Labour Election Hustings:What Do They Know? Do They Know Things? Let's Find Out!

[Paul Calf]

What frustrates me most about this anti-semitism farrago is, they all know. The leadership contenders all know. Everyone in the Labour party knows. Everyone in the Tories knows. Everyone at the BoD knows. All the media know. They all know the anti-semitism "crisis" narrative is utter bollocks, they're all engaging in this ridiculous performance of faux-concern, wandering further and further down this pointless and endless path despite knowing full well they're blowing miles off course. And the result of that has been to make a lot of people who don't know (jewish and non-jewish alike) genuinely think there's a "crisis". And all of them except Burgon (and Butler to an extent) are going along with it rather than saying "well hang on, the emperor might be wearing a novelty jock-strap but apart from that he's got fuck all on".

I think the longer-term result of this will be that eventually people will genuinely forget that it's all bullshit and start to think that they remember actual incidents of anti-semitism involving senior Labour figures. A lie oft repeated, etc...

Abuse of psychiatry and pschology by the far right goes much further and deeper than just accusing their critics of insanity.

[Kelvin]

Depressing prediction alert, don't read it if you don't like it when I make them:






Still here?
















Thornberrys out, so that's sealed it for Starmer - although I think he's had it in the bag for a while. Time to start praying he was telling the truth about everything, and that the public respect men who look like two bricks fucked and had a baby bank manager.

[machotrouts]

Keir Starmer looks like Frankenstein's monster but if all the body parts were from the same guy

[BlodwynPig]

RLB floundering in the face of Marr's ridiculous Corbyn baiting

[idunnosomename]

Keir Starmer looks like Frankenstein's monster but if all the body parts were from the same guy

it's aliiiive

No really it is. Sort of

[George Oscar Bluth II]

What frustrates me most about this anti-semitism farrago is, they all know. The leadership contenders all know. Everyone in the Labour party knows. Everyone in the Tories knows. Everyone at the BoD knows. All the media know. They all know the anti-semitism "crisis" narrative is utter bollocks, they're all engaging in this ridiculous performance of faux-concern, wandering further and further down this pointless and endless path despite knowing full well they're blowing miles off course. And the result of that has been to make a lot of people who don't know (jewish and non-jewish alike) genuinely think there's a "crisis". And all of them except Burgon (and Butler to an extent) are going along with it rather than saying "well hang on, the emperor might be wearing a novelty jock-strap but apart from that he's got fuck all on".

I'm genuinely interested in what people mean when they say this. Do you mean that there wasn't a problem with anti-semitism? That there was but it was whipped up out of proportion?

[Johnny Yesno]

Having seen Peston bullying RLB into a hard position on antisemitism

RLB floundering in the face of Marr's ridiculous Corbyn baiting

Link, ffs, LINK.

[Johnny Yesno]

I'm genuinely interested in what people mean when they say this. Do you mean that there wasn't a problem with anti-semitism? That there was but it was whipped up out of proportion?

Are you sure you're genuinely interested. We did bang on about it quite a lot over the past four years.

[George Oscar Bluth II]

I'm genuinely interested in the perspective of people who want to vote for Richard Burgon to be deputy leader of the Labour Party yes.

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

I'm genuinely interested in what people mean when they say this. Do you mean that there wasn't a problem with anti-semitism? That there was but it was whipped up out of proportion?

If you can't understand what he's saying from what he's already posted I don't think you deserve a reply.

[NoSleep]

I'm interested to know why GOBII believes the Labour Party is riddled with racism to the point that it needs to be broadcast every day by the media whilst the Tories get a free pass.

Presumably he wants to make sure that the broadcasts continue despite the extremely low incidence of antisemitism (0.06%) in comparison to the UK population (3%).

[NoSleep]

I'm genuinely interested in the perspective of people who want to vote for Richard Burgon to be deputy leader of the Labour Party yes.

Why would the choice of Burgon be of interest particularly?

[George Oscar Bluth II]

Because he's fucking useless? And an idiot? And a hereditary red prince type politician who's only even an MP cos his uncle had a word.

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

So, when you said 'generally interested in the perspective of others', you meant 'in order for me to spout off a firm view I have already made'.

[Thursday]

Like how GOB II thinks the views on anti-semtism need an explanation, (even thought it has been explained) but can't be bothered to give a proper explanation for his view on Burgon when asked.

[George Oscar Bluth II]

Useless idiocy isn't enough of a reason?

Anyway, let's wait for the EHRC report. Then we'll see. I'd genuinely like it a lot if it turns out it was all nonsense whipped up by ideological enemies of the Labour Party because a lot of the claims made make me deeply ashamed to be a party member and voter! Would be nice if it turned out to not be true.

[BlodwynPig]

Useless idiocy isn't enough of a reason?

Anyway, let's wait for the EHRC report. Then we'll see. I'd genuinely like it a lot if it turns out it was all nonsense whipped up by ideological enemies of the Labour Party because a lot of the claims made make me deeply ashamed to be a party member and voter! Would be nice if it turned out to not be true.

How ashamed? Like when you were caught wanking off to dog porn shame or a deeper, more existential shame, such as Jesus suffered when consorting with Mary Magdalene?

[George Oscar Bluth II]

The kind of shame one would feel if you were part of a political movement that excused antisemitism. That kind of shame.

[Paul Calf]

Keir Starmer looks like Frankenstein's monster but if all the body parts were from the same guy

Underrated post. Karma ++++++

The kind of shame one would feel if you were part of a political movement that excused antisemitism. That kind of shame.

Stroll on.

[BlodwynPig]

The kind of shame one would feel if you were part of a political movement that excused antisemitism. That kind of shame.

Glad im not

[Paul Calf]

Does anyone seriously think that whatever the EHRC report says is going to make the tiniest bit of difference? Whatever it concludes, it's going to be loudly denounced as biased and political. Only the gullible tosspots breathlessly waiting to lap up the EHRC's damp jizzings are going to actually care what it says.

[TheBrownBottle]

It's surely possible to believe that both the right wing media & the Tories have painted an unrealistic picture of the extent of antisemitism in the Labour Party, and that there are a tiny (but very active online) minority of antisemitic twats in the party who hide behind Israel/Palestine to push their bullshit conspiracy theory guff?  That it's possible to believe that Margaret Hodge is full of shite, but believe that the treatment of Luciana Berger was shocking.   I doubt very much that had Ken Livingstone or Chris Williamson said similar shite about any other community their arses wouldn't have touched the ground.

If Jewish members of both the party and the general public are worried about antisemitism in the party, then it's not unreasonable for the party to investigate & address their concerns.  I'd hope if any minority had those concerns, their views wouldn't be brushed aside.  I doubt very much if members of the BAME community had similar worries, they'd be dismissed so easily.

I didn't like some of the crap I've seen over the past few years, and I've booted a couple of fellow party members off my social media for spouting absolute shite about the above.  It's embarrassing, and I'm glad RLB is handling this as well as could be expected (and a damn sight better than Corbyn did).  She needs to nip it in the bud if she wins, and she's going the right away about doing that I reckon.

[honeychile]

I'm genuinely interested in what people mean when they say this. Do you mean that there wasn't a problem with anti-semitism? That there was but it was whipped up out of proportion?

Of course there was and is a problem. Anti-semitism exists in the Labour party, and anywhere it exists it is by default a problem. It was and is a relatively small-scale problem compared to the same issues in other sections of society and other political parties, which is not a reason not to take serious and coherent steps not to tackle it. By the standards of this board i'm probably a zionist hawk; in previous posts i've written tedious megillot about the use of the words (anti-)zionist/zionism, about a casual blindness to conflation of Israel with jews, about the degree of attention given to Israel over other ethno-colonial regimes, and about the circumstances of left politics which have allowed these things to slip under the radar and become more prominent.

What we have had in response to this serious issue has been a four-year long anti-semitism-themed DDoS designed not only to monopolise the party's attention now that it poses a genuine threat to the status quo at home and a genuinely critical eye towards Israel, but also to hobble its ability to respond. The party, including the leadership, hasn't always helped itself in this, although i'd imagine being under a permanent siege where half the people shooting at you are in your own fucking tank can't help.

That brings us to the current situation where candidates are signing up to a bunch of pledges to tackle anti-semitism, one of those pledges i regard itself as anti-semitic. This has long since stopped being about genuinely tackling anti-semitism, something which should have been fairly clear when Corbyn was being called an anti-semite for how he pronounces "Epstein" and recommending A Christmas carol. Rescuing a sincere and coherent strategy for tackling anti-semitism is imperative for the left, not only for the sake of the issue and the process itself but because as i have said in previous posts, i fear that if the current trajectory continues, members of the public may start asking what is so special about us jews that we get so much attention devoted to such a disproportionate issue, and that maybe all those people banging on about jews and the media and Israel and the banks have a point, and Stephen Yaxley-Lennon stops pretending to be our mate? And then we really will need to get our shit together.

And it seems like Richard Burgon is the only person in this debate who is actually standing up for a process (both intellectual and tangible) which will protect actual real living jews made of flesh and blood, not the imagined delicate little petal who can't critically read the IHRA definition, or understand the multiplicity of Britain's jewish communities.

[Johnny Yesno]

Of course there was and is a problem. Anti-semitism exists in the Labour party, and anywhere it exists it is by default a problem. It was and is a relatively small-scale problem compared to the same issues in other sections of society and other political parties, which is not a reason not to take serious and coherent steps not to tackle it. By the standards of this board i'm probably a zionist hawk; in previous posts i've written tedious megillot about the use of the words (anti-)zionist/zionism, about a casual blindness to conflation of Israel with jews, about the degree of attention given to Israel over other ethno-colonial regimes, and about the circumstances of left politics which have allowed these things to slip under the radar and become more prominent.

What we have had in response to this serious issue has been a four-year long anti-semitism-themed DDoS designed not only to monopolise the party's attention now that it poses a genuine threat to the status quo at home and a genuinely critical eye towards Israel, but also to hobble its ability to respond. The party, including the leadership, hasn't always helped itself in this, although i'd imagine being under a permanent siege where half the people shooting at you are in your own fucking tank can't help.

That brings us to the current situation where candidates are signing up to a bunch of pledges to tackle anti-semitism, one of those pledges i regard itself as anti-semitic. This has long since stopped being about genuinely tackling anti-semitism, something which should have been fairly clear when Corbyn was being called an anti-semite for how he pronounces "Epstein" and recommending A Christmas carol. Rescuing a sincere and coherent strategy for tackling anti-semitism is imperative for the left, not only for the sake of the issue and the process itself but because as i have said in previous posts, i fear that if the current trajectory continues, members of the public may start asking what is so special about us jews that we get so much attention devoted to such a disproportionate issue, and that maybe all those people banging on about jews and the media and Israel and the banks have a point, and Stephen Yaxley-Lennon stops pretending to be our mate? And then we really will need to get our shit together.

And it seems like Richard Burgon is the only person in this debate who is actually standing up for a process (both intellectual and tangible) which will protect actual real living jews made of flesh and blood, not the imagined delicate little petal who can't critically read the IHRA definition, or understand the multiplicity of Britain's jewish communities.

Thanks for being arsed to post this, honeychile, even though we know Gobby isn't really interested. If he was, he would already know all this due to all the previous times you and other level-headed people have said similar things.

[Johnny Yesno]

It's surely possible to believe that both the right wing media & the Tories have painted an unrealistic picture of the extent of antisemitism in the Labour Party, and that there are a tiny (but very active online) minority of antisemitic twats in the party who hide behind Israel/Palestine to push their bullshit conspiracy theory guff?  That it's possible to believe that Margaret Hodge is full of shite, but believe that the treatment of Luciana Berger was shocking.   I doubt very much that had Ken Livingstone or Chris Williamson said similar shite about any other community their arses wouldn't have touched the ground.

Still waiting for the evidence that Berger was bullied by Labour members and that Williamson said anything antisemitic.

I doubt very much if members of the BAME community had similar worries, they'd be dismissed so easily.

lol. The irony is, BAME members do have similar worries but none of the groups mentioned upthread gives a flying fuck because, as far as anyone can gather without proper demographic data collection, they gravitate towards the left of the party.

[Neville Chamberlain]

Of course there was and is a problem. Anti-semitism exists in the Labour party, and anywhere it exists it is by default a problem. It was and is a relatively small-scale problem compared to the same issues in other sections of society and other political parties, which is not a reason not to take serious and coherent steps not to tackle it. By the standards of this board i'm probably a zionist hawk; in previous posts i've written tedious megillot about the use of the words (anti-)zionist/zionism, about a casual blindness to conflation of Israel with jews, about the degree of attention given to Israel over other ethno-colonial regimes, and about the circumstances of left politics which have allowed these things to slip under the radar and become more prominent.

What we have had in response to this serious issue has been a four-year long anti-semitism-themed DDoS designed not only to monopolise the party's attention now that it poses a genuine threat to the status quo at home and a genuinely critical eye towards Israel, but also to hobble its ability to respond. The party, including the leadership, hasn't always helped itself in this, although i'd imagine being under a permanent siege where half the people shooting at you are in your own fucking tank can't help.

That brings us to the current situation where candidates are signing up to a bunch of pledges to tackle anti-semitism, one of those pledges i regard itself as anti-semitic. This has long since stopped being about genuinely tackling anti-semitism, something which should have been fairly clear when Corbyn was being called an anti-semite for how he pronounces "Epstein" and recommending A Christmas carol. Rescuing a sincere and coherent strategy for tackling anti-semitism is imperative for the left, not only for the sake of the issue and the process itself but because as i have said in previous posts, i fear that if the current trajectory continues, members of the public may start asking what is so special about us jews that we get so much attention devoted to such a disproportionate issue, and that maybe all those people banging on about jews and the media and Israel and the banks have a point, and Stephen Yaxley-Lennon stops pretending to be our mate? And then we really will need to get our shit together.

And it seems like Richard Burgon is the only person in this debate who is actually standing up for a process (both intellectual and tangible) which will protect actual real living jews made of flesh and blood, not the imagined delicate little petal who can't critically read the IHRA definition, or understand the multiplicity of Britain's jewish communities.

What a bloody good post. Thanks for that.

[idunnosomename]

The kind of shame one would feel if you were part of a political movement that excused antisemitism. That kind of shame.

What

[NoSleep]

GOBII will be harping on about the rampant antisemitism in the Labour Party in 20 years time no doubt.

[BlodwynPig]

GOBII will be harping on about the rampant antisemitism in the Labour Party in 20 years time no doubt.

GOB II was the waiter at the last supper whispering in Judas' ear "that Jesus fella is a fucking red prince, stay well clear mate"

[Danger Man]

GOBII will be harping on about the rampant antisemitism in the Labour Party in 20 years time no doubt.

honeychile will be making applauded posts on here for the next 20 years of Tory government.