Brian Wilson vs Mike Love - the neverending saga

[Nowhere Man]

So next in the ongoing rivalry of Beach Boys' Brian Wilson and Mike Love..

On Wednesday 5th February, the Beach Boys are headlining at the Safari Club International Convention in Reno, Nevada, at which Donald Trump Jr is the keynote speaker.

Carl and Dennis Wilson have refused to comment, but i'm sure they'd be turning in their waves! (See what I did there?)

Brian Wilson: It has been brought to my attention that on Wednesday February 5, The Beach Boys touring group licensed by Mike Love are headlining at the Safari Club International Convention in Reno, Nevada. This organization supports trophy hunting, which Both Al and I are emphatically opposed to. There's nothing we can do personally to stop the show, so please join us in signing the petition at

https://www.change.org/p/beach-boys-stop-supporting-trophy-hunting?fbclid=IwAR2ggUXSm-NaAy2MMQpuBqh7-YzTzDpvO03dkT4IGjbYMWS5Z6CGXO8_BII&use_react=false

Update: Mike "cunt" Love's response:

"We look forward to a night of great music in Reno and, as always, support freedom of thought and expression as a fundamental tenet of our rights as Americans," Mike Love responded in a statement.

[Ballad of Ballard Berkley]

This Mike Love fella sounds like a real jerk.

[Shaky]

Love is such a fascinating piece of shit. His thin skin, his contradictory beliefs, his obsession with hiding the baldness everyone knows is there, his insistence on keeping the Beach Boys perpetually mired in the past, his piggy dead eyes, that fucking shirt.

[bgmnts]

Imagine being an animal loving Beach Boys fan now? What do you do? Fuck.

[Nowhere Man]

Love is such a fascinating piece of shit. His thin skin, his contradictory beliefs, his obsession with hiding the baldness everyone knows is there, his insistence on keeping the Beach Boys perpetually mired in the past, his piggy dead eyes, that fucking shirt.

Not to mention wearing a hat with his own name on it. Unless his memory is just going.

[Neomod]

If he's playing with them I hope John Cowsill wears his Beach Boys/Black Flag T shirt.

[Nowhere Man]

Mike Love has officially issued a response, as quoted from the updated Pitchfork article:
https://pitchfork.com/news/brian-wilson-opposes-mike-loves-beach-boys-show-at-trophy-hunting-convention/

Mike Love: "We look forward to a night of great music in Reno and, as always, support freedom of thought and expression as a fundamental tenet of our rights as Americans," Mike Love responded in a statement.

CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT

[ajsmith2]

I like Mike (as a Beach Boy, not as a politically or temperamentally aspirational man) and tbh have long found a lot of the vitriol that has come his way from some quarters of Beach Boys fandom completely deranged to the extent that it dwarfs his own flaws, but damn if he doesn't make himself hard to defend with any nuance when he pulls shite like this. Hasn't he always banged the environmental drum in his lyrics, from 'Don't Go Near The Water', to 'Pacific Ocean Blue' on Dennis's solo album to 'Summer In Paradise?' Those principles all thrown away for cash, (perceived) esteem and shitey excuses like 'freedom of thought and expression'. Freedom's just another word for being a heartless cunt more like.

[Replies From View]

Imagine being an animal loving Beach Boys fan now? What do you do? Fuck.

Very like those fans of Gary Glitter who care about children.  It's a Sophie's Choice and no mistake.  :(

[gilbertharding]

If he's playing with them I hope John Cowsill wears his Beach Boys/Black Flag T shirt.

Is it wrong for me to want that t shirt?

[bgmnts]

Is it wrong for me to want that t shirt?

It made from real rhinoceros leather.

[Shaky]

I'd like to think there was a conversation about that T-shirt, with John explaining to Mike who Black Flag where and - possibly - putting some of their music on.

I like to imagine Mike curling up into a ball and screaming for it to stop.

[ajsmith2]

I'd like to think there was a conversation about that T-shirt, with John explaining to Mike who Black Flag where and - possibly - putting some of their music on.

I like to imagine Mike curling up into a ball and screaming for it to stop.

I dunno, maybe Mike would be into it. He's up to speed with The Ramones these days, so it's not too much more of a leap to BF: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1B8Xm3dsv0

[Shaky]

I dunno, maybe Mike would be into it. He's up to speed with The Ramones these days, so it's not too much more of a leap to BF: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1B8Xm3dsv0

Good Christ! To be fair, though, The Ramones had a big 60's influence so there's something familiar for Mike to get his beady little peepers around there.

[Famous Mortimer]

Imagine feuding about a band that's been going for 60 fucking years.

[Shit Good Nose]

Imagine feuding about a band that's been going for 60 fucking years.

There's a very similar long-term feud going on about Wishbone Ash between Martin Turner (who founded the band) and Andy Powell (who kept them going and has been their defacto leader for years).  But in that case only about four people care, and two of those are Turner and Powell.

Pink Floyd as well.  Every time I think that's been sorted, Roger Waters gets in a tizz about something petty and kicks it all off again.

[Goldentony]

mad how Mike can repeatedly outrank 'the one who was mates with Charles Manson and drowned trying to get back his old chest of drawers from a lake years after he'd thrown it in' in worst Beach Boys decisions

[FredNurke]

He tries harder.

The amazing thing is that it's managed to set almost the entire Beach Boys fan community against Love and the touring band. The one or two exceptions are disappearing completely up their own arses trying to defend Love, which is quite funny to watch.

[Goldentony]

How do you defeat a man who's arsed about in a Baywatch costume and released Kokomo and dances like he has? He's like the fucking flying missions in San Andreas made reality

[Neomod]

He tries harder.

The amazing thing is that it's managed to set almost the entire Beach Boys fan community against Love and the touring band.

I'll have nothing bad said about the aforementioned BB drummer John Cowsill who's a sound fella and aged 13 played on this banger on Playboy after dark.

https://youtu.be/MjlML0HvpPU?t=412

Love can go piss up a rope though.

[Brundle-Fly]

I'm afraid I'm with Mike Love on this one. All animals must be either eaten or destroyed. I'm also a big fan of this track off of Friends.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2grITEgWKtw

[Rolf Lundgren]

Still not sure if this is worse than "Summer of Love".

[Ballad of Ballard Berkley]

I like Mike (as a Beach Boy, not as a politically or temperamentally aspirational man) and tbh have long found a lot of the vitriol that has come his way from some quarters of Beach Boys fandom completely deranged to the extent that it dwarfs his own flaws, but damn if he doesn't make himself hard to defend with any nuance when he pulls shite like this. Hasn't he always banged the environmental drum in his lyrics, from 'Don't Go Near The Water', to 'Pacific Ocean Blue' on Dennis's solo album to 'Summer In Paradise?' Those principles all thrown away for cash, (perceived) esteem and shitey excuses like 'freedom of thought and expression'. Freedom's just another word for being a heartless cunt more like.

I like Mike as a Beach Boy too, their classic records wouldn't be the same without him. I don't think he's an evil man. But yeah, it's impossible to defend him against some of the OTT opprobrium he receives whenever he does something like this. And this is a new low.

Mike Love is an oddball prick, an egocentric hypocrite who's spent years pissing on the legacy of a band I don't think he's ever fully understood. He's not a talentless man, he's made significant contributions to some great music, but his lack of self-awareness and limited understanding of what made the Beach Boys so great (clue: it wasn't Mike Love arsing about on stage in a naff shirt and baseball cap) will always ensure that he comes across as a clueless, embarrassing clown.

As you say, Mike Love's 'philosophy' makes no sense. He appears to be genuinely concerned about environmental issues. He's devoted to Transcendental Meditation and, y'know, peace, love and that. But he's also a cynical, money-grabbing, right-wing cunt who doesn't see that there's anything wrong with supporting trophy hunting.

A strange cat, cognitive dissonance incarnate.

[Nowhere Man]

Mike wrote these lyrics once upon a time

We live on the edge of a body of water
Warmed by the blood of the cold hearted
Slaughter of otter
Wonder how she feels mother seal
It's no wonder the Pacific Ocean is blue
The flagship of death is an old whaling trawler
The people are rising over whale killing crawlers
You gotta holler more
Wait a minute can't you see
You gotta let 'em be
Yeah it's no wonder the Pacific Ocean is blue
Yeah yeah yeah yeah
Water yeah water yeah water yeah
We love you Pacific Ocean blue
Yeah we love you Pacific Ocean Blue

He is honestly just such a bizarre man.

[Ballad of Ballard Berkley]

He presumably still believes in those sentiments, and yet... woohoo, let's kill animals for fun!

I hope someone dumps a dead lion on him during this show and his baseball cap falls off and everyone, Trump included, laughs at his bald head.

[Annie Labuntur]

There's a very similar long-term feud going on about Wishbone Ash between Martin Turner (who founded the band) and Andy Powell (who kept them going and has been their defacto leader for years).  But in that case only about four people care, and two of those are Turner and Powell.

Pink Floyd as well.  Every time I think that's been sorted, Roger Waters gets in a tizz about something petty and kicks it all off again.

https://twitter.com/SladeNews/status/1224447495310176259

[Ballad of Ballard Berkley]

Terribly sad, that sort of thing, especially with a band such as lovable, goodtime Slade.

Hill and Powell won't be as rich as the hitmaking songwriters Holder and Lea (presumably millionaires?), but they could surely make a very comfortable living off the back of royalties and playing gigs together? I'd attend a Hill/Powell Slade gig, at least you're getting half of the original line-up. But Dave Hill and a bunch of jobbing musos? No thanks.

The likes of Hill and Love don't really get it, do they?

[Ballad of Ballard Berkley]

Thanks to this thread, this first thing I thought about this morning was Mike Love curling out a really massive shite and, with what can only be described as a tragic sense of pride, calling the rest of the Beach Boys into the bathroom to have a look.

I know Brian Wilson's autobiography was ghostwritten by the truly evil Dr Landy, but that 'anecdote' really does sound like something Brian would've blurted out during whatever passed as research.

[non capisco]

https://twitter.com/SladeNews/status/1224447495310176259

It's David Van Day's Slade you need to worry about.

[non capisco]

Thanks to this thread, this first thing I thought about this morning was Mike Love curling out a really massive shite and, with what can only be described as a tragic sense of pride, calling the rest of the Beach Boys into the bathroom to have a look.

I'm actually slightly warming to him now.