Author Topic: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]  (Read 6959 times)

BlodwynPig

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Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #150 on: February 12, 2020, 08:02:17 AM »

The good news is that Brexit is wholly the Conservatives' albatross to carry now.

For years on this forum we've heard these placating words, like a soothing balm. NONE OF IT HAS MADE ANY DIFFERENCE AND OFTEN PROVEN FALSE.

Much better to post that AFTER THEIR DESTRUCTION (If ever).

FUCK ORACLES

Cuellar

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Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #151 on: February 12, 2020, 01:09:12 PM »
Lots of Tories On Twitter, or at least people who said they voted Tory, very upset that Ofcom will be regulating social media.

'They're gonna be a one term government - watch the polls tank'

Fucking  lol

Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #152 on: February 12, 2020, 02:36:53 PM »
For years on this forum we've heard these placating words, like a soothing balm. NONE OF IT HAS MADE ANY DIFFERENCE AND OFTEN PROVEN FALSE.

Much better to post that AFTER THEIR DESTRUCTION (If ever).

FUCK ORACLES

The point being that it will become a past tense subject, not a future tense magic button to press which will fix all of the UK's problems. The Brexit conversation will shift from "should we make Britain great again with Brexit?" to "what did you all think of Brexit? Good was it?" The Tories will be in a position of having to explain it. It changes the dynamic of how the next election will be fought.

And for the umpteenth time, the global economy is teetering on the brink of a bigger collapse than 2008.The Tories being in power during that will destroy their biggest weapon against Labour.

People have been saying it for years because it's true. Brexit bought a few more years but even if its failure will be blamed on something else, there is no magic button referendum issue to come and replace it and be used as a carrot the way Brexit was with "Get Brexit Done."

Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #153 on: February 12, 2020, 02:38:10 PM »
FUCK ORACLES

Oh, and go fuck yourself you rude miserable cunt.

Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #154 on: February 12, 2020, 02:40:11 PM »
How can people keep deluding themselves like this thinking its all going to be alright? I get it's probably still alright for them so despair doesn't hit fully but cmon.

BlodwynPig

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Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #155 on: February 12, 2020, 02:47:30 PM »
Oh, and go fuck yourself you rude miserable cunt.

You asked for it with your “wiser than thou” preddos.

That goes for all wannabe Nostros

Famous Mortimer

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Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #156 on: February 12, 2020, 02:54:22 PM »
The point being that it will become a past tense subject, not a future tense magic button to press which will fix all of the UK's problems. The Brexit conversation will shift from "should we make Britain great again with Brexit?" to "what did you all think of Brexit? Good was it?" The Tories will be in a position of having to explain it. It changes the dynamic of how the next election will be fought.

And for the umpteenth time, the global economy is teetering on the brink of a bigger collapse than 2008.The Tories being in power during that will destroy their biggest weapon against Labour.

People have been saying it for years because it's true. Brexit bought a few more years but even if its failure will be blamed on something else, there is no magic button referendum issue to come and replace it and be used as a carrot the way Brecir was with "Get Brexit Done."

Why do you think the media will suddenly start reporting on these things fairly? Why do you think the Tories need a "magic button referendum issue"? Did the far-right governments that have won power all over the world in the last decade need those to win?

Let's just say every baseless supposition in your post comes to pass. What's the alternative going to be? Will Labour suggest we rejoin the EU? Have another referendum? It looks like their new leadership will be substantially to the right of Corbyn. What are they going to offer that'll get people to vote for them? Will the people who went out knocking on doors for Corbyn be as enthused by Jane Centrist, and if not how do you anticipate Labour winning a majority in Parliament?

Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #157 on: February 12, 2020, 02:59:19 PM »
You asked for it with your “wiser than thou” preddos.

That goes for all wannabe Nostros

You, and Paul Calf and others are doing the same thing with your doom and gloom, predicting an eternity of Tory rule. How is that any different? How does your nihilism help anyone?

May I remind you that the thread title is "will the Tory party do well?" to which I'm giving an answer, that being a "preddo" as the answer hasn't fucking happened yet.

"Wiser than thou." It's an honest opinion and a reason to stay optimistic.

How can people keep deluding themselves like this thinking its all going to be alright? I get it's probably still alright for them so despair doesn't hit fully but cmon.

Was this aimed at me too? I don't think five years of Tory rule is going to be alright obviously. We're talking about beyond that. Why even be part of a political party if you think there's no point?

Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #158 on: February 12, 2020, 03:12:05 PM »
Why do you think the media will suddenly start reporting on these things fairly? Why do you think the Tories need a "magic button referendum issue"? Did the far-right governments that have won power all over the world in the last decade need those to win?

Let's just say every baseless supposition in your post comes to pass. What's the alternative going to be? Will Labour suggest we rejoin the EU? Have another referendum? It looks like their new leadership will be substantially to the right of Corbyn. What are they going to offer that'll get people to vote for them? Will the people who went out knocking on doors for Corbyn be as enthused by Jane Centrist, and if not how do you anticipate Labour winning a majority in Parliament?

Again, you're having a dig at me for "baseless suppositions" when the title of the thread is inviting speculation and there are alot of posts in this thread predicting an eternity of Tory wins based on nothing but emotion.

Far-right governments have won around the world; there have also been historic left-wing gains and wins.

The Tories need a catchy culture defining cause like Brexit because it boils complicated issues down into a binary with us or against us mentality. Maybe another one could be manufactured but I don't see it.

Your second paragraph about Labour - obviously I'm supporting RLB and I'm working on the hope that she will win. Even if it ends up being Starmer I'll hope we can weather it and keep him in check. I think they would be insane to float EU referendums as an idea and for that reason I'm choosing to believe they wouldn't.

These are just my opinions, but I shouldn't have to add that as a disclaimer. This is a speculation thread.

Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #159 on: February 12, 2020, 03:17:59 PM »
Why do you think the media will suddenly start reporting on these things fairly? Why do you think the Tories need a "magic button referendum issue"? Did the far-right governments that have won power all over the world in the last decade need those to win?

Let's just say every baseless supposition in your post comes to pass. What's the alternative going to be? Will Labour suggest we rejoin the EU? Have another referendum? It looks like their new leadership will be substantially to the right of Corbyn. What are they going to offer that'll get people to vote for them? Will the people who went out knocking on doors for Corbyn be as enthused by Jane Centrist, and if not how do you anticipate Labour winning a majority in Parliament?

Which parts by the way are "baseless supposition"? Brexit will become a past tense issue, as in we have left the EU. The global economy will crash - plenty of evidence for this. The only prediction I can see you having an issue with is how this will affect the Tories. The media are biased and people are stupid but strength on the economy is the myth the Tories' campaigns are traditionally fought on.

BlodwynPig

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Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #160 on: February 12, 2020, 04:54:49 PM »
In an hour i will be with the minister for business innovation and skills, Chris Skidmore, what shall i do with him?

Norton Canes

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Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #161 on: February 12, 2020, 04:56:32 PM »
Tell him his job doesn't exist? Might want to break it gently. Also ask him what the fuck he's actually been doing.

BlodwynPig

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Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #162 on: February 12, 2020, 04:58:47 PM »
I wondered why the acronym was BEIS! Thanks, you avoided a faux pas!

BlodwynPig

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Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #163 on: February 12, 2020, 09:16:50 PM »
He used the phrase “levelling up”

Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #164 on: February 12, 2020, 09:21:21 PM »
pull his dick off and shove it up his arse

chveik

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Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #165 on: February 12, 2020, 09:24:57 PM »
just fucking kill him

BlodwynPig

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Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #166 on: February 12, 2020, 09:36:15 PM »
Ive left and just made the earlier train in a mad sweat thanks to security refusing to give me my bag because i lost my cloakroom ticket. The head of news at New Scientist, though!!!

Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #167 on: February 14, 2020, 03:17:55 PM »
Found the secret to what's going on



SLITHEEN

you'll know when she starts farting.

Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #168 on: February 15, 2020, 09:24:55 AM »
don't worry everyone, Queen Marina has written a SKEWERING column in the guardian and Twitter is ablaze! It doesn't look good for Boris!

Blumf

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Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #169 on: Today at 12:12:02 AM »
Heh, that crazy guy and his eugenics ideas!

Meanwhile...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51550421
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Low-skilled workers would not get visas under post-Brexit immigration plans unveiled by the government.
...
In total, immigrants would have to reach 70 points to be able to work in the UK, with points also being awarded for qualifications, the salary on offer and working in a sector with shortages.
...
Proposed points system
Mandatory requirementsPoints
Job offer from approved sponsor20
Job at appropriate skill level20
English at required level10
Points for salaryPoints
£20,480 – £23,0390
£23,040 – £25,59910
£25,600 or above20
Additional pointsPoints
Job in a shortage occupation20
PhD in subject relevant to the job10
PhD in relevant STEM subject20

Mr_Simnock

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Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #170 on: Today at 12:33:25 AM »
You, and Paul Calf and others are doing the same thing with your doom and gloom, predicting an eternity of Tory rule. How is that any different? How does your nihilism help anyone?

May I remind you that the thread title is "will the Tory party do well?" to which I'm giving an answer, that being a "preddo" as the answer hasn't fucking happened yet.

"Wiser than thou." It's an honest opinion and a reason to stay optimistic.

Was this aimed at me too? I don't think five years of Tory rule is going to be alright obviously. We're talking about beyond that. Why even be part of a political party if you think there's no point?

They just enjoy being miserable little cucks and like to pile onto anyone who disagrees, it's all getting a bit poisonous to be honest.

Danger Man

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Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #171 on: Today at 12:39:21 AM »
In an hour i will be with the minister for business innovation and skills, Chris Skidmore, what shall i do with him?

Suck his cock?

It seems the most likely event despite all your posturing on here.


Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #172 on: Today at 12:39:49 AM »
Heh, that crazy guy and his eugenics ideas!

Meanwhile...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51550421

As someone who has actually been through the much-vaunted Australian points system that they claim to be mirroring, there definitely wasn’t anything re income in there for all but a handful of jobs.  Age was a bigger factor; clearly what Australia wants is people who’ll actually settle and add to the country.  The Tory rules appear to be geared towards income and age is disregarded.  Under the proposed system, a 70-year-old on a £30k income will have a chance of getting in, whilst a 22-year-old on £19k will be turned away; I know which one I’d see as a long-term burden & which one I’d see as beneficial to the economy in the long run.

Australia also gives visas to those who might be considered ‘low skilled’; it’s about need not pieces of paper.

I don’t doubt the Tories will make a right fucking mess of it. 

Blumf

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Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #173 on: Today at 12:49:43 AM »
Presumably this is just to let you in, not naturalise, so a 70 year old will only be allowed for as long as they hold the job.

Mr_Simnock

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Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #174 on: Today at 12:52:02 AM »
I don’t doubt the Tories will make a right fucking mess of it.

the amount of shite the tories say they will do then never do it is considerable, I doubt it will even happen, just some shite to tell the electorate last December to get them to vote for em.

Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #175 on: Today at 12:52:34 AM »
Possibly, though the Australian points system is used for permanent residency rather than temporary work visas

Again, I think you’re most likely correct - it’s just when they’ve spent three years (UKIP even longer) constantly banging on about Australia’s PS then it’s what the public might have reasonably expected it to look like.  This is nothing like it.

Danger Man

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Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #176 on: Today at 12:55:17 AM »
You, and Paul Calf and others are doing the same thing with your doom and gloom, predicting an eternity of Tory rule. How is that any different? How does your nihilism help anyone?

Blodwynpig is part of a pair of lunatics that are in the top ten posters on here. Maybe they are sleeper cells.

BlodwynPig only makes sense if you think he actually works for the KGB. He hates the BBC, that's a given, but everything else is just drivel. Nothing makes sense apart from 'give me tenure in a country I pretend to hate'. Fucking hell, he makes Pancreas look good. His posts are purely designed to chip away at the UK for no obvious reason. He's clearly taking orders from Putin.

His partner Buelligan is just as insane but a lot simpler. She lives a Libertarian lifestyle in France but wants socialism in the UK. Probably to get back at her father.

God knows how they have gotten away with it for so long.

chveik

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Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #177 on: Today at 02:05:34 AM »
aren't spies supposed to pretend to like the country they infiltrate?

BlodwynPig

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Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #178 on: Today at 07:45:55 AM »
Blodwynpig is part of a pair of lunatics that are in the top ten posters on here. Maybe they are sleeper cells.

BlodwynPig only makes sense if you think he actually works for the KGB. He hates the BBC, that's a given, but everything else is just drivel. Nothing makes sense apart from 'give me tenure in a country I pretend to hate'. Fucking hell, he makes Pancreas look good. His posts are purely designed to chip away at the UK for no obvious reason. He's clearly taking orders from Putin.

His partner Buelligan is just as insane but a lot simpler. She lives a Libertarian lifestyle in France but wants socialism in the UK. Probably to get back at her father.

God knows how they have gotten away with it for so long.

Let's hold hands and run FREE

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Zetetic

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Re: Will the Tory party do well? [Split topic]
« Reply #179 on: Today at 08:26:06 AM »
Immigration policy announcement - in particular the Daily Mail frontpage - successfully provoking a bunch of fuckwits to bemoan the £25k cutoff as too high for nurses.

Easily rebutted by govt - there's a lower limit for shortage occupations - and distracts from any consideration of the fundamental principles.

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