Author Topic: The 10th Circle of Hell: Irish General Election 2020  (Read 4479 times)

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Re: The 10th Circle of Hell: Irish General Election 2020
« Reply #150 on: February 14, 2020, 07:52:01 PM »
Feel like fine gael are getting a fierce easy ride since the election and outright refusing to go into government. If you brand yourself as the sensible responsible party it's 100% on you to be open to forming a government. They can rule out one of the other two big parties but they can't rule out both.

Same applies for FF, but if both refuse to deal with SF then it's on them both to work together.
To be totally fair to Fine Gael, they came in third.

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Re: The 10th Circle of Hell: Irish General Election 2020
« Reply #151 on: February 14, 2020, 08:25:57 PM »
It's worrying that people overlook Ooh Ah Up the Ra because of a left-wing manifesto but what people want are affordable houses and no more old/sick people dying on trollies. The extremism we should worry about is Ooh Ah Up the Ra. We have to deal with Northern Ireland and we have to be respectful of the Unionists living there, like them or not.

Orange Bastards, sorry, Unionists, are probably having a little existential crisis at the moment. Basically, Brexit proved, and unequivocally shoved the proof in their collective faces, that the rest of the UK, and especially the Conservative and Unionist Party (to give BoJo's profiteering bastards their full title), does not care a jot about them and would cut them loose at the first opportunity if they could. Now they probably knew that deep down, but it was sufficiently in the background that they could pretend to ignore it. They kinda can't do that now that Johnson is putting a de facto customs border down the Irish Sea, and happily had said proposed border contribute to a collapse in his government so the media could win an election for him.

So what do they do now? There's no amount of special ethnic statuses and privileges around flags and parades that'll make being ruled by a "DUBLIN GOVERNMENT!" of any interest to them when they want to be British. NI is economically unviable in it's own right, so they have to just kind of put up with things and hope that Brexit doesn't fuck them too badly.

Trying to have a Border Poll under said circumstances will make us look like scheming Leprechauns trying to take advantage of Unionism's current problems, and is a surefire way to first of all, lose said Border Poll, and demolish any evolution in Northern Ireland's politics away from being a giant sectarian head count. They'll fall back into a neat little line of "No!!", no matter how badly Brexit goes.

Whilst I appreciate that a United Ireland is an explicitly stated goal of Sinn Fein, I'd expect a relatively capable politician like Mary Lou to know this and maybe shut the fuck up about it for a little while. But obviously not.

Inane ramble done.

Re: The 10th Circle of Hell: Irish General Election 2020
« Reply #152 on: February 14, 2020, 09:01:57 PM »
Martin is so desperate for the top job he will probably try and form an alliance with FG and Greens but he along with Leo surely know its the death of their respective parties if they are leading their parties once another election comes around.

On the immigration issue, I don't think its a major issue for Irish voters, their is definitely a biggish socially conservative but financially lefty voting bloc here who I assume vote for SF and FF. They just don't look at their policies on immigration in much depth.

Although you could argue in the more rural areas a dog whistle now and then hasn't exactly hurt some of the more outspoken indy's.

I'd also suggest to any party who wants to go down that road, at the very least hire a leader who scrubs up well. That Barrett chap could have the best policies in the world but just listen to him for more than 2 mins........


Re: The 10th Circle of Hell: Irish General Election 2020
« Reply #153 on: February 14, 2020, 11:05:55 PM »
Although you could argue in the more rural areas a dog whistle now and then hasn't exactly hurt some of the more outspoken indy's.
Can confirm an absolute psycho got some votes from relatives of mine due to playing into a combo of racism and anti-SF sentiment.

Re: The 10th Circle of Hell: Irish General Election 2020
« Reply #154 on: February 14, 2020, 11:31:51 PM »
Orange Bastards, sorry, Unionists, are probably having a little existential crisis at the moment. Basically, Brexit proved, and unequivocally shoved the proof in their collective faces, that the rest of the UK, and especially the Conservative and Unionist Party (to give BoJo's profiteering bastards their full title), does not care a jot about them and would cut them loose at the first opportunity if they could. Now they probably knew that deep down, but it was sufficiently in the background that they could pretend to ignore it. They kinda can't do that now that Johnson is putting a de facto customs border down the Irish Sea, and happily had said proposed border contribute to a collapse in his government so the media could win an election for him.

So what do they do now? There's no amount of special ethnic statuses and privileges around flags and parades that'll make being ruled by a "DUBLIN GOVERNMENT!" of any interest to them when they want to be British. NI is economically unviable in it's own right, so they have to just kind of put up with things and hope that Brexit doesn't fuck them too badly.

Trying to have a Border Poll under said circumstances will make us look like scheming Leprechauns trying to take advantage of Unionism's current problems, and is a surefire way to first of all, lose said Border Poll, and demolish any evolution in Northern Ireland's politics away from being a giant sectarian head count. They'll fall back into a neat little line of "No!!", no matter how badly Brexit goes.

Whilst I appreciate that a United Ireland is an explicitly stated goal of Sinn Fein, I'd expect a relatively capable politician like Mary Lou to know this and maybe shut the fuck up about it for a little while. But obviously not.

Inane ramble done.

Very similar conundrum that Sturgeon faces in Scotland, do you sit tight and hope that the Tories continue to destroy everything and that the demographic shift continues in your favour or do you grasp the current opportunity when things are so destabilised? The danger with waiting is that people normalise to the new situation and settle back into their "well it's not that bad" inertia.

The one thing that's sure though, the UK government will make it as difficult and painful as possible purely out of spite.

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