Civil war in The UK

[Danger Man]

Yeah...I genuinely can't think of a potential catalyst which would motivate the bovine British public to take to the streets, let alone kick off on a grand scale.

Enforced car sharing

[GMTV]

Scotland MUST be allowed to have an infinite number of referendums until a vote for independence is achieved. At that point no further referendums should ever be allowed ever again. Its the only way democracy can be upheld.

[Sebastian Cobb]

Scotland MUST be allowed to have an infinite number of referendums until a vote for independence is achieved. At that point no further referendums should ever be allowed ever again. Its the only way democracy can be upheld.

This implies you don't understand what a 'major constitutional' change is.

I suggest you evaluate whether or not this post is representative of your best work.

[SteK]

Me and the Grand Council got together and discussed this. I put in a good word for you, Paul, but the Elders said nay, nay, nivir. Absolutely not, sirrah! There was a lot of stomping and broken glass. I eventually took the point.

Sorry, but it seems you're not allowed to come to Scotland.

I've got two kids born In Scotland, they'll probably have an Elderly Relative Visa by then....

[Paulie Walnuts]

What do you reckon? Could we see civil war in this country for the first time in over 350 years? The fault lines are everywhere: urban/rural, Brexit/Remain, old/young, far-right/socialist, North/South and most strikingly, between the nations that constitute the United Kingdom. It's very possible that there could be violence on the Scottish border if Scotland is denied the right to choose its destiny.

The Balkanisation that's characterised politics in the West for the last few decades has begun to crystallise into opposing blocs, battle lines drawn.

Will you fight for the Roundheads or the Cavaliers? Will you fight with William Wallace or crush the rebellious Scots? Will you throw brickbats at Swastikas or march in Hugo Boss? Will you risk exposure, torture, ruination and death to oppose what you believe to be wrong?

These are questions that we've all asked ourselves in the shadow of WWII. Will we soon be able to answer?

EDIT: ...and Sex Pistols consider etc...

wwaaaaaaaahhhhh, we keep losing, wwaaaaaaahhhhh

how about coming up with electable ideas rather than reverting to type and setting fire to the place?

Scotland MUST be allowed to have an infinite number of referendums until a vote for independence is achieved. At that point no further referendums should ever be allowed ever again. Its the only way democracy can be upheld.

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[Cuellar]

CLIVE WAR

[jamiefairlie]

Scotland MUST be allowed to have an infinite number of referendums until a vote for independence is achieved. At that point no further referendums should ever be allowed ever again. Its the only way democracy can be upheld.

"allowed"

Also nobody is saying that democracy stops when we become independent. If a neo-unionist party wins power on that manifesto then of course they can do that. What's at stake here is that the Scottish parliament should have the power to hold these, or indeed any, referenda whenever they want. That is self-determination in practice.

[Buelligan]

Yeah...I genuinely can't think of a potential catalyst which would motivate the bovine British public to take to the streets, let alone kick off on a grand scale.

Absolutely.  As I may have mentioned before, quite interested in WW1 social/military history.  Just crack a bit of that to see what their betters put your ancestors through.  It doesn't even need to be recounted but it was about as existential as shit gets for huge numbers of the British working class and yet they came back, those that came back, to live in poverty and bow and scrape.  Not even a health service then.  Mild as milk.

[Zetetic]

The Balkanisation that's characterised politics in the West for the last few decades has begun to crystallise into opposing blocs, battle lines drawn.

One of the things that's actually worried me the most about the Brexit stuff was Slovenes saying that it reminded them of the early '90s.

I suppose one immediate distinction is that the ethnic/identity divisions don't break down in anything like the same way - the UK is 80%+ people living in "England" who considered themselves some variation on British and English. (For context, Serbia - the biggest Yugoslav republic - consisted of less than 50% of Yugoslavia and a great deal of the people who lived there didn't consider themselves some variation on Yugoslav and Serbs.)

Instead, we've mostly got the cities vs. the remnants and varying levels of ethnicity-linked consciousness in the nations of the UK (Wales, Scotland, NI) who are mostly very small. The latter might provoke more violence in the next few decades.

I do wonder whether we'll see any development of regional awareness in the bit referred to as "England". It's increasingly hard to see how any meaningful political development takes places in the UK unless the mass in the centre takes itself apart.

[idunnosomename]

i cant see a situation that would see a dissident grouping take arms against the government. for instance The Troubles don't have a high enough death toll to count as a civil war and they were horrible.

remember although it was spared the intercontinental sprees, England had its fair share of civil wars after all the invasions up to 1066

The Anarchy between Stephen and Matilda after the White Ship Incident, 1135-53
Revolt of 1173/4 against Henry II
First Barons' War 1215-17, where Louis VIII of France was installed as king over King John
Second Barons' War 1264-7, against Henry III that led to the foundation of parliament under Simon de Montfort
Despenser War of 1321/2 and 1326 Edward II vs Thomas Earl of Lancaster and Roger Mortimer that ended in Ed II getting a poker up his anus
The Welsh Rebellion of 1400-15 under Owain Glyndŵr (arguably since Wales was only a principality of England since Edward I conquered it)
The Wars of The Roses 1455-85 between Houses of Lancaster and York
The Pilgrimage of Grace of 1536 against the first phase of the Dissolution of the Monasteries in the North of England I think has to count as popular uprising rather than Civil War, but still. Same with the religious dissensions under Mary and Elizabeth. It's relatively quiet after that. Well terrorist attempt on James I's parliament. Then of course the English Civil War was actually in three phases and part of a wider series of conflicts known as the War of the Three Kingdoms (Ireland and Scotland) 1639-51
The "Glorious" Revolution of 1688 was not bloodless.

God if you get into Corn Laws and Peterloo thisll never end anyway it's always been shit

[Buelligan]

Why did you have to say the bit about the anus?  I hate that bit.

[idunnosomename]

it's only because it seems he was murdered in Berkeley Castle not long after being incarcerated, but because he was embalmed and laid out at Gloucester Abbey, that it must have been done in a way that left no marks on his body. The poker's then in chronicles of the 1330s and 40s i think. im not a proper historian. but punters love a bit of anal torture.

i mean it couldve been poison but that can make your corpse look bad too I suppose

[Buelligan]

Yes, yes, I know all of that.  Thank you.

I was horrified to learn they used to use this method on trapped leopards, when hunting them for skins (for similar reasons).  Haunted me ever since.  Horrible, the humans, ain't they?

[Cuellar]

Would it cauterise the ANUS? What would happen to the involuntary shitting of oneself that we can all look forward to upon DEATH?

[Buelligan]

I imagine, given the scenario, that would be very low indeed on ones list of priorities.

[Cuellar]

Hmmm

[idunnosomename]

so do the three leopards passant on the plantagenet royal arms have pokers up their bums

[chveik]

you're a silly goose Paul Calf

[Johnny Yesno]

The second US Civil War is kicking off on my doorstep on Monday, apparently: https://www.thedailybeast.com/charlottesville-banned-these-far-right-activists-but-theyre-bringing-their-guns-to-richmond

Thing is, these idiots actually have weapons - and are stupid enough to probably try something. Despite recent evidence to the contrary, I don't see anyone in the UK (on either side, and en masse) being that insane. Like Buellers says, a General Strike is the way to go. Also, Scotland can deny England 20% of their electricity supply if things get totally bonkers. Or people just moaning in Twitter will increase exponentially, probably.

Good grief. How on earth has that Shoaff guy not got himself classed as a terrorist?

[Kryton]

Let it be known I'd fight you Paul.
I hope this helps.

[Danger Man]

I'm trying to get a flounce going. Talking about mixed-race in the Harry and Meghan thread hasn't worked.

Maybe me and Johnny Yesno can go to war over Contrapoints?

It's time to take sides.

[Urinal Cake]

How many Scots would it take to capture Trident?

[idunnosomename]

How many Scots would it take to capture Trident?

two? maybe three at a push

[Danger Man]

How many Scots would it take to capture Trident?

Two.

One to capture it and the other to say the third goal in 1966 never crossed the line.

[bgmnts]

Absolutely.  As I may have mentioned before, quite interested in WW1 social/military history.  Just crack a bit of that to see what their betters put your ancestors through.  It doesn't even need to be recounted but it was about as existential as shit gets for huge numbers of the British working class and yet they came back, those that came back, to live in poverty and bow and scrape.  Not even a health service then.  Mild as milk.

Things did change a little bit.

Although i'm sure after a long grueling war most of you is just so fucking knackered and the last thing you want to do is tske to the streets.

[Dex Sawash]

I'm trying to get a flounce going. Talking about mixed-race in the Harry and Meghan thread hasn't worked.

Maybe me and Johnny Yesno can go to war over Contrapoints?

It's time to take sides.

Focus on the snow is nice thread

[thenoise]

I hope the scotch still sell us their lovely eggs.

[Kryton]

Focus on the snow is nice thread

Throw a rock into an icy lake. etc.

[Pinball]

Yeah...I genuinely can't think of a potential catalyst which would motivate the bovine British public to take to the streets, let alone kick off on a grand scale.

Unavailability of the next iPhone model? But that would sleeping bags in the street, not fighting.

[tourism]

you've got your finger on the pulse you