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Neomod

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Re: New computer/laptop advice thread
« Reply #180 on: March 17, 2021, 02:32:46 PM »
I reckon so. Not sure how fast the integrated Intel HD 2500 graphics would be for video encoding though. The PC is small form factor so a bit of a squeeze inside, bit like a laptop. Looks like you could add a video card up to half the length of the case at later date. You'll need to find DDR3 memory if you want to upgrade the 8 GB to 16 GB.

Cheers. Apparently it's big enough inside to add a Geforce 1650[1]. Will a graphics card help with displaying video when editing or is it just games? As you can see I am clueless.

The only game I'll be playing on it is Eurotruck as I have an xbox for my gaming.
 1. other graphics cards are available

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Re: New computer/laptop advice thread
« Reply #181 on: March 17, 2021, 03:13:03 PM »
The video encoding part of the graphics card [hardware-accelerated encoding] can be used to write the edited version of a video, if you enable that option ((or it's enabled by default) which might be faster than just using the CPU. Playback (decoding) doesn't matter so much but having said that, I never could play 60fps 4K video smoothly with hardware-accelerated decoding enabled in VLC but I can with my current 1660 Ti. 

Re: New computer/laptop advice thread
« Reply #182 on: March 17, 2021, 03:56:28 PM »
Is this going to be ok for Music, Art and a bit of video editing, maybe upgrading later to play Eurotruck?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01H5N8XRQ/?coliid=I3A16T0SP9S3LL&colid=13YP0J196HSTL&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

I don't know about those things specifically, but that happens to be the exact PC I bought a couple of years back, so if there's anything in particular I can try out easily and for free and let you know how it handles it, give me a shout. I'm happy with it because it was cheaper and a lot faster than my old one, which I'd had for 11 years so not surprising really.

Zetetic

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Re: New computer/laptop advice thread
« Reply #183 on: March 17, 2021, 04:24:02 PM »
I think GPU-accelerated H.264/H.265 decoding is a lot more common and important[1] than encoding to be honest - I thought the latter was only really seriously used in the context of streaming.
 1. Not least for battery life?
« Last Edit: March 17, 2021, 05:07:43 PM by Zetetic »

Sebastian Cobb

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Re: New computer/laptop advice thread
« Reply #184 on: March 17, 2021, 05:04:54 PM »
I think GPU-accelerated H.263/H.264 decoding is a lot more common and important[1] than encoding to be honest - I thought the latter was only really seriously used in the context of streaming.

 1. Not least for battery life?
Certain video tools can take advantage of CUDA as well as standard hardware acceleration to provide extra grunt for some tasks. Although that might be specifically to provide advantage to a the machine learning aspect of an upscaler I was looking at.

I imagine whether encoding comes down to dedicated hardware or a collection of gpus (or even just a cpu) comes down to whether you are doing it offline or on the fly.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2021, 05:25:53 PM by Sebastian Cobb »

Neomod

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Re: New computer/laptop advice thread
« Reply #185 on: March 17, 2021, 05:41:58 PM »
I don't know about those things specifically, but that happens to be the exact PC I bought a couple of years back, so if there's anything in particular I can try out easily and for free and let you know how it handles it, give me a shout. I'm happy with it because it was cheaper and a lot faster than my old one, which I'd had for 11 years so not surprising really.

Oh right. How loud is it and did you upgrade it at all?

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Re: New computer/laptop advice thread
« Reply #186 on: March 17, 2021, 05:43:23 PM »
If I convert a video in HandBrake to H.264 without selecting 'Nvidia NVenc' as the codec, then CPU = 100%. If I do select it then typically CPU = 60%, and under 'GPU Engine' in Task Manager the task is listed as 'Encoding'. Similarly, if I take a clip out of a video with the Windows Photos app, the task is also listed as 'Encoding'.

Zetetic

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Re: New computer/laptop advice thread
« Reply #187 on: March 17, 2021, 06:10:33 PM »
The Windows Photo app thing is interesting.

My general impression that stuff like NVENC wasn't in widespread use[1] because the quality was worse than CPU-only encoders like x264/x265. But I might well be behind the times.

(Noting that some tools can offload some processing of the video stream prior to encoding to the GPU using OpenCL in the way that Cobb hints at.)
 1. outside of streaming, as I say, where latency is more important and reducing CPU usage more important

Re: New computer/laptop advice thread
« Reply #188 on: March 17, 2021, 09:36:13 PM »
Oh right. How loud is it and did you upgrade it at all?

No upgrades (unless you count an external portable HD), although I've been meaning to spend £30-odd on an extra 8GB for it. (It's upgradeable to 32GB, should you need that much, although the RAM will cost you more than the PC...)

As for noise, it depends where you put it - I started with it on my desk, under my monitor, which was loud enough to be annoying. Now I've got it under my desk and I can hear it but I don't tend to notice it when I'm using it. (It's on a carpet, I imagine it'd be louder on a wooden floor.) No noticeable increase in fan noise when the CPU is stressed.

Neomod

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Re: New computer/laptop advice thread
« Reply #189 on: March 17, 2021, 11:04:49 PM »
No upgrades (unless you count an external portable HD), although I've been meaning to spend £30-odd on an extra 8GB for it. (It's upgradeable to 32GB, should you need that much, although the RAM will cost you more than the PC...)

As for noise, it depends where you put it - I started with it on my desk, under my monitor, which was loud enough to be annoying. Now I've got it under my desk and I can hear it but I don't tend to notice it when I'm using it. (It's on a carpet, I imagine it'd be louder on a wooden floor.) No noticeable increase in fan noise when the CPU is stressed.

Thanks...

Oh just one more thing. Is there room enough for a second hard disk?

Re: New computer/laptop advice thread
« Reply #190 on: March 18, 2021, 10:38:46 AM »
Thanks...

Oh just one more thing. Is there room enough for a second hard disk?

The drive bay holds one 3.5" or two 2.5" disks, so there should be room for a second 2.5" disk alongside the included SSD. You'll probably need a Y-splitter for the power cable. I decided to go with an external disk instead, just for convenience.

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Re: New computer/laptop advice thread
« Reply #191 on: March 18, 2021, 11:38:26 AM »
As an aside an acquaintance of mine who is also buying a windows 10 machine wondered if he could still[1] use his hooky software or has windows 10 killed piracy now?
 1. allegedly

Re: New computer/laptop advice thread
« Reply #192 on: March 19, 2021, 05:37:39 AM »
An acquaintance of mine has reported no issue with 'Arthur Daley style' snide goods installed, but this person is is allegedly using a copy of Windows 10 that might not be completely legit

Re: New computer/laptop advice thread
« Reply #193 on: March 19, 2021, 08:33:56 PM »
An acquaintance of mine is using a completely legit copy of Windows 10, and has reported no issues with various pieces of software that they acquired from a mush in Shepherd's Bush.

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