Labour Leadership and Deputy voting intentions

[holyzombiejesus]

Don't know to be honest. Presume that most Labour members would be in a union too so we'd surely know if you were only supposed to use one vote.

[Johnny Yesno]

Don't know to be honest. Presume that most Labour members would be in a union too so we'd surely know if you were only supposed to use one vote.

Sorry, I added a late edit, which says:

Unison sent me an email asking me to register as an affiliated supporter but the small print says 'If you are already a member of the Labour Party or a registered supporter you don't need to take any action.'

I wonder if this is just about registering or if it concerns voting too.

[NoSleep]

It's fine to vote more than once regarding these endorsements; to represent the overall wish of each organisation you are a member of. To be disallowed because you had also voted elsewhere would skew the point of the vote. It isn't the same as voting for your chosen candidate in the final election (where you get to vote as an individual).

[Johnny Yesno]

It's fine to vote more than once regarding these endorsements; to represent the overall wish of each organisation you are a member of. To be disallowed because you had also voted elsewhere would skew the point of the vote. It isn't the same as voting for your chosen candidate in the final election (where you get to vote as an individual).

That makes sense. However, Unison chose Starmer for its members without a vote (Grrr!), so this reminder I've had from them must be about voting for my chosen candidate in the final election, hence the small print.

[jobotic]

I haven't had a reminder. By email?

[NoSleep]

Moderates...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Johnny Yesno]

I haven't had a reminder. By email?

Yes, it's a reminder to register by 03/Feb/2020 with a link. I'd share it but I think it's unique.

[Johnny Yesno]

A colleague tells me he only got a notification by text and the text said to not share the link.

[jobotic]

Yeah fair enough. Just I got emails in the previous leadership elections but haven't had any yet.

[Johnny Yesno]

Yeah fair enough. Just I got emails in the previous leadership elections but haven't had any yet.

Well, it's worth chasing up if you're expecting to be an affiliated supporter due to union membership.

[ZoyzaSorris]

Imagine what a relief it would be if two thirds of all humans died? Really would sort out a few problems. Might affect house prices though.

Edit - don't know how this ended up in this thread but it's still relevant.

[idunnosomename]

wtf i thought id get something in the post. whats going on. i think everything is irredeemable and terrible but i think i want to vote for bong-daily and burgon to trigger the cons

[greencalx]

If I understand correctly, RLB, Nandy and Starmer are IN, and Thornberry looks unlikely to pick up the required CLP nominations. Meanwhile, Rayner and Burgon are IN, with Butler standing a good chance of getting a CLP nomination, and perhaps Murray will also scrape through.

Personally I think Butler deserves to make it onto the ballot, so will use my CLP vote to that end. In principle I could do the same for Thornberry, but haven't made up my mind yet. I suspect my CLP will be dominated by the Starmer-Murray axis, so I'll put the lefties first in an effort to counteract that.

[kittens]

becky bailey/ricky burgers dream ticket. when's the vote

[ZoyzaSorris]

Just voting for RLB for leader. All the others will be a time capsule back to 2010 era or worse. Will go Burgon - Butler - Rayner for deputy. Would prefer as left as poss but wouldn't be horrified with the other two.

[honeychile]

Got my golden ticket to tomorrow's hustings in Bristol. Also off to RLBs local event straight after.

Absolutely pumped. Pumped.

[Blinder Data]

Just noticed that Starmer has a similar voice to Adam Curtis and now I can't get it out of my head

"I was elected to be the next Labour Prime Minister - but that was just an illusion..."

[honeychile]

I attended the Bristol hustings earlier, and straight after went to a separate RLB event.

Don't know how it was perceived by those watching via the stream, but in the room it felt like the leadership hustings didn't tell us a great deal about what marks the candidates apart from a policy perspective (though we know a lot of that already). As many others have observed, the hustings format isn't that conducive to this and something like the LBC debates we had in the 2015 campaign would be more interesting to see the candidates having to be slightly more adversarial and nail themselves down. So what we were mostly left with was presentation, and i have to admit that Nandy really hit it out of the park on this. It's not something i'd have seen coming before this campaign, but she was very confident, authoritative, nimble, interesting and passionate. Thornberry blew hot and cold - at times had real fire and great rhetoric, but at others rambled and lost her way. RLB was solid but by and large not especially rousing. Starmer wasn't really either solid or inspiring, bit of a wet blanket. The biggest obvious dividing line was really along the lines of mandatory reselection - RLB and Thornberry being supportive, Starmer and Nandy not.

The deputy leadership was a different kettle of fish. All of the candidates came across well, all of them distinctive, and even Ian Murray had some good flourishes. Allin-Khan was full of kiddish enthusiasm along with real anger, but hampered by a lack of any real central cohesion linking her points to a wider message. Rayner played to her strengths, echoing some of what Thornberry said in the leaders' hustings - the need to be gobby, to call a racist a racist, to call a cunt a cunt to their face (paraphrasing). But on specifics she was a little vaguer than the other candidates. Burgon has his pitch absolutely nailed down about driving Labour more towards being member-led, and his strongest moment was when asked what they think the role means, he began by saying that to know what the role of deputy is, we need to know what it's not - it's not about briefing against the leader, supporting coups or promoting factionalism. Murray had some good lines and warmed up as the afternoon went on, although like Allin-Khan it was hard to see a cohesive strand running through them. But the afternoon belonged to Butler, who was superb - frequently hilarious, warm, energising, engaging, and full of genuinely interesting ideas. On the way out, pretty much everyone was talking about her.

The separate RLB campaign event was interesting. She spoke for around half an hour and then took four questions. I would say more than half of her total speaking time was devoted to the green new deal. The amount of work and planning that has already gone into this is enormous, talking about how they had planned that government spending was all geared up to be used to begin directing manufacturing and supply chains the day after Labour took office; and even if there was no other reason to support her, her work on this - the biggest issue in ~200,000 years of human history - and her handle on the agenda would be reason enough to support her candidacy. There are of course other reasons. She gave informed and articulate answers to the audience questions, including one on anti-semitism where she sought (not especially successfully) to reassure the audience that despite signing up to the BoD's plan, there would need to be significant clarification of what an "independent" complaints procedure would look like, and that it would cover all complaints and not just anti-semitism. On campaigning she said something very interesting - that we as socialists are, by our nature, geared towards not crowing about our good deeds as individuals and instead doing the right thing because it's the right thing by society. She said we need to change that, however unnatural it seems. When we organise and participate in local events in our community, litter picks, food banks, whatever, we need to bang on about it. Say this is Labour doing this, running this parallel third-sector state, wear it on your sleeves, literally wear it on a high-vis. Let our neighbours and communities see who we are, what we do and what we stand for.

I'm not much closer to deciding on my first preference for deputy - still edging towards Burgon with Butler slightly behind.