psychological pain' rather than simply dying/succeeding). Did he also specifically plan for Bond to meet and fall in love with Vesper?

Stupid. Not even good stupid, like sliding down a hill on a cello.

Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #158 on: September 03, 2020, 07:15:22 PM »
Yep it is utterly unsatisfying as a twist. More patronising than electrifying.

It's one of those plot elements that's so unconvincing you can't even really accept it as canon, if you know what I mean. It might as well be a crap fan theory you found on Reddit.

Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #159 on: September 04, 2020, 06:36:49 PM »
I suspect a lot of it comes down to Blofeld being grafted onto the script when the Thunderball rights issues were sorted out, a cheap way to try and link him into Bond. Another problem I'd say they had is that Spectre is still rooted in the kind of villainous ambition of the Craig era which is a level below the world domination we expect from the character. Malik in the new film does look like a return to the apocalyptic level badguys of the Moore era.

Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #160 on: September 04, 2020, 09:32:02 PM »
Daniel Craig (52) is almost the same age Sean Connery was in Never Say Never Again (53). That's on TV now and he looks about sixty.

EDIT: Sean Connery was 52 when it was filmed. I guess it really is time for Craig to hang up the cummerbund, although he could pass for mid-forties.

Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #161 on: September 04, 2020, 10:22:34 PM »
Roger Moore managed to play the role until he was 58! There's movie stars around that age (Tom Cruise (58), Brad Pitt (56), Keanu (56) who don't look out of place in action roles. Liam Neeson is almost 70! I think Craig has been fed up with the role for years now, but I think I'd quite happily do another one for the £20 million he was paid. Or for free.

Connery said himself in interviews that he always looked 10 years older than he was, definitely thought he was older than 32 in Dr. No.

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