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Alberon

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Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #30 on: December 21, 2019, 10:49:16 PM »
Boeing's buggered Starliner flight is due to land midday Sunday our time.

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Nasa administrator Jim Bridenstine said independent teams had been brought in to review the spacecraft’s re-entry after it failed to reach the space station on Friday after a timing issue caused rockets to misfire.

“We’ve had teams looking at what happened with the timers, and anything that could affect us on re-entry. Over the last 24 hours looked very hard at that and we think we’re ready to go,” he said on Saturday.

Boeing are still saying if an astronaut had been on board they could have acted far quicker than controllers on the ground to save fuel and allow the whole mission to go ahead. This is likely to add another delay to Boeing's efforts to get the Starliner man-rated and NASA may insist on another unmanned flight before allowing astronauts up in the thing.

Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #31 on: December 21, 2019, 10:51:46 PM »
I know I don't want to play it up as they are just people but LESBIAN SPACE CRIMES does sound very alluring doesn't it

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Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2019, 11:23:51 PM »

Boeing are still saying if an astronaut had been on board they could have acted far quicker than controllers on the ground to save fuel and allow the whole mission to go ahead.

If they bother to train the pilots to recognize developing trouble with the autopilot or brief them on its operational theory.

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Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #33 on: December 22, 2019, 12:07:31 AM »
If I were still 13 this would be the most exciting thing in the world.

Sadly I'm pushing 40 and all I can think about is what a fucking stupid waste of resources (financial and environmental) it is, given the shitshow that is the political and literal climate these days. Let's fix the Earth before we start fucking up space, shall we?

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Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #34 on: December 22, 2019, 12:25:37 AM »
true answer: you are subject to whatever laws of the country you are a national of. first tested this year with this case, of an astronaut accused of hacking her estranged wife's bank account from the ISS
The US considers those sorts of crimes to be committed in the US anyway. I'm fairly sure that they'd try to extradite you from the UK, for the same thing, for example.

If an American murdered a Russian in the European Columbus Laboratory (ECL), for example, then things are a bit trickier. (Particularly since any European Partner State can extend their national jurisdiction to the ECL; noting that this is mostly about intellectual property issues, not crimes.)

Article 22 of the International Space Station Intergovernmental Agreement would seem to give Russia the ability to exercise jurisdiction over the American in that case, but subject to consultation with the US and some other stuff.


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Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #35 on: December 22, 2019, 12:27:39 AM »
Lesbians? In space?

No, it's:

Lesbians, In spaaaaaaaaaaaace!!!

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Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #36 on: December 22, 2019, 05:54:43 AM »
If I were still 13 this would be the most exciting thing in the world.

Sadly I'm pushing 40 and all I can think about is what a fucking stupid waste of resources (financial and environmental) it is, given the shitshow that is the political and literal climate these days. Let's fix the Earth before we start fucking up space, shall we?

After they've normalised a future fucked up earth in almost every sci-fi there's been?

Alberon

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Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #37 on: December 24, 2019, 11:42:28 PM »
The Boeing Starliner managed to land without any further problems. It's not been decided what steps will need to be taken next.

The SpaceX Dragon capsule has just completed it's tenth succesful parachute test in a row.



The In Flight Abort test will be in January. If that works, SpaceX will prepare to launch its first astronauts.

Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #38 on: December 25, 2019, 12:39:28 AM »
The US considers those sorts of crimes to be committed in the US anyway. I'm fairly sure that they'd try to extradite you from the UK, for the same thing, for example.

If an American murdered a Russian in the European Columbus Laboratory (ECL), for example, then things are a bit trickier. (Particularly since any European Partner State can extend their national jurisdiction to the ECL; noting that this is mostly about intellectual property issues, not crimes.)

Article 22 of the International Space Station Intergovernmental Agreement would seem to give Russia the ability to exercise jurisdiction over the American in that case, but subject to consultation with the US and some other stuff.
the US would just duff you up rotten if say you said "cunt" on the ISS

Alberon

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Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #39 on: January 19, 2020, 05:54:35 PM »
Delayed by one day due to the weather SpaceX carried out the Emergency Crew Escape test today.

The procedure uses rockets on the Dragon capsule to lift it away from the Falcon 9 rocket and was purposefully carried out at the moment of maximum dynamic stress in the launch.

Shortly after the capsule was lifted clear the Falcon 9 was blown up.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51169705

The Dragon capsule then completed a sea landing using parachutes.

If this test is as successful as it first appears this will clear the way for SpaceX to start ferrying astronauts to the ISS as early as the summer. Boeing are still waiting to hear if they need to rerun their unmmaned flight of the Starliner after problems in the flight late last year.

Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2020, 06:26:36 PM »
I dont know why this shit annoys me so much but the idea that so much of this space shit is given so much time and energy when we are fucking up the planet and so many people are starving and dying needlessly.

Fucking hate it.

Alberon

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Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #41 on: January 19, 2020, 06:43:58 PM »
It's not an either/or situation. We could do both. We just choose not to.

Which makes the need to colonise the moon and Mars more pressing.

This planet is not going to survive.

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Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2020, 06:45:10 PM »
I dont know why this shit annoys me so much but the idea that so much of this space shit is given so much time and energy when we are fucking up the planet and so many people are starving and dying needlessly.

Fucking hate it.

You could say that about videogames, or porn, or umpteen other things. If all spaceflight activity was stopped forever tomorrow the money and effort behind it wouldn't suddenly go to fixing the environment and ending world hunger.

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Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2020, 06:45:35 PM »
It's not an either/or situation. We could do both. We just choose not to.

Which makes the need to colonise the moon and Mars more pressing.

This planet is not going to survive.

Colonise Mars? Pffff... Yeah right!

If we end up living on Mars I'll go down on you.

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Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #44 on: January 19, 2020, 06:58:26 PM »
I dont know why this shit annoys me so much but the idea that so much of this space shit is given so much time and energy when we are fucking up the planet and so many people are starving and dying needlessly.

Fucking hate it.

With due respect to you Sir, this (common) opinion baffles me. Aside from the mammoth scientific inventions/insights/data that indirectly and directly feed into the fact that we can have this debate online via wifi climate change, biology, etc. this argument assumes there's not enough resource/energy to go into different global projects. You can get your shit together while expanding it at the same time. Imagine a hospital saying "shut down your research and development department. there are people dying in the emergency ward you selfish fuckers." Makes no sense.

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« Reply #45 on: January 19, 2020, 06:59:43 PM »
I dont know why this shit annoys me so much but the idea that so much of this space shit is given so much time and energy when we are fucking up the planet and so many people are starving and dying needlessly.

Fucking hate it.

A cynic might say we're not doing both because the great and the good are eugenicists and IQ-fanatics, and putting all their energies into space travel while leaving the rest of us behind on a dying planet is one way of achieving their goal without signposting it for everyone to see.

Personally, I subscribe to the Norm MacDonald theory: that Musk's plans to send people to Mars are just a front for an extremely creative serial killing scheme.

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Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #46 on: January 19, 2020, 07:01:43 PM »
I can think of 3 good reasons.



Blimey if they're lurking in the statosphere, then I'm afraid I'm all for manned spaceflights.


BUT HOW DO THEY BREATHE?

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Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #47 on: January 19, 2020, 07:59:22 PM »

Alberon

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Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #48 on: February 11, 2020, 08:53:58 AM »
SpaceX are planning to launch their first manned flight around 7th May. It could be as early as late April or as late as late May.

Meanwhile, Boeing’s problems are getting worse. More software issues, one potentially fatal, has been discovered in the truncated, unmanned test flight. NASA has asked for a review of procedures because these software errors weren’t detected pre-flight.

Boeing has earmarked $140m for a second unmanned flight which is starting to look increasingly likely.

Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #49 on: February 11, 2020, 09:02:09 AM »
You could say that about videogames, or porn, or umpteen other things. If all spaceflight activity was stopped forever tomorrow the money and effort behind it wouldn't suddenly go to fixing the environment and ending world hunger.

I do and yes thats the problem.

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Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #50 on: February 11, 2020, 10:07:50 AM »
I'd say some spaceflight activity could be shown to be useful in fixing the environment and world hunger.

Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #51 on: February 11, 2020, 10:09:33 AM »
I'd say some spaceflight activity could be shown to be useful in fixing the environment and world hunger.

Why do you say that?

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Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #52 on: February 11, 2020, 10:14:19 AM »
Because satellites can monitor all manner of environmental activity, like weather, in ways that can't be done otherwise.

Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #53 on: February 11, 2020, 10:16:51 AM »
What does that have to do with commercially manned space flights though?

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Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #54 on: February 11, 2020, 10:19:56 AM »
I wasn't answering you, I was replying to earl_sleek, who mentioned "all spaceflight".

Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #55 on: February 11, 2020, 10:20:52 AM »
They should send all the billionaires into space then leave them there

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Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #56 on: February 11, 2020, 10:23:34 AM »
I'd say some spaceflight activity could be shown to be useful in fixing the environment and world hunger.

I agree; that's another argument against the idea that spaceflight is a waste of money that could be spent on other things.

Alberon

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Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #57 on: March 05, 2020, 05:20:04 PM »
A couple of updates.

Boeing's Starliner continues to face problems. It turned out a second software error was only caught because the first one had occured and it could have resulted in the loss of vehicle. It has also turned out that Boeing never did a full-simulation mission with the software instead breaking it into sections and just testing them. That had the result that errors from one section that only affected something in another section were not caught.

Needless to say it looks like a second unmanned test flight will be required and Boeing has already set aside money for it.

Meanwhile SpaceX is pushing ahead with its Spaceship prototypes. The original plan was for model SN1 to fly 20km high before landing again after pressurisation tests. Unfortunately, that test, being filled with liquid nitrogen, ended like this.

https://youtu.be/sYeVnGL7fgw

Model SN2 is being prepared and will be ready to take SN1's place in a few days to continue the pressurisation tests.

From photos it seems SN3 is already under construction and I expect we'll see quite a few SN's until they get near something you'd even begin considering putting a human in.

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Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #58 on: March 05, 2020, 05:38:01 PM »

Alberon

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Re: Commercial Manned Space flights
« Reply #59 on: March 05, 2020, 06:26:31 PM »
Oh yeah. Forgot that!

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