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Nowhere Man

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The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« on: December 13, 2019, 06:20:10 PM »
I mean from what I'm seeing people are expecting the likes of Jess Phillip's to take over as leader from Corbyn. It seems extremely likely that McDonnell will be getting to boot too. Is this the end of any trace of socialist principles in the Labour Party? Where the fuck do we go from here?

Let's also say a few words for the great Dennis Skinner, a man who stood with the miners while Thatcher destroyed entire communities, losing his seat after 49 years to a fucking Tory. It actually makes me feel sick to think about.

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Re: The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2019, 06:28:37 PM »
No, because the Labour Party leadership is decided by members of the Labour Party, the majority of whom joined the party in response to Jeremy Corbyn; to vote for him and to support a new kind of Labour Party. We are here to stay and we are not going to vote for Jess Phillips.

Re: The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2019, 06:29:41 PM »
Think it should have a bit of a rest for a few weeks to be honest

Nowhere Man

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Re: The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2019, 06:30:54 PM »
No, because the Labour Party leadership is decided by members of the Labour Party, the majority of whom joined the party in response to Jeremy Corbyn; to vote for him and to support a new kind of Labour Party. We are here to stay and we are not going to vote for Jess Phillips.

I understand that but even if it's not Phillip's I'm struggling to imagine them even putting up anyone even slightly Corbyn like in the running.

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Re: The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2019, 06:35:03 PM »
Why can't they? Difficulties have been removed, from having a successor to Corbyn to continue the project, at Labour conferences over the last 4 years; far more democratic now. No worries there.

There is another thread on this subject that pancreas has started already.

https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,76849.0.html

Nowhere Man

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Re: The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2019, 06:45:17 PM »
Why can't they? Difficulties have been removed, from having a successor to Corbyn to continue the project, at Labour conferences over the last 4 years; far more democratic now. No worries there.

There is another thread on this subject that pancreas has started already.

https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,76849.0.html

Oh bollocks

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Re: The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2019, 06:47:28 PM »
No, because the Labour Party leadership is decided by members of the Labour Party, the majority of whom joined the party in response to Jeremy Corbyn; to vote for him and to support a new kind of Labour Party. We are here to stay and we are not going to vote for Jess Phillips.

Yes, but that's the problem. The Labour Party's electoral results aren't decided by those members, but a whole swathe of people who don't belong to any political party. The only two avenues I can see to becoming electable again are:

1. Try to convince more people of the value of your principled policies
2. Alter your policy stances in order to appeal to a broader chunk of the electorate

The first option has just failed miserably. Under the current voting system, Labour needs to attract a much larger coalition of voters if it's ever going to gain power again (i.e. a proper majority), and accept that change using smaller steps towards your goal is infinitely preferable to sitting on the sidelines while the other side trundles on without any meaningful opposition.

Re: The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2019, 06:49:29 PM »
Could they not just get better at 1. , I feel like we're giving up on 1. too quickly because this lot were bad at it

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Re: The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2019, 06:55:47 PM »
Yes, but that's the problem. The Labour Party's electoral results aren't decided by those members, but a whole swathe of people who don't belong to any political party. The only two avenues I can see to becoming electable again are:

1. Try to convince more people of the value of your principled policies
2. Alter your policy stances in order to appeal to a broader chunk of the electorate

The first option has just failed miserably. Under the current voting system, Labour needs to attract a much larger coalition of voters if it's ever going to gain power again (i.e. a proper majority), and accept that change using smaller steps towards your goal is infinitely preferable to sitting on the sidelines while the other side trundles on without any meaningful opposition.

The unions founded the Labour Party. Their members have every right to vote in elections for its leader.

Re: The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2019, 06:56:50 PM »
There aren't any left wingers for members to vote for, are there? I mean proper left wing, like at least Corbyn level. 'Soft left' sounds like 'Blairite by the next election'.

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Re: The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2019, 07:01:30 PM »
pancreas for new leader. I'm not even joking

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Re: The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2019, 07:12:31 PM »
Future of the Labour party thread splits into two competing factions already, oh the irony

Re: The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2019, 07:17:24 PM »
I think it probably needs a multi-cultural, youthful and acerbic approach. It needs to be able to debate smartly and not get shouty. Passivity and Anger won't work. Cerebral point scoring will. Also charisma. The party needs a dollop of that.

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Re: The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2019, 07:20:22 PM »
edit: why bother. "cerebral point scoring" ffs

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Re: The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2019, 07:24:23 PM »
Think the next leader of the Labour Party should be The Rock.  His policy should be to open a can of whoop ass.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CVos0UBvpoc

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Re: The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2019, 07:32:18 PM »
I mean it really fucking sucks that Laura Pidcock lost her seat. Maybe she didn't have enough experience yet to be leader, but she's definitely someone I wanted to see front and centre of the party in the years ahead.

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Re: The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2019, 07:40:54 PM »
The party needs to find a message that appeals to both urban centrists and provincial Leave voters.

Leader: Jess Phillips
Campaign slogan: Wogs out


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Re: The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2019, 07:45:08 PM »
I mean it really fucking sucks that Laura Pidcock lost her seat. Maybe she didn't have enough experience yet to be leader, but she's definitely someone I wanted to see front and centre of the party in the years ahead.

She’ll be back, I am sure.

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Re: The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2019, 07:52:41 PM »
Pidcock is the name I've most commonly been hearing as the best successor to Corbs so it's bad news that she's out just when such a successor is needed.

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Re: The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2019, 08:11:26 PM »
Could they not just get better at 1. , I feel like we're giving up on 1. too quickly because this lot were bad at it

Yes, this.  At some point the electorate will hopefully realise they made an almighty mistake by putting Boris Johnson in power.  Perhaps they'll have had some time reflecting on the promises Labour made in 2019 and they'll feel more plausible and more desirable; in a sense they'll have caught up slightly with where we were.  What we mustn't then do is tack to where they were in 2019, or we'll miss them again.

At some point in the next few years, the Tories may well end up in the position they were in in 1997, when a bin liner of cats' sick would have beaten them in a general election.  We didn't need to shift to the right to catch the voters - they were moving away from the Tories already.

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Re: The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2019, 08:13:20 PM »
No, because the Labour Party leadership is decided by members of the Labour Party, the majority of whom joined the party in response to Jeremy Corbyn; to vote for him and to support a new kind of Labour Party. We are here to stay and we are not going to vote for Jess Phillips.

And therein lies the problem. Tories till Infinity. Thanks guys.

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Re: The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2019, 08:14:15 PM »
And therein lies the problem. Tories till Infinity. Thanks guys.

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Re: The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2019, 08:18:08 PM »
I think the party should become Racist

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Re: The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2019, 08:19:16 PM »
Yes, this.  At some point the electorate will hopefully realise they made an almighty mistake by putting Boris Johnson in power.  Perhaps they'll have had some time reflecting on the promises Labour made in 2019 and they'll feel more plausible and more desirable; in a sense they'll have caught up slightly with where we were.  What we mustn't then do is tack to where they were in 2019, or we'll miss them again.

At some point in the next few years, the Tories may well end up in the position they were in in 1997, when a bin liner of cats' sick would have beaten them in a general election.  We didn't need to shift to the right to catch the voters - they were moving away from the Tories already.

Completely agree. 

Re: The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2019, 08:20:05 PM »
Just stick a cunt up everyone’s arse and fuck like fuck.

Re: The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2019, 08:31:59 PM »
Just stick a cunt up everyone’s arse and fuck like fuck.
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Re: The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2019, 08:32:24 PM »
"Only let billionaires elect party leaders because ordinary people are soooo stupid" - Sony "Thick Cunt" Walkman "Bellend" Prophecies, December 2019

Is a prime example of the coarsening of language and deterioration of form I was referring to earlier. At least the old left were well read and well adjusted. You’d have to think twice debating with a citation-ready liberal 15-20 yrs ago. Now all you have is swears and histrionic emotion. It is absolutely right that you are not in a position of power. Your idea of diplomacy is telling everyone to fuck off and running off to have a cry. Grow up.

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Re: The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2019, 08:36:08 PM »
Just stick a cunt up everyone’s arse and fuck like fuck.

I'm sure a dildo would be more effective. Or even a finger.

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Re: The future of the Labour Party: Where does it go from here?
« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2019, 08:37:48 PM »
I'm sure a dildo would be more effective. Or even a finger.

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