Author Topic: No Time To Die (Bond 25)  (Read 3478 times)

Rolf Lundgren

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #60 on: December 06, 2019, 07:58:20 PM »
It won't be a good Bond film unless somebody says the title in it. Preferably the very last line of the film and then looks straight down the barrel of the camera and winks.

Thomas

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #61 on: December 06, 2019, 08:29:40 PM »
I wonder if they'll incorporate the change of Bond actor into the continuity of the Craig films. They've put a lot of effort into emphasising that the past four films have been set in the same universe, it'd be jarring if they didn't address it.

They might very decisively just begin a new continuity (perhaps set in the 1950s, jettisoning the Bourne trappings of the 21st century), or this one will end with Bond passing his birth name on, for whatever reason, fulfilling the long-running (and rubbish) fan theory about a useless codename.

I think this one might end with Bond at least faking his death. He sort of already did that in Skyfall, but they're not above recycling major plot points.

thecuriousorange

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #62 on: December 06, 2019, 10:45:07 PM »
You mean like the end of Dark Knight Rises? Anyway, Rami Malek's character is now rumored to be Dr No.

chveik

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #63 on: December 06, 2019, 11:21:13 PM »
they should end the franchise, we've got jack reacher now!

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #64 on: December 07, 2019, 12:28:05 AM »
I see some parallels with Sherlock, and the things that went wrong in that series.

Thomas

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #65 on: December 07, 2019, 01:17:49 AM »
Arrogant to wear a hat of his own name.

You mean like the end of Dark Knight Rises?

There is a bit of a Dark Knight Batman vibe to the latest Bonds. They're obviously feeling around, trying to work out what a modern Bond franchise should be. Since the superb reboot of Casino Royale (me fave) it's mainly been meta-commentary on how fucking clapped out and worn down the character is.

'Are you ready to get back to work, 007?'
'Not really, to be honest.'

Even in Skyfall, the second best Craiger, all of Bond's actions only worsen the situation. Barely has any lines, either, only nodding gravely whenever anybody comments about the bags under his eyes.

Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #66 on: December 07, 2019, 01:28:51 AM »
Arrogant to wear a hat of his own name.

There is a bit of a Dark Knight Batman vibe to the latest Bonds. They're obviously feeling around, trying to work out what a modern Bond franchise should be. Since the superb reboot of Casino Royale (me fave) it's mainly been meta-commentary on how fucking clapped out and worn down the character is.

'Are you ready to get back to work, 007?'
'Not really, to be honest.'

Even in Skyfall, the second best Craiger, all of Bond's actions only worsen the situation. Barely has any lines, either, only nodding gravely whenever anybody comments about the bags under his eyes.

everyone is incompetent or shit in that movie, no-one does anything remotely intelligent in the whole boorish contrived thing. its like both hero and villain have down syndrome. especially the women, they either fuck up or get fucked in a shower after their husband gets killed. makes quantum of whotsit look like citizen dane.

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #67 on: December 07, 2019, 08:02:08 PM »
I've watched a few extras for Star Trek: Nemesis (don't judge me!), which was an early script by John Logan, who did some polishing on Skyfall (basically, the same responsibility Paul Haggis had on Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace, except that he had to stop for the second due to the writers strike).

John Logan explains that he loves having the antagonist being somewhat related to the hero, which is exactly what he did in Nemesis. And also in Gladiator. The parallels between Bond and Silva actually help Skyfall.
For Spectre, he handled the first drafts alone, using requests by Sam Mendes (who also loved the foster brother angle), then EON and MGM bought the rights to Spectre and Blofeld, then there was some frustration over the script which caused Logan to leave (he was even contracted at some point for two films) and Purvis and Wade to be called back, with Jez Butterworth doing some more polishing. I guess that there were several camps that fought for or against elements such as using Bond's foster brother, putting Blofeld at the forefront, etc., and it looks like the worst version of these choices prevailed.

I also suspect that EON and MGM really wanted to have Blofeld as a central figure, because it allowed them to make Sony foot part of the bill for the deal over the rights.

This time, there's no pressure to recoup on the investment, and it's more a matter of tying up a few loose ends and allowing Craig to complete his run with some continuity. Besides, Craig had a falling-out with Mendes during production of Spectre, and he wanted to leave the part on a higher note.

thecuriousorange

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #68 on: December 07, 2019, 09:49:41 PM »
John Logan explains that he loves having the antagonist being somewhat related to the hero, which is exactly what he did in Nemesis. And also in Gladiator. The parallels between Bond and Silva actually help Skyfall.

I hate this increasing trend of the hero and villian being brothers in some way. Especially when they just crowbar it into the new version of iconic characters. It was really stupid in Joker

Zetetic

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #69 on: December 07, 2019, 10:17:22 PM »
John Logan explains that he loves having the antagonist being somewhat related to the hero, which is exactly what he did in Nemesis.
Did he explain why? Something about emphasising that we are moulded by our experiences?

Which at least seem relevant in thecuriousorange's example, if not actually thoughtful.

Kryton

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #70 on: December 07, 2019, 10:41:32 PM »
That's why I have no interest in modern Bond movies.  I liked the old movies for being a daft old bit of frivolous fun.  I don't want to watch a dark and gritty James Bond, full of introspection and moody brooding.  Just shove a fella in a wheelchair down a chimney and call it a day.  Is that too much to ask?

To be fair some chap got mauled to death by a Komodo dragon in a recent one. Now't wrong with that.

Kryton

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #71 on: December 07, 2019, 10:42:23 PM »
I hate this increasing trend of the hero and villian being brothers in some way. Especially when they just crowbar it into the new version of iconic characters. It was really stupid in Joker

Except in that film you mentioned, it didn't happen and was a delusion.

Thomas

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #72 on: December 08, 2019, 12:27:10 AM »
Yeah, it was ultimately rug-pulled in that, but the character's delusion lasted just long enough before the reveal that, as I was watching, it unfortunately had the same Annoyance Impact for me as though it had been played straight.

Remember Sherlock's secret sister on Mad Island?

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #74 on: December 09, 2019, 02:13:05 PM »
Had a bit of a Partridge weekend and watched all the Daniel Craig Bonds and I really don't think it would be a shame if in the future they completely scrapped any Bond girl/romantic subplots.

They're all incredibly rushed, creepy and have an awful power dynamic. I remember Craig's scene with Monica Bellucci causing a bit of a stir because he was 'with a woman his age for once' but even in that scene he's clearly coercing a woman who's just buried her husband a few hours earlier.

Casino Royale's the worst offender  - solid first two thirds and then all of a sudden he and Vespa are in love, spouting cringey dialogue at each other, after only speaking to each other in smarmy quips.

It's not like they need to be preachy, with Bond being sent on an HR course about enthusiastic consent, but who really gives a shit about a middle-aged man with a tiny head making whoopie with 20 year olds?

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #75 on: December 09, 2019, 02:41:33 PM »
Shurely the worst is in Quantum of Solace, when he sneaks up on a sex trafficking victim while she's in a shower, then starts groping her?

Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #76 on: December 09, 2019, 02:43:40 PM »
That's Skyfall.

gilbertharding

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #77 on: December 09, 2019, 04:07:20 PM »
Since the superb reboot of Casino Royale (me fave) it's mainly been meta-commentary on how fucking clapped out and worn down the character is.

'Are you ready to get back to work, 007?'
'Not really, to be honest.'

Even in Skyfall, the second best Craiger, all of Bond's actions only worsen the situation. Barely has any lines, either, only nodding gravely whenever anybody comments about the bags under his eyes.

Can't believe it isn't online fully - but the Alan Coren spoof piece (Dr No will see you now) which begins with the line "Bond tensed in the darkness, and reached for his teeth..." predicted this perfectly.

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #78 on: December 10, 2019, 07:37:49 PM »
Shurely the worst is in Quantum of Solace, when he sneaks up on a sex trafficking victim while she's in a shower, then starts groping her?

Pretty sure James Bond was at a Pizza Express that night.

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #79 on: December 10, 2019, 09:49:54 PM »
Pizza Hut! Bond may be good, but he's not royalty.

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #80 on: February 14, 2020, 06:44:16 AM »
The Billie Eilish theme has popped up in the generic Bond megathread but it should probably go here instead.

https://youtu.be/GB_S2qFh5lU

That's it.

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Re: No Time To Die (Bond 25)
« Reply #81 on: February 14, 2020, 06:51:58 PM »
They clearly should have got Adam Buxton to make it:
https://youtu.be/iN86LixkkrU
https://youtu.be/iAXVeKdrDOM

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