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BREXIT THREAD A MILLION
« on: December 14, 2019, 08:13:06 PM »
So no one is talking pure Brexit. Will we finally leave 31 Jan? Where will the Irish border be? Will the ERG continue to frustrate any not "real Brexit" scenarios? Will Farage fuck off? Blue passports? 50ps? Festival? Fish!

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Re: BREXIT THREAD A MILLION
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2019, 08:15:04 PM »
Would be really funny if Johnson gets so confused by his own web of lies he decides to stop Brexit.

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« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2019, 08:15:20 PM »
Too soon

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« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2019, 08:16:38 PM »
Too soon
spin it out with preemptive predictions. Never stopped anyone before

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« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2019, 08:17:18 PM »
Would be really funny if Johnson gets so confused by his own web of lies he decides to stop Brexit.
thats why i voted conservative







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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2019, 08:18:04 PM »
I think it will probably completely disappear and nothing much will happen (whether the UK leaves or not) now that the media has used it to get Corbyn out of the way.

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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2019, 08:21:27 PM »
I cant see how it wont affect small businesses who trade with europe. Daan saath academics - where theres been little political change - are shitting themselves, at least

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Re: BREXIT THREAD A MILLION
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2019, 08:22:43 PM »
I feel like I'm at Book 12 of some gargantuan fantasy series and the realisation has suddenly dawned on me that it's all a load of made-up shite.  Millions of people getting het-up over a bloody concept.  I know it's more than that in reality- I mean half my family have buggered off to Lithuania as a direct consequence- but that's how it feels. 

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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2019, 08:26:13 PM »
I mean im at the point where im like fuck it who cares as well; but isnt that what cchq wanted us to think? Isnt it still going to really smart?

Thing is the EU really want rid of us but they still hold all of Gove's proverbial cards.

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Re: BREXIT THREAD A MILLION
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2019, 11:02:51 AM »
I feel like I'm at Book 12 of some gargantuan fantasy series and the realisation has suddenly dawned on me that it's all a load of made-up shite.  Millions of people getting het-up over a bloody concept.  I know it's more than that in reality- I mean half my family have buggered off to Lithuania as a direct consequence- but that's how it feels.

It turns out we were dead all along and waiting in purgatory for the next phase.

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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2019, 12:01:37 PM »
I'm quite interested to know how Johnson will avoid a Customs Union without either repealing the GFA or stringing the process out for years while waiting for Ireland to unify. Anyone?

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Re: BREXIT THREAD A MILLION
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2019, 12:14:11 PM »
I think he’ll just ignore the GFA.

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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2019, 12:40:36 PM »
I've had that thought as well and that does seem to be what's happened so far, but it hasn't played very well. It completely broke May, for example. So, how? It's the law. Even with a majority you can't pass conflicting legislation, can you?

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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2019, 12:53:19 PM »
You can repeal it though, right? As far as I understand a new act can explicitly repeal an existing part of our constitution that conflicts with it

This is the majority May wanted for a hard-ass Brexit. Except that was for negotiating. This parliament can only really pass the amended Chequers deal, because the EU have had enough.

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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2019, 01:05:30 PM »
You can repeal it though, right? As far as I understand a new act can explicitly repeal an existing part of our constitution that conflicts with it

This is the majority May wanted for a hard-ass Brexit. Except that was for negotiating. This parliament can only really pass the amended Chequers deal, because the EU have had enough.

I'm quite interested to know how Johnson will avoid a Customs Union without either repealing the GFA or stringing the process out for years while waiting for Ireland to unify. Anyone?

My point is I haven't heard anyone explicitly suggest repealing the GFA so far.

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« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2019, 01:23:49 PM »
Oh yeah sorry. Well he'll just do whatever he's advised by his team. I doubt Johnson really knows that much about parliamentary process since hes just a vanity MP and never really participated in the process of legislation


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« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2019, 01:33:15 PM »
The Good Friday Agreement isn't a British law, it's an international treaty and a multi-party agreement. (Its implementation depends on several pieces of British law, most prominently the Human Rights Act 1998.)

It makes no specific arrangement for unilateral withdrawal. Legitimate reasons for withdrawal, in the context of "international law" (most explicitly the Vienna Conventions), would involve others violating their commitments under the agreement.

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« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2019, 01:36:43 PM »
The Good Friday Agreement isn't a British law, it's an international treaty and a multi-party agreement. (Its implementation depends on several pieces of British law, most prominently the Human Rights Act 1998.)

It makes no specific arrangement for unilateral withdrawal. Legitimate reasons for withdrawal, in the context of "international law" (most explicitly the Vienna Conventions), would involve others violating their commitments under the agreement.

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« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2019, 03:12:37 PM »
Is the GFA still a problem now Johnson has agreed to a border in the Irish Sea?

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« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2019, 03:22:40 PM »
Is the GFA still a problem now Johnson has agreed to a border in the Irish Sea?
thats why i think im confused. The only reason the May government got stuck was because they were stuck with Unionists propping them up. Now we can just sell NI down the line, wreck the Union, cripple them with tariffs and probably ask for some of the bungs back too

Ho ho ho!

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« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2019, 03:25:08 PM »
Are they going to build that bridge from Northern Ireland to Scotland?

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« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2019, 03:28:45 PM »
Brexiteer's really do have no principles and no plan whatsoever. The ERG twats said they would follow whatever the DUP wanted, then caved and went with the border in the Irish Sea. Farage farted on about how Johnson's deal wasn't Brexit, then stood down the BP in Tory seats and has yet to mention it again. The ERG position seems to be that they won't stand for harmonisation with EU standards, but it's speculated that Johnson will cave to this for single market access.

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« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2019, 04:10:29 AM »
Oops I accidentally locked this when I stickied it, apologies.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50818134

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The government is to add a new clause to the Brexit bill to make it illegal for parliament to extend the process beyond the end of next year.

The post-Brexit transition period - due to conclude in December 2020 -  can currently be extended by mutual agreement for up to two years.

But an amended Withdrawal Agreement Bill the Commons is set to vote on this week would rule out any extension.

Critics say this raises the chance of leaving the EU without a trade deal.
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Re: BREXIT THREAD A MILLION
« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2019, 04:48:04 AM »
thats why i think im confused. The only reason the May government got stuck was because they were stuck with Unionists propping them up. Now we can just sell NI down the line, wreck the Union, cripple them with tariffs and probably ask for some of the bungs back too

Ho ho ho!

GFA is fine if Ireland is all under EU rules, so no problem there. That needs a border in the sea though and that’s what the bigots were objecting to, but they don’t matter any more. Irish reunification ref soon, just hope they don’t have it before scots one or else bigots will all scurry over to their kin in Ayrshire to be safe from Kaflik persecution.

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« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2019, 11:16:23 PM »
The "border in the sea" is also, arguably, a problem for the Good Friday Agreement, insofar as it unilaterally radically alters Northern Ireland's status with respect to the Union with Great Britain.

Whether any of the Unionist parties can pursue this through the British courts to any end…  I've absolutely no idea.

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« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2019, 11:19:54 PM »
The "border in the sea" is also, arguably, a problem for the Good Friday Agreement, insofar as it unilaterally radically alters Northern Ireland's status with respect to the Union with Great Britain.

Whether any of the Unionist parties can pursue this through the British courts to any end…  I've absolutely no idea.

I agree it's a problem for the Unionists but i don't think it's explicitly referenced in the GFA.

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« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2019, 11:20:52 PM »
i genuinely feel worried for people in NI as an immediate consequence of this landslide

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« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2019, 11:38:04 PM »
i genuinely feel worried for people in NI as an immediate consequence of this landslide

Why worried? Seems to me like they have a better set of options than other areas of the UK.

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« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2019, 11:45:11 PM »
um true, being nominally in the EU might be better but they'll have tariffs from Britain

but fucking hell, you aint gonna "get Brexit done" you Balliol bumfucker

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« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2019, 07:34:34 AM »
I agree it's a problem for the Unionists but i don't think it's explicitly referenced in the GFA.
What isn't explicitly referenced?

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