Author Topic: No Time To Die (Bond 25)  (Read 3510 times)

Mister Six

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2019, 01:06:26 PM »
Spectre killed my interest in current Bond; rehashing the lasts act of Casino Royale and bolting the start of Skyfall onto it isn't doing much to revive it.

The bit with the bike made me go "wooo" until I remembered it's just a slightly more vertical version of that bit in Quantum of Solace.

Lovely cinematography, though.

Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #31 on: December 05, 2019, 01:20:11 PM »
Hey, Doctor Jones, No Time To Die!

Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2019, 03:03:02 PM »
The bit with the bike made me go "wooo" until I remembered it's just a slightly more vertical version of that bit in Quantum of Solace.

There was something about the way he rode a motorcycle: Slightly more vertical than usual.

Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2019, 07:24:01 PM »
Spectre killed my interest in current Bond; rehashing the lasts act of Casino Royale and bolting the start of Skyfall onto it isn't doing much to revive it.

The bit with the bike made me go "wooo" until I remembered it's just a slightly more vertical version of that bit in Quantum of Solace.

Lovely cinematography, though.

The disappointment with Spectre for me was that parts of it were very good(the opening, the section with Mr White and Bond/Swann in Morocco pre Blofeld) only for the film as a whole to be a bit of a mess that unsuccessfully tried to revive the Moorish aspects of the franchise. This film does seem like its a bit of an attempt to have a second bite at the cherry with the same kind of stuff in something a bit more down to earth.

Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2019, 09:37:36 PM »
Both the Connery and Dalton era Aston Martins make an appearance in that trailer. I hope there's room for Roger's Lotus in the finished product.

Mister Six

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2019, 12:07:10 AM »
The disappointment with Spectre for me was that parts of it were very good(the opening, the section with Mr White and Bond/Swann in Morocco pre Blofeld) only for the film as a whole to be a bit of a mess that unsuccessfully tried to revive the Moorish aspects of the franchise. This film does seem like its a bit of an attempt to have a second bite at the cherry with the same kind of stuff in something a bit more down to earth.

The opening was grand but I thought the rest was pish. It basically tried to fit Bond tropes onto a generic Hollywood framework, including the enemy being a hitherto unheard-of relative, the hero falling in "love" with some rando (even if she did look amazing in that dress) and him giving it all up in an all-conceived (and nonsensical given what we know about Craig's Bond) "character arc". Really awkward, on the whole.

H-O-W-L

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #36 on: December 06, 2019, 03:25:38 AM »
Reading about how it's yet another polished up Purvis & Wade script just fills me with inertia. I'm sure I say this every time a new Bond film is due out, but really, really, are there no other writers currently working whom the producers could tap to hammer out a Bond premise? Not one? I know the likes of Phoebe Brillo-Wedge and Paul Haggis have been involved in rewrites, but the fact so many other writers are required to punch up their material just makes me wonder why these two hacks keep getting the prestige gig over and over.

We were nearly shot of them when Danny Boyle was still attached to direct, as he wanted to use his regular scriptwriter John Hodge. But once Boyle was out, back they came again like Phil Mitchell's head silently rising out of the toilet.

I would gladly write them a script. It'd probably be a Batman movie with Bond spliced in but fuck it.

kidsick5000

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #37 on: December 06, 2019, 05:53:15 AM »
Both the Connery and Dalton era Aston Martins make an appearance in that trailer. I hope there's room for Roger's Lotus in the finished product.

I hear he rides off in it, driving down a beach into open water, middle finger raised from the window, ending with that immortal line "BYEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

kalowski

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #38 on: December 06, 2019, 06:37:32 AM »
Impossible for me not to hear this in the style of that Monty Python sketch. You've fucked it, Bond.
Same here. I was going to add to the "little moments in comedy" thread because it's been on my mind.

Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #39 on: December 06, 2019, 09:20:50 AM »
It looks OK, although I agree with a lot of the points raised so far, including some surprising echoes of Die Another Day (although I have a bit of a soft spot for that personally). I'm also not convinced by Malek and got tired of Waltz quickly after Inglorious Basterds, so it might be a bit of a bust for me villains-wise

Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #40 on: December 06, 2019, 09:52:47 AM »
I would say probably Craig's biggest weakness as Bond is that he can't really go toe to toe with the villains verbally.

Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #41 on: December 06, 2019, 10:35:44 AM »
I would say probably Craig's biggest weakness as Bond is that he can't really go toe to toe with the villains verbally.

He would if he had some decent fucken dialogue.

BLOFELD: Why did you come?

BOND : I came here to kill you.

BLOFELD: And I thought you came here to die.

BOND: Well, it's all a matter of perspective.

?????? No it isn't Bond what are you on about?

Cardenio I

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #42 on: December 06, 2019, 11:32:52 AM »
Can't this cunt just do a mission anymore, everything's gotta be a fucking existential examination of himself.

Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #43 on: December 06, 2019, 11:36:37 AM »
Yeah I'd argue he's the worst man for the job these days. Always doubting himself and getting a cobb on over some personal beef. Just shag the birds and shoot the bad sods, James. You're getting paid for it.

Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #44 on: December 06, 2019, 11:37:28 AM »
I would gladly write them a script. It'd probably be a Batman movie with Bond spliced in but fuck it.

"I'm Bond!"

Butchers Blind

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #45 on: December 06, 2019, 12:02:43 PM »
How much is James Bond paid?  Flash cars, high end drinks and sabbaticals in exotic locations can't be cheap.

thecuriousorange

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #46 on: December 06, 2019, 12:50:23 PM »
He doesn't get to keep any of it. None of that stuff is his. All MI5 staff have to swan around in this year's Bugatti or Lamborghini. It heps them keep a low profile when they just need to blend in.

Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #47 on: December 06, 2019, 01:23:15 PM »
His expense receipts are the definition of taking the piss. It's the reason M despises him.

Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #48 on: December 06, 2019, 01:31:42 PM »
I wonder if that's why Q makes all those really naff gadgets, just to spend his allotted budget.

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #49 on: December 06, 2019, 03:34:24 PM »
I'd like to see Bond really get stuck in to the Alcoholics Anonymous 12 steps program.

kalowski

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #50 on: December 06, 2019, 03:46:41 PM »
Hope Bond gets a maximum of 45p per mile.

Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #51 on: December 06, 2019, 03:47:56 PM »
I'd like to see Bond really get stuck in to the Alcoholics Anonymous 12 steps program.

Making amends to those he's harmed would be a bastard and a half.

Thomas

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #52 on: December 06, 2019, 04:04:44 PM »
Can't this cunt just do a mission anymore, everything's gotta be a fucking existential examination of himself.

The 'mysterious personal history' angle was bang on for Skyfall, being as it was a meta-theme for the fiftieth anniversary, but for some reason they persisted with it in Spectre, culminating with the stupid 'secret brother who orchestrated everything all along' reveal. Hopefully Blofeld explains in this one that he was only joking. I see some parallels with Sherlock, and the things that went wrong in that series. Too inward-looking, too character-focused in weird ways.

On the other hand, the very idea of James Bond - the imperialist, white supremacist, misogynistic weapon of the state - doesn't make sense as a hero any more (he ends up going rogue or retiring in every film now, just so he can remain loosely on the side of the good guys in this post-Snowden era), so fuck it. They should go mad with it. Reveal that he's next in line to the throne, or that MI6 have invented time travel and he has to go back to Moonraker and fuck an alien. Flashback where he kills Jeffrey Epstein.

Jerzy Bondov

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #53 on: December 06, 2019, 04:14:37 PM »
They should have him go properly rogue and bring down an evil British government. Maybe you couldn't make another Bond film in that continuity after that but it would be GREAT

Thomas

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #54 on: December 06, 2019, 04:17:34 PM »
James Bond will return in
Climate of Fear

Commander Bond's Aston Martin is held up by an Extinction Rebellion demonstration. Initially pissed off, the ageing spy - who is past his prime in this one - begins to wonder if they have a point, and whether he might be able to abuse his position in the Secret Intelligence Service to further their aims...

Zetetic

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #55 on: December 06, 2019, 05:12:06 PM »
too character-focused in weird ways.
Think this is an interesting point, and it not only covers Sherlock but also probably Moffat's Doctor Who.

A prevailing belief you've got to do stuff that seems to flesh out and develop characters coupled with an aggressively determined lack of interest in actual human emotions and attitudes - so you have to hurl out all sorts of incoherent shit on characters' pasts to give the impression of history and depth.

chveik

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #56 on: December 06, 2019, 05:34:05 PM »
Think this is an interesting point, and it not only covers Sherlock but also probably Moffat's Doctor Who.

A prevailing belief you've got to do stuff that seems to flesh out and develop characters coupled with an aggressively determined lack of interest in actual human emotions and attitudes - so you have to hurl out all sorts of incoherent shit on characters' pasts to give the impression of history and depth.

that is spot on. I expect Moffat will do the same thing in his upcoming Dracula series.

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #57 on: December 06, 2019, 05:41:27 PM »
Yeah I'd argue he's the worst man for the job these days. Always doubting himself and getting a cobb on over some personal beef. Just shag the birds and shoot the bad sods, James. You're getting paid for it.

That's why I have no interest in modern Bond movies.  I liked the old movies for being a daft old bit of frivolous fun.  I don't want to watch a dark and gritty James Bond, full of introspection and moody brooding.  Just shove a fella in a wheelchair down a chimney and call it a day.  Is that too much to ask?

Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #58 on: December 06, 2019, 05:46:35 PM »
So do we reckon the title means a) "This is a really bad time to die", b) "There isn't enough time to die", or c) a deliberately ambiguous combo?

Thomas

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #59 on: December 06, 2019, 06:04:27 PM »
The reveal will be an Australian character actually saying 'no time today'.

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