Laurence Fox - Another anti-woke grifter [split topic]

[AllisonSays]

I would make the tenuous claim that, in all large metropolitan centres, it would be phenomenally unlikely to be discriminated against for a job on the basis of the colour of your skin. Your mileage will likely deteriorate out in villages/small towns, but I suspect this is the case in most of the urban areas people congregate. I personally know privately-educated CEOs who employ ethnic minorities/Muslims. Even the 'establishment' aren't bothered about skin colour. We can see this even in the Tory party. The argument has been won.

I think where racism does make a difference is in those transitionary places (e.g. name-calling on public transport) which won't make a difference to your life materially, but probably will knock your confidence and make you think twice about the average person on the street. This is obviously abhorrent, but we need to separate this out from the kind of racism that exists in the workplace, which I suspect is negligible.

But I think all of this is to fail to grasp the concept of structural racism, because both of the potential scenarios you're describing (the absence of direct racist discrimination in employment; the possible presence of direct racist discrimination in public spaces) are about active, agentic, direct racism - people 'doing a racism'. A boss does a racism and doesn't hire someone whose grandparents came to Britain from south Asia, or a drunk woman on the nightbus does a racism and calls the same fictional man a racist slur.

I guess I would agree with you that the possibility of active, agentic, direct racism in the workplace is smaller now than it was prior to the Macpherson Report in 1999 and the Commission on the Future of Multi-Ethnic Britain in 2000. Especially in bigger workplaces there's usually some structures in place that mean that this kind of racism has consequences.

Structural racism as I understand it is about the intersection of various structural disadvantages, some of which can have very long histories and some of which can be relatively contemporary, which combine to create worse 'life-chances' for certain groups of people. These can be quite soft and cultural (the absence of representation, for instance) or quite hard and material (living conditions or household income, for instance). It's a way of explaining the complex series of factors that lead to a situation where (for example) fewer than one per cent of university professors are black.

It doesn't require people to be actively racist in order to function, which is where I think the examples you've given there don't quite get to what the concept is trying to describe.

Sorry, that's a long post, I hope it's clear!

[keir]

I see he's challenging Gary Lineker over his support of BLM now, over the UKBLM statement on Israel. Straight out of the Glinner playbook. DO YOU AGREE WITH THIS, @GARYLINEKER?

Has he been having a go at BLM the whole time? I haven't really noticed him for months.

[BlodwynPig]

I see he's challenging Gary Lineker over his support of BLM now, over the UKBLM statement on Israel. Straight out of the Glinner playbook. DO YOU AGREE WITH THIS, @GARYLINEKER?

Has he been having a go at BLM the whole time? I haven't really noticed him for months.

I noticed a lot of sidebar "flufff" pieces about "his struggle/mein kampf", "depression", "loneliness of being the singular voice of reason", "the toll of a jet setting lifestyle", "passion for fast cars". That sort of stuff. Look people, this is what you must aspire to. However, if you want to be like him, you must also support capitalist fascism and denounce all that is good in the world...'kay!?!?

[dissolute ocelot]

The Guardian had a funny interview with Lozza's cousin Freddie Fox who was trying very hard to be diplomatic about his racist relative: "There's a dangerous quality to his acting that I think all actors strive for, and that can inevitably seep into one's off-set life a little bit, too."

Meanwhile Loz has unveiled a Patreon (what, Loz, are you poor now!?) and is being pally with voice of reason Julia Hartley-Brewer. Obviously not getting much TV work: "The @bbc is a corrupt organisation that sows division between friends. If they want to compete for our appreciation, they should do so within the free market."

[Barry Admin]

God, when are they going to stop trying to murder this man's opinion?!

[pancreas]

Not particularly high quality, but then again, he doesn't really deserve any more effort than a shitpost.

[sevendaughters]

I was browsing the magazines somewhere recently and noticed L Fox was being given by-lines to write spurious boomer drivel, the guy failed to troll and is getting the softest landing ever.

[Bently Sheds]

The cunt's whining about "politics spoiling sport" under a photograph of Lewis Hamilton's Black Power salute on the Formula One podium from this weekend.

Fucking tax-dodging liberal elite rich boy Nazi car driving Hamilton dragging politics into sport for the first time ever. How fucking dare he?[nb]Are the views aired by the Foxmeister's followers.[/nb]

[Pink Gregory]

Would love to hear his opinions on Jesse Owens, Muhammad Ali, Tommy Smith etc etc

Actually, no I wouldn't

[Barry Admin]

Yeah, it's funny he's giving off about "cancel culture" so much at the minute, as just the other day I read about the effect that the 1968 Olympics salute had on the career of Pete Norman, who stood in solidarity with Smith and Carlos:

As the American athletes raised their fists, the stadium hushed, then burst into racist sneers and angry insults. Smith and Carlos were rushed from the stadium, suspended by the U.S. team, and kicked out of the Olympic Village for turning their medal ceremony into a political statement. They went home to the United States, only to face serious backlash, including death threats. 

However, Carlos and Smith were both gradually re-accepted into the Olympic fold, and went on to careers in professional football before retiring. Norman, meanwhile, was punished severely by the Australian sports establishment. Though he qualified for the Olympic team over and over again, posting the fastest times by far in Australia, he was snubbed by the team in 1972. Rather than allow Norman to compete, the Australians did not send a sprinter at all

[Sin Agog]

His da seems totally chill, talented (my God, what a filmography), and very much willing to send himself up (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=209&v=6yogqRSWNWQ&feature=emb_title).  How did he raise such an incredibly self-serious son?  Bet he wishes Ayoade was his real bambino.

[Barry Admin]

Staggeringly, 184 people are now paying upto £100 a month to "Lozza's" Patreon account to support his "uncancelling."

In addition to previous tier rewards, get access to a private live stream Q&A, early access to gig tickets and meet me for dinner once a year as well!
Early access to updates, tickets, releases
Behind-the-scenes content as I record my new album
Private Monthly Q&A livestream
Annual Dinner with Laurence
We Run With the Fox Mug

Gig tickets and an album, eh.

[drummersaredeaf]

I'm willing to chip in too if it will stop him putting out music.

[Barry Admin]

I looked at the tiers, and for an extra £15 quid a month - i.e. £20 instead of £5 - you get... A mug. I'm sure theres a joke there, somewhere.

Thank god the public can now directly financially support a man from an extensive showbiz family, who went to Harrow School and works in the media, and has his own record label. Although even there, it seems that people still seek to murder his opinion:

Laurence Fox is signed to Fox Cub Records where he is the Director and sole named officer. Laurence has claimed he was banned from producing a song called "MeToo" by the record label, where he is the director.

[kilgore]

Laurence Fox is signed to Fox Cub Records where he is the Director and sole named officer. Laurence has claimed he was banned from producing a song called "MeToo" by the record label, where he is the director.

That's hilarious. One for the Amusing Wiki Stuff thread I reckon!

[amputeeporn]

We went into the label stuff a long while back - someone found the financial records showing he'd pumped a hundred grand (or something) into it the other year and it was still massively loss-making.

He has 2,731 monthly listeners on spotify, which is appalling considering all the press he gets. Just being on TV alone should give him an easy 10k. Fox has just over double the number that Daniel Day Lewis' vacuous model son has with just his failed single from four years ago. No one is listening to his music, and it must absolutely kill Lozza because he takes himself so seriously.

[Cold Meat Platter]

I looked at the tiers, and for an extra £15 quid a month - i.e. £20 instead of £5 - you get... A mug.

Is that the AIDS tier?

[kilgore]

We went into the label stuff a long while back

I know, that reveal just really tickled me tonight.

He must have seen some other dreg doing a crowd fund and thought he'd have a bit of that too. If so, I wonder who he's wrapped up in.

It's probably the best way to farm an agreeable audience if you've already got a little bit of fame.

Would be funny to send one of us to dinner with him, but paying for it would be an unwashable stain on any reasonable conscience.

[dissolute ocelot]

Everyone's favourite centrist Dr Robert "Rob" Zands is ably trolling The Fox:

My theory is that @LozzaFox is in love with his sister and that is why he is essentially trolling his mixed race brother-in-law.
8:29 AM · Jul 14, 2020

[Puce Moment]

I saw Lolfox spoil a performance of Strangers on a Train in the West End a few years ago. He had a terrible cold and sniffed his way through the performance. There was one bit where you heard it snap up his sinus like a whip, which made some of us chuckle. At the end, he was trying to put out a fire at the front of the stage (it was in the script) and was kneeling down looking at the floor and snot was flooming out of his nose onto the stage and he kept wiping it away with his sleeve even though in a fire you would probably not give a shit, or even utilise to put out the flames.

Otherwise seems like a sound lad who has picked himself up and fought against the odds to become a successful actor. I am the first person in my family to go to University so I really relate to him.

[idunnosomename]

holy moley thats one of the cheekiest, deariest patreons ive ever seen. annual dinner? what the fuck. mental man

[Barry Admin]

You should be automatically excluded form Patreon if you have a Christian name like Laurence or Hunter or Paige.

[idunnosomename]

he is genuinely just begging for you to send him paypal money. to do nothing except own the libs. utterly pathetic

[daf]

annual dinner? what the fuck. mental man

They're the lucky ones - those that can only afford the £5 bottom tier have to meet him for dinner once a week!

[Blumf]

What kind of dinner[nb]Vegetarian option specifically NOT available[/nb], and where?

Anything less than Nandos and he can swivel!

[daf]

I think "swivelling" is extra!

"Oooh . . My peep-hole pringle is modeled on an S.A.S. balaclava!"

[Seedsy]

I'm sure I seen this shit cunt support gaz Coombes at King tuts wah wah hut. He was mind numbingly boring.

[dissolute ocelot]

I'm sure I seen this shit cunt support gaz Coombes at King tuts wah wah hut. He was mind numbingly boring.

Fox seems to have done a few support slots for Coombes around 2015. I wonder if it's just down to both being Oxford people, rather than anything more political (Fox described in announcements as "Lewis star" not "right-wing tosser").

[I.D. Smith]

I'm sure I seen this shit cunt support gaz Coombes at King tuts wah wah hut. He was mind numbingly boring.

"Tweet Our Friends
Speak some shite
We're aaaaaaaaaaaaalt right"

Please note this imaginary cover is Fox singing it. I don't want to insinuate Gaz Coombes is Alt Right

[Armin Meiwes]

Not even sure he'd been radicalised by the far right at that point tbf, think that happened when his wife left him and he needed something to blame for it.