US Elections 2020 II - Bernie Topwin: "We'll see this trashcan dream come true"

[Pearly-Dewdrops Drops]

That's what the Democrats do, with better PR and no meaningful opposition to the left of them. It's politer but more effective.

Biden has seen what Trump is doing right now and saying "I wouldn't want to politicize this".

What are you talking about? The Republican response to the current global crisis is objectively worse than the Democrats. That's not an endorsement of the Democrats, but Trump and company are truly deranged and even some doofus like Andrew Cuomo would be dramatically preferable.

[Dewt]

Ugh, there we go again with "even this shit candidate would be slightly better", completely missing the point that this is a good cop bad cop thing where both parties have the same goal. The current Democrats are actively blocking progress. The only way anything positive gets done is by them having to begrudgingly pay lip service to progressive ideals to maintain the narrative of the big fucking play they're involved in. You want to unblock a toilet by buying a lifetime subscription to a slightly less stinky brand of unflushable shit, instead of getting the fucking plunger in there.

This needs to be fixed by thinking beyond the next four years. Your mindset will have us in the same situation in 2050.

[Urinal Cake]

I listened to Katie Halper's interview with Biden's alleged accuser Tara Reade. There seems no reason to doubt her. Biden and his people really are just careerist cunts. Interestingly Reade said she alluded to her assault in letters to Warren, Harris, AOC, Ronan Farrow and others. Warren's was the only one who replied with a form letter.

[kngen]

What are you talking about? The Republican response to the current global crisis is objectively worse than the Democrats. That's not an endorsement of the Democrats, but Trump and company are truly deranged and even some doofus like Andrew Cuomo would be dramatically preferable.

Trump has yet to send old folk out to vote in direct contradiction to recommendations from the CDC, though. I fear this will be lost as the situation gets worse, but Perez et al should fucking hang for that.

[Pearly-Dewdrops Drops]

Ugh, there we go again with "even this shit candidate would be slightly better", completely missing the point that this is a good cop bad cop thing where both parties have the same goal. The current Democrats are actively blocking progress. The only way anything positive gets done is by them having to begrudgingly pay lip service to progressive ideals to maintain the narrative of the big fucking play they're involved in. You want to unblock a toilet by buying a lifetime subscription to a slightly less stinky brand of unflushable shit, instead of getting the fucking plunger in there.

This needs to be fixed by thinking beyond the next four years. Your mindset will have us in the same situation in 2050.

So you are an accelerationist and would prefer for millions of people to die gruesome deaths in the hope that it will spur social revolution. Fair enough, I just think that's naive. Four more years of Trump is not going to magically change the Democratic establishment or weaken their hold in any way.

[Dewt]

Explain what mechanism through which millions more people are going to die with Trump as president than Biden

Explain how signing in the end of any chance of actual healthcare happening saves lives

"Revolution". All that's being asked for is the actual moderate candidate that everybody under 50 wants.

[Pearly-Dewdrops Drops]

Explain what mechanism through which millions more people are going to die with Trump as president than Biden

Explain how signing in the end of any chance of actual healthcare happening saves lives

Ongoing genocide against the population of Iran? Catastrophically irresponsible decision to halt Covid-19 prevention measures because he doesn't believe in science? Declaring the sovereign leader of Venezuela a wanted terrorist and ramping up toward armed intervention?

Those are a few good ones that even Joe Biden would not be doing if he was in office.

Healthcare reform is going to have to be pushed through by grassroots organizing and pressure on Congress. If Congress is eventually forced to pass Medicare For All legislation, I'm not sure if you think Donald J. Trump is more likely to sign it into law??

[Pearly-Dewdrops Drops]

For the record, this is why Democratic primaries are so critical in this country and why everyone should continue pushing for Sanders to make a comeback. I'm just not optimistic he can given that all life whatsoever has been sucked out of this primary due to the ongoing global crisis.

[Dewt]

It's nice that you've highlighted bad decisions by the current government, but you have failed to show how the Democrats given the mandate of a warhawk loon are going to be any better than this, or any better than they have been in the past. Look at what Obama, the hope and change guy did. Biden proudly voted for the Iraq war.

Candidates like Biden are pushed through specifically to represent industries like the US healthcare giants and stop reform, what the fuck are you talking about?

[C_Larence]

Not to mention that if Biden wins, the Republican who inevitably wins after him is probably going to be far more competent and therefore dangerous than Trump

[Pearly-Dewdrops Drops]

It's nice that you've highlighted bad decisions by the current government, but you have failed to show how the Democrats given the mandate of a warhawk loon are going to be any better than this, or any better than they have been in the past. Look at what Obama, the hope and change guy did. Biden proudly voted for the Iraq war.

Candidates like Biden are pushed through specifically to represent industries like the US healthcare giants and stop reform, what the fuck are you talking about?

Just because the entire system is fucked doesn't meant we need to be divorced from reality. I just cannot conceive how someone can exist in this world, regardless of their entirely justified hatred of the Democrats and people like Joe Biden, and not see that the Republicans are even worse.

You seem to be clinging to the conservative notion that electoral politics is the way toward change. It is not, it is never going to be in this country. Progress will have to come through other means. But in the meantime the fact remains that either a Democrat or a Republican is going to be voted into office.

[Dewt]

I do see that the Republicans are worse. What you don't see is that settling for slightly better installs permanent badness.

Electoral politics isn't working currently because democracy is a sham. That doesn't matter - one way or another established top-level politics has to be overhauled. Local politics is all well and good, but it may as well be an entirely different system. It doesn't matter what happens there when at such a supreme level there are people selling us all directly out to corporations, enacting murderous foreign policy and caging children.

The way to do that is to furiously push anybody like Bernie who puts the absolute living fear of god into these shitheads because it shuts down their gig.

[Pearly-Dewdrops Drops]

I do see that the Republicans are worse. What you don't see is that settling for slightly better installs permanent badness.

Electoral politics isn't working currently because democracy is a sham. That doesn't matter - one way or another established top-level politics has to be overhauled. Local politics is all well and good, but it may as well be an entirely different system. It doesn't matter what happens there when at such a supreme level there are people selling us all directly out to corporations, enacting murderous foreign policy and caging children.

The way to do that is to furiously push anybody like Bernie who puts the absolute living fear of god into these shitheads because it shuts down their gig.

No disagreement on any of that.

[Dewt]

Warren's rebranding initiative has launched

https://medium.com/@teamwarren/how-were-keeping-up-the-fight-729d923e59b1

[Monsieur Verdoux]

'Warren Democrats' lmao pure narcissism fuck off

[Sin Agog]

Warren Democrats...libs who cluster together in a dank underground hole, which they hurriedly retreat into the moment a twig starts looking at them funny.

[Dewt]

'Warren Democrats' lmao pure narcissism fuck off

Yeah. They've really not understood that a <x> Democrat is something that's supposed to emerge naturally, not something you create as a monument to your own excellence.

[peanutbutter]

How long until "Warren Democrats" just becomes a TERF faction on Twitter? Her Is it already just that?


There was a Warren wing of the party circa 2015, wasn't there? I do wonder how much of her being so shit the past few years is due to a huge chip on her shoulder over opting to not run in 2016. She'd've never won I don't think but she must know it was the right move for her and she fucked up hugely by refusing to.

[Satchmo Distel]

[Urinal Cake]

Warren has no power because relatively Sanders has little power now. She almost had a stop-gap or parasitic relationship to him. Further the squad when they stop being part of the Sanders wing will soon eclipse her individually. But I think a few of her teal followers are cynical and political enough to do something 'interesting' in the future.

[Mobius]

She came third in her own state! She's utter shit

Can't wait to hear her thoughts on rapey Biden considering how hard she went at Bloomberg for some sexist jokes!

[pcsjwgm]

Howard Dean appeals to liberal Russophobia in an attempt to protect Joe Biden from allegations of sexual assault:
https://twitter.com/kthalps/status/1243549715356102656

[pcsjwgm]

Although written by a conservative, this is pretty much the reason for centrists' calls for Bernie to drop out, even if they won't admit it:

I like seeing socialists defeated, and I prefer seeing socialists defeated sooner rather than later. I largely concur with Ramesh's assessment that, even if Sanders would have lost the general election, if he had won his party's nomination, it would have strengthened the cause of socialism and made it a more mainstream idea in the Democratic Party — it would have moved the Overton Window to the left considerably, if you prefer that metaphor. And I didn't think Trump was a shoo-in for reelection before the coronavirus.

As a presidential candidate, Sanders has some unique strengths and weaknesses. The cause of socialism could well return on the national scene with a primary advocate who is younger, slicker, from a more populous state, and who doesn't remind people of Larry David shouting about a botched order of soup. (Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez will be old enough to run for president in 2028.) A sweeping defeat of socialism now in a Democratic primary — against a rival as flawed as Biden — makes it less likely it will return with a vengeance in future cycles.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/bernie-sanders-should-not-press-on-with-his-presidential-campaign/

[Urinal Cake]

I think the reason is that they're scared of Biden combusting in a way they can't hide before he reaches 1991 delegates and the convention. They haven't been able to choose a VP because there's a lot of squabbling since Biden owes a lot of favours and people are already thinking one step ahead when Biden leaves. They could probably get away with nominating someone at the convention but by then Sanders and even Warren, Bloomberg etc would have a seat at the negotiating table. 

[Dewt]

Biden: "Luhan virus".

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1243687563191336966

[machotrouts]

Biden: "Luhan virus".

For god's sake, how hard can it be to remember the name of Milhouse's mom on the Simpsons

[Funcrusher]

After extensive content on Bernie Bros, how Bernie has a problem with women and being all over #metoo, the only article to be seen on Biden at The Guardian is a total hagiography piece on him campaigning while working from home:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/28/joe-biden-campaign-coronavirus

The sheer hypocrisy of centrists is just sickening.

[EOLAN]

Doesn't seem to be much mention about Bloomberg. Having guaranteed newly recruited staffers employment up until November; even if when he would no longer be campaigning. With health coverage included. To work on helping the Democrats defeat Trump.

Instead; he has just fired them all and will use his altruism to give a big wad of cash to the noble DNC instead.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/09/bloomberg-aides-fired-year-124741

[Ferris]

Doesn't seem to be much mention about Bloomberg. Having guaranteed newly recruited staffers employment up until November; even if when he would no longer be campaigning. With health coverage included. To work on helping the Democrats defeat Trump.

Instead; he has just fired them all and will use his altruism to give a big wad of cash to the noble DNC instead.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/09/bloomberg-aides-fired-year-124741

He has literal billions, why does he want to avoid paying staffers? That's like a normal person giving away a dollar that you already promised to give away, but with the bonus that it provides healthcare for people.

What manner of prick would balk at that? Imagine voting for the guy. The mind boggles.

[C_Larence]

Today's fun twitter activity is searching "Kavanaugh" in the feeds of people who are dismissing Tara Reade as an opposition plant and putin lover.