Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]

[EasyToType]

This thread has about as much worth as an appraisal of the BAME community compiled by Stormfront

[JarrowMonkey]

I hope someone tells David that he's a thick cunt who will have blood on his hands (and not just from digging up roads).

Lot of first time Tory voters 'hoping' they will deliver on their promises

Well you can get fucked you dozy cunts

[BlodwynPig]

Lot of first time Tory voters 'hoping' they will deliver on their promises

Well you can get fucked you dozy cunts

I just can't...

I mean I just can't...

I don't...

I cannot fathom it...

I just can't...

CRETINS...OBLIVIOUS CRETINS

[Zetetic]

Interesting choice to emphasise regional "productivity" (a horrible misleading term) differences. Can't quite work out what that's about.

This keeps popping into my head - why is this there? It sort of frames the state of the North as the fault of the people I live there, I guess (given the misleading nature of the term "productivity", which the bloke endorses in his response).

Reminded of it this morning specifically by ONS regional GDP release:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpukregionsandcountries/apriltojune2019
(North West and West Midlands not looking well.)

[Buelligan]

Just looking over the last couple of pages, all of it seems to be about aspiration, people hoping for something - not sure what that thing is.  I'm guessing it's trading in some solidarity with the poor for a nice fat wedge and an executive hutch.  The success of which, the continued sale of which, relies somewhat on keeping at least some of the punters feeling like they're winning.  See any pyramid scheme you like, look at the UK housing market.  Tories need to deliver - at least to some.  And there have to be enough of them.

I think it would be very useful to patiently sprinkle every twitter thread, like the Dave from Bolton one, not with argument but with agreement.  Agreements saying, yup, I've done it too, I bet the farm, now Boris needs to deliver. 

Keep up the pressure on that, let this aspiration, these dreams, become an albatross, a noose for the awful cunt, because we all know he's never going to pay out.  That's my advice.

[Blumf]

See any pyramid scheme you like, look at the UK housing market.  Tories need to deliver - at least to some.  And there have to be enough of them.

Ding-dong, special delivery

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/07/key-workers-to-be-given-30-discount-in-new-housing-scheme

Key workers, such as nurses, police and military personnel, will get priority under a new scheme offering homes for first-time buyers at a 30% discount, the housing secretary will say on Friday.

Robert Jenrick, the housing secretary, said the new "First Homes" scheme, first announced during the election campaign, would save eligible buyers an average of approximately £100,000 on a first property.

30% of a first time buyer house is 100 grand!?

And just to be 100% clear, the house builders raise the price to take all of that money. These schemes are just too funnel money to house builders, nothing else.

How can this keep on going?

[TheBrownBottle]

Ding-dong, special delivery

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/07/key-workers-to-be-given-30-discount-in-new-housing-scheme
30% of a first time buyer house is 100 grand!?

And just to be 100% clear, the house builders raise the price to take all of that money. These schemes are just too funnel money to house builders, nothing else.

How can this keep on going?

This has been going on in one form or another for some time.  An example: under Section 106 (of the Planning Act of 1990) it is a requirement that a developer looking to built a significant number of private properties for sale has to also build 'affordable' (social) housing.  These houses are built at the same standard as the rest of the estate.  So if you build an estate of 200 5-bed £400k houses, usually at least 10% of these will be 5-bed houses for 'affordable' use.

All the Tories need to do is scrap the T&C Planning Act & introduce this 30% scheme and Bob's your uncle.  30% off the SALE value (not the build value) of a limited number of houses will undoubtedly be cheaper for the developer than the current system.  And the current system doesn't do close to enough to build enough affordable housing.  The developers will be much better off - I wouldn't be surprised if some of the big boys suggested this.

EDIT: it's worth noting that most developers in the UK work on the basis of the sale value being at least 30% more than the build cost.  The build cost will include all the standard profit margin for the builder - they don't need to claw anything back - they just waive the surplus value. 

[Zetetic]

And just to be 100% clear, the house builders raise the price to take all of that money. These schemes are just too funnel money to house builders, nothing else.

And presumably those providing mortgages, for now anyway.

(Upon which pension funds increasingly depend, right?)

[José]

i'm going to prison under new anti-BDS laws for refusing a second falafel, so the outside world's dead to me anyway.

[Fambo Number Mive]

The Government have spent £112,125 on a website about school funding that only shows funding changes since 2019 - ignoring the years of Tory education cuts:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ministers-blow-100k-propaganda-rival-21452524

[Fambo Number Mive]

DC has a new way of not answering questions - reference children's characters: https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1227173084639133696

Pathetic that the media doesn't call him out on this.

[BlodwynPig]

DC has a new way of not answering questions - reference children's characters: https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1227173084639133696

Pathetic that the media doesn't call him out on this.

*Removes shotgun from cabinet*

[Blinder Data]

It's a trite thing to say but viciously insulting people who you want to vote Labour but vote Tory instead is not a good way of getting others on your side

[Fambo Number Mive]

It's a trite thing to say but viciously insulting people who you want to vote Labour but vote Tory instead is not a good way of getting others on your side

Who is doing the insulting?

[Blinder Data]

A few posters over the last two pages

[holyzombiejesus]

It's a trite thing to say but viciously insulting people who you want to vote Labour but vote Tory instead is not a good way of getting others on your side

I know what you mean but when you look at what they've knowingly turned their backs on and opted instead to embrace, it's hard not to think of them as cunts. Stupid nasty cunts. It's not the right approach but we're all still grieving, we can at least let off steam before working out what to do next.

[Big Mclargehuge]

I know what you mean but when you look at what they've knowingly turned their backs on and opted instead to embrace, it's hard not to think of them as cunts. Stupid nasty cunts. It's not the right approach but we're all still grieving, we can at least let off steam before working out what to do next.

In fairness; after the last 10 years I've become fairly convinced that these people wont be won over. I think that's been the mistake of the last 30-40 years is believing that these people, with the right tact. the right nudge in just the right place. Will suddenly fully embrace socialism and rescind there conservative ways.

I think it took this last election to make that abundantly clear to me. These people not only don't care to change, they actively seem invested in this desolation. A bit like when you go into a bookies or a casino and see someone sat glazed over at the slots pumping in pound after pound after pound. never winning. but always thinking it's just one more nudge till it happens.

It took the last 2 elections for me to realise these people will never be reasoned with because they're being irrational and have tunnel vision for a version of there own unique reality they'll never actually achieve. I've seen it in people with suicidal tendencies. they get a compulsion almost to do certain things and nothing you can ever say, do or try will ever break them of that until they come to that realisation themselves.

The problem here is ideologies are too hard to break through words alone. So I've now accepted that the entire country needs to be destroyed...like. properly hollowed out, and a lot of people need to die. Because literally; until that happens these people who're adamant that the tories are the right way to go simply wont believe how truly awful they are...the worrying thing is I think even in the  event of all this people will still deny it's happening...the rise in deaths of rough sleepers and people on benefits has done little to dissuade people from voting Tory in recent years.

On the plus side once you accept these people are fundamentally broken and that you cant help them. They have to suffer and realise they were wrong themselves it's tremendously liberating...even quite enjoyable at times. I've confused and baffled so many tories in various comment sections who've told me to "Suck it up" only to be met with giggling...they pretty much become defanged when they realise you arnt backing any party anymore...you're just waiting for them to die at their own hands...

they don't like it up them...

[BlodwynPig]

Bempt Luego
Bempt Luego
Where's the Party at?

[Sony Walkman Prophecies]

In fairness; after the last 10 years I've become fairly convinced that these people wont be won over. I think that's been the mistake of the last 30-40 years is believing that these people, with the right tact. the right nudge in just the right place. Will suddenly fully embrace socialism and rescind there conservative ways.

I think it took this last election to make that abundantly clear to me. These people not only don't care to change, they actively seem invested in this desolation. A bit like when you go into a bookies or a casino and see someone sat glazed over at the slots pumping in pound after pound after pound. never winning. but always thinking it's just one more nudge till it happens.

It took the last 2 elections for me to realise these people will never be reasoned with because they're being irrational and have tunnel vision for a version of there own unique reality they'll never actually achieve. I've seen it in people with suicidal tendencies. they get a compulsion almost to do certain things and nothing you can ever say, do or try will ever break them of that until they come to that realisation themselves.

The problem here is ideologies are too hard to break through words alone. So I've now accepted that the entire country needs to be destroyed...like. properly hollowed out, and a lot of people need to die. Because literally; until that happens these people who're adamant that the tories are the right way to go simply wont believe how truly awful they are...the worrying thing is I think even in the  event of all this people will still deny it's happening...the rise in deaths of rough sleepers and people on benefits has done little to dissuade people from voting Tory in recent years.

On the plus side once you accept these people are fundamentally broken and that you cant help them. They have to suffer and realise they were wrong themselves it's tremendously liberating...even quite enjoyable at times. I've confused and baffled so many tories in various comment sections who've told me to "Suck it up" only to be met with giggling...they pretty much become defanged when they realise you arnt backing any party anymore...you're just waiting for them to die at their own hands...

they don't like it up them...

Thus spoke an ideologue...

I've said it before and I'll say it again: most people don't give a shit about ideology. The number of true blue Conservatives dwindles with every election. If you take social conservatives into account (of the Peter Hitchens variety) the number decreases even further.

What people want to see that the bins are collected on time, the roads aren't riddled with potholes, and there's enough food on the shelves to feed the family. The common delusion amongst the hard-left is that people are politically indoctrinated as they are. In reality, people just want a degree of stability and a modicum of common sense. If that means voting in a party that 'just about works' as opposed to one 'proven not to work', they'll vote for the former early time.

None of this is likely to change due to either large scale slaughter or the gradual dying off of baby boomers. This is basic psychology that applies throughout the ages.

[Big Mclargehuge]

Thus spoke an ideologue...

I've said it before and I'll say it again: most people don't give a shit about ideology. The number of true blue Conservatives dwindles with every election. If you take social conservatives into account (of the Peter Hitchens variety) the number decreases even further.

What people want to see that the bins are collected on time, the roads aren't riddled with potholes, and there's enough food on the shelves to feed the family. The common delusion amongst the hard-left is that people are politically indoctrinated as they are. In reality, people just want a degree of stability and a modicum of common sense. If that means voting in a party that 'just about works' as opposed to one 'proven not to work', they'll vote for the former early time.

None of this is likely to change due to either large scale slaughter or the gradual dying off of baby boomers. This is basic psychology that applies throughout the ages.

Y'see I would have agreed with you on this before the 2017 elections. I understand that people want an easy life where things are done properly and on time and theres little to no hassle involved. but theres equally been 10 years of the exact opposite of that and people are still voting for them. I dont think they're brainwashed. I just think they either dont pay enough attention to just how cuntish these people are or they think "Im alright so it's not a problem" which is the exact problem. as a country we're effectively now jumping manically up and down on rotten floorboards atop a belltower whilst simultaniously shouting "Im alright Jack" and I firmly believe that those people will only wish they'd not done what they'd done on this when the floor gives way and they're picking whats left of there skull out of the font.

You cant reason with people who think they're alright. they think they're alright. and they dont appreciate the nutter ranting about the gremlin on the wing of the plane so to speak...the only way they'll learn is to experience hardship and know there life isnt "Alright" then they'll vote differently...if they dont after that...well then I have no words...

[Famous Mortimer]

Thus spoke an ideologue...

I've said it before and I'll say it again: most people don't give a shit about ideology. The number of true blue Conservatives dwindles with every election. If you take social conservatives into account (of the Peter Hitchens variety) the number decreases even further.

What people want to see that the bins are collected on time, the roads aren't riddled with potholes, and there's enough food on the shelves to feed the family. The common delusion amongst the hard-left is that people are politically indoctrinated as they are. In reality, people just want a degree of stability and a modicum of common sense. If that means voting in a party that 'just about works' as opposed to one 'proven not to work', they'll vote for the former early time.

None of this is likely to change due to either large scale slaughter or the gradual dying off of baby boomers. This is basic psychology that applies throughout the ages.

Thus spoke someone who apparently understands the entirety of human motivation and psychology.

[Cuellar]

What people want to see that the bins are collected on time, the roads aren't riddled with potholes, and there's enough food on the shelves to feed the family.

Then why did they vote in large numbers for a party that will not achieve these things (barring perhaps the bin bit)

[Sebastian Cobb]

Sadness in his eyes.

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Thus spoke an ideologue...

I've said it before and I'll say it again: most people don't give a shit about ideology. The number of true blue Conservatives dwindles with every election. If you take social conservatives into account (of the Peter Hitchens variety) the number decreases even further.

What people want to see that the bins are collected on time, the roads aren't riddled with potholes, and there's enough food on the shelves to feed the family. The common delusion amongst the hard-left is that people are politically indoctrinated as they are. In reality, people just want a degree of stability and a modicum of common sense. If that means voting in a party that 'just about works' as opposed to one 'proven not to work', they'll vote for the former early time.

None of this is likely to change due to either large scale slaughter or the gradual dying off of baby boomers. This is basic psychology that applies throughout the ages.

Ten years of merciless austerity has really helped with all these concerns. Last time I checked local residents were organising to sue our Tory council over the state of the roads, the Hospitals are a shambles, getting a doctors appointment is so difficult that many people just turn up at A&E and take their chances, the refuse collection system is fucked and most of the buses have been cancelled. But still they vote for the cunts.

I guess Conservatives can point to the fact that society hasn't totally broken down and we haven't all toppled into the sea on their watch but aside from that I've no idea what we've got to show from a solid decade of these twats.

[chveik]

If that means voting in a party that 'just about works' as opposed to one 'proven not to work', they'll vote for the former early time.

when was that proven? do you think the bins wouldn't have been collected on time with a labour government? your argument makes tory voters even thicker.

[bgmnts]

Are xenophobia and nationalism not ideologies? Lets not pretend, that's 90% of the thick cunt vote right there.

[Cuellar]

your argument makes tory voters even thicker.

Or at the very least, is a better argument for them being ideologues. A party that DOESN'T do what you want but you vote for them anyway.

[colacentral]

Ten years of merciless austerity has really helped with all these concerns. Last time I checked local residents were organising to sue our Tory council over the state of the roads, the Hospitals are a shambles, getting a doctors appointment is so difficult that many people just turn up at A&E and take their chances, the refuse collection system is fucked and most of the buses have been cancelled. But still they vote for the cunts.

I guess Conservatives can point to the fact that society hasn't totally broken down and we haven't all toppled into the sea on their watch but aside from that I've no idea what we've got to show from a solid decade of these twats.

Because of Brexit. How many times does it need to be said? They had the Brexit life line, they were fucking lucky they did. There is no need to be so nihilistic. Most people don't follow politics that closely, but Brexit is a culture defining thing where even if you know nothing on detail you've been made to pick a side. People who never look at any news hear Brexit for years, then look up from under their rock during election time, hear "Get Brexit Done" and think "yeah get it done, I agree with that." Not much more to it than that.

The good news is that Brexit is wholly the Conservatives' albatross to carry now.

[idunnosomename]

if the mariner was a tory he'd just be like fuck the albatross it shat in my face, chuck it in the sea with all the other slimy creatures, and fuck all you dying people. onward to new challenges. unleash the ship's potential, whatever the fuck we're supposed to be doing out here

[The Culture Bunker]

The good news is that Brexit is wholly the Conservatives' albatross to carry now.

Nah, if it does end up going absolutely tits up, they'll have ready made targets to blame.

"It was those horrid Europeans, they wouldn't work with us to get a deal!"
"If only those remainers had got on board in 2017, it would have gone perfectly. We've had to pick up a right mess!"
"Remoaners just didn't believe in it hard enough. They sabotaged it - the enemy within!"
"Immigrants!"

And so on.