Casino ( Dir. Martin Scorcese, 1996) Is A Crap Film

[Lisa Jesusandmarychain]

And Sharon Stone can't act.
Or, she overacts in lieu of not being able to act , like Vicki Michelle in " ' Allo, 'Allo".

What a very correct thread this is.

[non capisco]

No, it's good, you motherfucking mutt, you.

[bgmnts]

Its not as good as Mean Streets or The Departed but it is quite good. The Nicky Santoro hit is particularly gruesome

[QDRPHNC]

First half brilliant second half shit.

[ZoyzaSorris]

Too long and just depressing. I'm not really into films about charmless unpleasant shits though. Enough of them in reality to need to duplicate them fictionally.

[PlanktonSideburns]

Stone is justifiably hysterical in this film because everyone in her environs behave like double barreled pasta-shagging AIDS-WRAITHS

[Monsieur Verdoux]

Used to love it when I was 14 or so, watched it again recently and a lot of the shine had worn off. Scorsese loves improv too much, quite frankly, and there's too many scenes that go absolutely nowhere and are just people 'acting' at each other. 'New York, New York' and 'Wolf of Wall Street' are the worst for this, 'Goodfellas' narrowly avoids it, but 'Casino' is horribly distended in parts. There are some incredible sequences, like the bit where De Niro sees Sharon Stone for the first time, and the dissolution of their marriage is suitably visceral, but it seems to lose its footing at the half way mark in quite a big way and it just becomes one thing after another. The finely wrought emotional arc of 'The Irishman' seems much more satisfying by comparison.

[DrGreggles]

Its not as good as Mean Streets or The Departed but it is quite good. The Nicky Santoro hit is particularly gruesome

I'd take Casino over The Departed any day.
I loved the Infernal Affairs trilogy and The Departed just felt like a lacklustre (and needless) remake.

[Sebastian Cobb]

I'd take Casino over The Departed any day.
I loved the Infernal Affairs trilogy and The Departed just felt like a lacklustre (and needless) remake.

This.

Although, I find actual casino's really boring, but I love films about them where everything turns to shit, doesn't matter if it's the punters or the people running it, it all shows all the glitz and supposed glamour of the places as complete artifice hiding hollow misery.

[Keebleman]

I've seen the movie just the once and I'm not a fan - not that much of a fan of Scorsese in fact - but I love watching this particular clip.  Every element, from costumes to shot choices, is terrific.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L5Zx34mjUU

[Bence Fekete]

Never understood why Casino gets so much flak on here/in general/ever.

I've probably watched it 8 or so times by now (well look at me). Still enjoying and picking out new stuff. I think it whizzes by people because of it's weird energy but when you break it down there's some truly masterful editing and storytelling.

And Ginger is a revelation. Very tricky role with complex things to convey in every scene and I can't imagine anyone else doing all that so convincingly.   

[Monsieur Verdoux]

Stone is unequivocally fantastic in it, yes. The bust-up with De Niro in his front yard when the cops turn up is perfectly calibrated exasperation

[Noodle Lizard]

This.

Although, I find actual casino's really boring, but I love films about them where everything turns to shit, doesn't matter if it's the punters or the people running it, it all shows all the glitz and supposed glamour of the places as complete artifice hiding hollow misery.

You had a look at The Cooler?

[Sebastian Cobb]

You had a look at The Cooler?

Yes, really like it.

[Twit 2]

the fuck you lot on about Casino is great

[Noodle Lizard]

As far as Casino goes, I like it well enough. Watched it again a few months ago for the first time in at least a decade and honestly I'm not sure if it could be made now - if only for the fact that it's basically MGTOW: The Movie - but it's got some great performances (I'm on board with Sharon Stone being Good in it) and it's shocking how much of it was basically repeated in Scorsese's later works, especially Wolf of Wall Street and The Irishman. If anything, it's been more influential than Goodfellas in that regard. It also reminded me how good De Niro was back in the day, even in relatively understated roles. The three hours flew by, which is far more than I can say for WoWS or The Irishman. Scorsese was really good at this shit before it became what was expected of him - or maybe it was Pileggi.

[kidsick5000]

Its not as good as Mean Streets or The Departed

[Monsieur Verdoux]

yeah Casino, for all the flak I've given it, is still head and shoulders above The Departed, which barely rises above the level of a decent genre exercise

[Default to the negative]

The Departed and WoWS created perception of his later crime films being 'Scorsese by the numbers,' and now some people like to go back in time and tar Casino with the same shitty brush. But they're wrong to do so. He was still firing on all cylinders when he made Casino. The outbursts of violence may be formulaic, but the snappy dialogue matches anything in Goodfellas and the 1970s Vegas setting is interesting and vividly realised.

'Oh but he was just trying to do Goodfellas again. Whinge whinge whinge. Harumph!' Personally, I forgive the obvious similarities because I see Casino as an unofficial sequel, made to please people who wanted a little bit more of that same good stuff.

[Blumf]

Someone here suggested Goodfellas, Casino, and The Irishman make a nice series: Youth -> Middle age -> Old age.

Out of those three, I think I enjoy Casino the most.

[Monsieur Verdoux]

I would say that it's a tetralogy, with Mean Streets - Goodfellas - Casino - The Irishman

[bgmnts]

Fucking hell I put the Departed when I meant Goodfellas.

[chveik]

too late, the cinephile clique has already reported your post.

[mr. logic]

As far as Casino goes, I like it well enough. Watched it again a few months ago for the first time in at least a decade and honestly I'm not sure if it could be made now - if only for the fact that it's basically MGTOW: The Movie - but it's got some great performances (I'm on board with Sharon Stone being Good in it) and it's shocking how much of it was basically repeated in Scorsese's later works, especially Wolf of Wall Street and The Irishman. If anything, it's been more influential than Goodfellas in that regard. It also reminded me how good De Niro was back in the day, even in relatively understated roles. The three hours flew by, which is far more than I can say for WoWS or The Irishman. Scorsese was really good at this shit before it became what was expected of him - or maybe it was Pileggi.

What is MGTOW?

[greenman]

Men Go There Own Way, proto incels or a porn acronym, maybe both.

[Noodle Lizard]

What is MGTOW?

Yeah, Men Going Their Own Way (read the Reddit if you fancy a laugh on any given day). The Sharon Stone subplot is basically a movie version of what they think all relationships with women are like - a great alpha male reduced to a beta cuck. Not that that was the intention, of course, but I'm not sure it'd go down very well now.

[greenman]

It doesn't help I spose that Goodfellas and to a lesser degree Casino have become the holy grails of bro cinema.

[Default to the negative]

The MGTOW crowd usually like to see men as paragons of virtue and honour who fall victim to scheming women who lack those qualities. Casino doesn't work as a MGTOW crowd because the male characters are portrayed as money-obsessed, parasitic scumbags themselves. Ace clearly deserves to end up with someone like Ginger.

[Lisa Jesusandmarychain]

You could argue that's another reason why " Casino" is a crap film; there appear to be no likeable characters at all. How am I supposed to like a film, if there's no dashing hero/ heroine to root for? That Don Rickles character was bloody pointless too, mooching around looking like a bloated Victor Meldrew.I don't believe it, already!

Also , there's one scene where Joe Le Pesci  is being cross with Robert De Niro in the middle of the desert, which ends with himself saying something like " you motherfucker, you", which, due to that second appended " you" actually sounds quite comical. I think Non Capisco was alluding to it in the second post  on 'ere.

[Default to the negative]

You could argue that's another reason why " Casino" is a crap film; there appear to be no likeable characters at all.

I don't think that automatically makes a film crap. No one complains about a lack of likeable characters when it's a film like, say, The Piano Teacher.

'Didn't like the new Haneke because there was no one I could root for.'