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Re: The abundance of high-quality music theory YouTube channels
« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2020, 01:51:09 PM »
In this safely established popular classic song, that bit was really great

'Why, Rick?'

It uses a diminished chord

'So where does that fact lead us?'

That bit was really great

Yeah, Rick Beato is knowledgeable and many of his videos are informative, but a blow by blow account of any song, or a "top 20 greatest intros, drum fills, guitar solos, etc", is a fairly pointless exercise (aside from being clickbait) compared to his videos on modes and symmetrical scales, or how computers have screwed rock music, and why audiences have abandoned rock music. I wish he'd focus less on rock, actually, and let us see more of his jazz roots, but that's also not clickbaity enough for him.

Adam Neely is impeccable, though.

Likewise, 12tone, the musicological scribbler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y4T9SkNYFo

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« Reply #31 on: March 03, 2020, 02:26:10 PM »
Likewise, 12tone, the musicological scribbler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y4T9SkNYFo

I couldn't watch that, the speeded up fiddly scribbling hand just makes me tense right up.

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« Reply #32 on: March 03, 2020, 02:28:57 PM »
Technically production, but I greatly enjoyed this channel's interviews with a few producers - particularly Michael Beinhorn talking about producing Soundgarden (and Manson).

On the topic of Soundgarden he goes into some of the writing, and makes some really great points. I've always loved Black Hole Sun (SG generally), being both anthemic yet unnerving at the same time, and there's some discussion of the composition on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng4f_fj9Lfc

One thing I've never really conciously noticed is how there's no real sense of resolution apart from the big D chord at the end of the early choruses. Sometimes picking music apart like this can ruin the magic, but in this case absolutely not.

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« Reply #33 on: March 03, 2020, 03:10:10 PM »
I couldn't watch that, the speeded up fiddly scribbling hand just makes me tense right up.

But the visuals are mostly secondary to the commentary, which is always great.

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« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2020, 11:46:51 AM »
I forgot to mention the Strong Songs podcast. It will take stone cold classic pop songs and analyse the shit out of them, as well as passionately talking about why the songs are great. Imagine NoSleep's post above extended to an entire song, with clips.

It's the perfect podcast for me, somebody who has a reasonable musical education but no practical real practical application of it outside of casually playing instruments.

Have  you tried the "Why Do I Like This" podcast? It is Martin Rossiter and his wife discussing why she likes particular songs. Rossiter will be given an hour to figure out the song and then he comes back and goes through all the theory stuff to try and explain why it is good. It is interesting in and of itself but an extra bonus is that he sounds exactly like Greg Davies, both in how he sounds and how he speaks. That was unexpected

https://www.patreon.com/whydoilikethis

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« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2020, 09:46:40 AM »
More Beefheart-related goodness, this time from Samuel Andreyev. Here's an interview he conducted with Bill Harkleroad (Zoot Horn Rollo) in which Bill is revealed to be a wonderful human being (well, I knew this already, from his music and his book "Lunar Notes"):

Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWgfVVbK4bA
Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfeKBp6OJdQ

I've just discovered this account and I see he's interviewed other members of the Magic Band - Mark Boston (Rockette Morton), John French (Drumbo), Jeff Cotton (Antennae Jimmy Semens), which I'm looking forward to viewing.

Here Andreyev breaks down the opening track of TMR, Frownland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FhhB9teHqU EDIT: This analysis appears have been what inspired Jeff Cotton to allow the only interview that he ever given.
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« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2020, 12:31:14 PM »
David Collins; a really good guitar tech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEjekEOMWmg

EDIT: Looks like he's way too busy to do YouTube videos; last one is two years old.
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« Reply #37 on: April 10, 2020, 01:20:51 PM »
a middle eight is the different bit in the middle, also called a bridge. usually it is vocal and seperate from the solo break.



It always irritated me that the middle 8 is also called the bridge, I always thought the bridge would be a better name for the part that goes between the verse and chorus on some songs (the "bridge" between the two) but learned the name for that is the "pre-chorus"

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« Reply #38 on: April 10, 2020, 02:11:30 PM »
It always irritated me that the middle 8 is also called the bridge, I always thought the bridge would be a better name for the part that goes between the verse and chorus on some songs (the "bridge" between the two) but learned the name for that is the "pre-chorus"

That's what I mentioned when I explained the structure of River Deep Mountain High. It is what is often named the bridge.

There is no one way of naming parts of songs, as I have discovered working with many different artists in the recording studio.

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« Reply #39 on: April 10, 2020, 02:15:26 PM »
I am detecting a slight increase in harmonic sophistication in some current pop music. Wouldn't be surprised if the preponderance of these YouTube vids has an effect on future music. Good stuff. Learning a bit of music theory shouldn't be limited to musicians.

Do you not feel a certain cynicism and hollowness at its core though? I feel the same way when watching many modern movies. They use techniques that have reliable emotional responses but lack ingenuity and authorial voice, so you can be sat there sometimes feeling teary-eyed while simultaneously thinking "this movie is a pile of fucking hackwork". There is something about the best art that is a sweet spot between the organic drive to create something with a message and an understanding of the form behind it, whether that be innate or learned.

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« Reply #40 on: April 10, 2020, 02:28:07 PM »
Do you not feel a certain cynicism and hollowness at its core though?

Lack of genius combined with technical ability/knowledge has always been a stumbling block for players. They need to get beyond the technique to use it properly.

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« Reply #41 on: April 10, 2020, 02:30:50 PM »
Feldman on Cage:

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At this first meeting I brought John a string quartet.  He looked at it a long time and then said, ‘How did you make this?’  I thought of my constant quarrels with (Stefan) Wolpe, and how just a week before, after showing a composition of mine to Milton Babbitt and answering his questions as intelligently as I could, he said to me, ‘Morton, I don’t understand a word you’re saying.’  And so, in a very weak voice I answered John, ‘I don’t know how I made it.’  The response to this was startling.  John jumped up and down, and with a kind of high monkey squeal, screeched, ‘Isn’t that marvelous.  Isn’t that wonderful.  It’s so beautiful, and he doesn’t know how he made it.’  Quite frankly, I sometimes wonder how my music would have turned out if John had not given me those early permissions to have confidence in my instincts.

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« Reply #42 on: April 13, 2020, 01:36:37 PM »
Some great suggestions so far. It’s very piano specific but I think this guy is great:
https://www.youtube.com/user/cedarvillemusic

A real emphasis on the almost lost classical traditions of partimento and improvisation.

This sort of stuff has been a part of my teaching for a long time so it’s nice to see. I’ve always been fascinated by the similarities between for example Nadia Boulanger’s teaching methods which were seen as old fashioned in the 1920s and the way jazz musicians learn.

Nahre Sol is fun too
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8R8FRt1KcPiR-rtAflXmeg

Instrumental tuition is somewhat more varied in quality as there’s a lot of emphasis on ‘hacks’. I’m teaching myself a new instrument and i certainly feels I’d be wasting a lot of time with rubbish if I wasn’t a professional already. There’s enough good stuff out there if you know what to look for though.

It’s under-appreciated the extent to which the church music scene in America (and the uk to a much lesser extent) is absolutely huge. Many musicians in the pop scene cut their teeth in that world and it fuels so much popular culture now. A lot of harmonic and rhythmic sophistication comes from that but it not cynical, it’s absolutely joyous.


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« Reply #44 on: June 06, 2020, 08:01:54 AM »
Yeah, Rick Beato is knowledgeable and many of his videos are informative, but a blow by blow account of any song, or a "top 20 greatest intros, drum fills, guitar solos, etc", is a fairly pointless exercise (aside from being clickbait) compared to his videos on modes and symmetrical scales, or how computers have screwed rock music, and why audiences have abandoned rock music. I wish he'd focus less on rock, actually, and let us see more of his jazz roots, but that's also not clickbaity enough for him.

Looks like the lockdown has moved Rick Beato into a preferable mode for me; his lockdown videos have been amongst his best ever, exploring his love, and knowledge, of music in a more personal way.

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« Reply #45 on: June 06, 2020, 08:24:27 AM »
Discovered Tantacrul recently[1], who is primarily a composer in real life and talks about music with a sense of humour, to produce stuff like this:

Corporate Music - How to Compose with no Soul
 1. via Shostakovich - How to Compose Music Despite [ R E D A C T E D ][1]
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« Reply #46 on: June 06, 2020, 10:37:10 AM »
4/4:

1          2          3          4
Oh         Mickey     you're so  fine

1          2          3          4
You're so  fine you   blow my    mind, Hey

1          2          3          4
Mickey!    (clap-clap)           (clap), Hey

1          2          3          4
Mickey!    (clap-clap)           (clap)


Four beats (the 1, 2, 3, 4 bit) and four bars (there are four lines, then the phrase repeats).


Middle 8:

(If you're listening to a song that's got quite a standard structure) the middle 8 is basically that bit that happens about two thirds of the way through the song that isn't the verse or the chorus. (In songs that have vocals, it's often instrumental.)

That is one of the few things I hate about music. For something that is meant to be free expressionism and a do what you want attitude to it. Music is so formulated. If you don't play an instrument in the right way or make a song in the right way, it doesn't sound 'right' to people.

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« Reply #47 on: June 06, 2020, 11:15:11 AM »
They're just devices that can work; there's no hard and fast rule that they must be adhered to, as was exemplified to myself when I randomly chose to break down River Deep, Mountain High (see earlier, upthread) into sections and realised how unlike a standard song structure it was.

Describing the structure of something in hindsight does not prove that it was written to fit that structure, which is what I think you are implying. That's a problem with musicology rather than the music it tries to explain.

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« Reply #48 on: June 06, 2020, 11:57:14 PM »
Got to love Adam Neely:

The ****ed up legacy of the arrest of Miles Davis

I can’t watch more than 30 seconds off him and his affected, smug drawl. Beato is great, though: not up himself, just a genuine, humble enthusiastic guy.

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« Reply #49 on: June 07, 2020, 02:37:33 AM »
That is one of the few things I hate about music. For something that is meant to be free expressionism and a do what you want attitude to it. Music is so formulated. If you don't play an instrument in the right way or make a song in the right way, it doesn't sound 'right' to people.

I get the impression that's the sort of thing that drove people like John Cage to spend such a lot of time on looking for alternate sounds and ways of creating music, just sick to death of how rigid music can get, although No Sleeps point about them just being tools is spot on.

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« Reply #50 on: June 07, 2020, 03:36:06 AM »
I can’t watch more than 30 seconds off him and his affected, smug drawl. Beato is great, though: not up himself, just a genuine, humble enthusiastic guy.

I would have said that Rick Beato is the smug one of the two and a bit too needy for me too; until this lockdown (he's been far for more genuine and honest). I'd say Neely is the the one with a genuine humility and sense of humour.

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« Reply #51 on: June 07, 2020, 12:21:13 PM »
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Music is so formulated. If you don't play an instrument in the right way or make a song in the right way, it doesn't sound 'right' to people.

I have never had that impression. Musical genres all have fans who use their understanding of the genre to say stuff like that at times. Some people don't understand or appreciate atonal music, for example, yet it has a significant fan base. Who decides what sounds right? I think some music that is enjoyed by millions sounds like a meteor of turds colliding with a malattended substation. Am I right?

One of the joys of playing an instrument or composing is that you can pick up techniques or 'what sounds right' to you organically through experimenting. And because you are alone there is no pressure or disappointment if you feel something sounds wrong. You need to practise to improve your technique, so you may as well try to keep it fun and low pressure.

Formal learning on the other hand can save some time at the start and provide a good grounding, but depending on your mindset it can encourage rigidity. Classical music is a good example of a cultural phenomenon with embedded rituals and traditions which to a section of its fans are as important as the music itself. Some reject modernism and any attempts to reform classical instrumentation, the composition of orchestra, performance format etc. It seems they just want a preserved in aspic idyll of high culture which makes only familiar reinforcing sounds.

On a personal note electronics have done a lot to progress the development of 'texture' and the variety of sounds available as the manipulation of aural space and sound can be more fine tuned, taking listeners to different places trad bands and orchestras tend not to even try and reach. It has tapped into emotions and experiences which preciously didn't have musical representation (or if they did were imprecise and not made with the most suitable equipment).

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« Reply #52 on: June 07, 2020, 12:40:29 PM »
If we're talking smug, I can't fucking stand that grinning twit Jacob Collier. His music is shit as well, though all the other Youtube musos seem to love him.

David Bruce is a contemporary classical composer whose channel has some interesting videos about classical composition, and how it relates to pop music and various non-western musical traditions.

Also like Nahre Sol's channel, particularly her "... as digested by a classical pianist" videos, where she's investigating different genres like flamenco, hip hop, electronic music etc and trying to incorporate them into her playing.

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« Reply #53 on: June 07, 2020, 01:12:56 PM »
If we're talking smug, I can't fucking stand that grinning twit Jacob Collier. His music is shit as well, though all the other Youtube musos seem to love him.

I get the feeling they point toward him from a safe distance, if at all. At least Jacob Collier thinks Jacob Collier is amazing.

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« Reply #54 on: June 11, 2020, 02:14:45 AM »
it's not really as high concept as some of these, but I enjoy https://www.youtube.com/user/MusicTheoryForGuitar

best intro of the bunch, and the white board and simple loops are the easiest of all of these people to understand for me.

Never really got into Rick Beatos theory stuff but I'll give him a look as his other videos are good.


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« Reply #55 on: September 07, 2020, 06:35:22 PM »
Adam Neely's latest video is outstanding.

Music Theory is Racist


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