Points-based immigration system [Split topic]

[Blumf]

Heh, that crazy guy and his eugenics ideas!

Meanwhile...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51550421

Low-skilled workers would not get visas under post-Brexit immigration plans unveiled by the government.
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In total, immigrants would have to reach 70 points to be able to work in the UK, with points also being awarded for qualifications, the salary on offer and working in a sector with shortages.
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Proposed points system

Mandatory requirements	Points
Job offer from approved sponsor	20
Job at appropriate skill level	20
English at required level	10
Points for salary	Points
£20,480 – £23,039	0
£23,040 – £25,599	10
£25,600 or above	20
Additional points	Points
Job in a shortage occupation	20
PhD in subject relevant to the job	10
PhD in relevant STEM subject	20

[Mr_Simnock]

You, and Paul Calf and others are doing the same thing with your doom and gloom, predicting an eternity of Tory rule. How is that any different? How does your nihilism help anyone?

May I remind you that the thread title is "will the Tory party do well?" to which I'm giving an answer, that being a "preddo" as the answer hasn't fucking happened yet.

"Wiser than thou." It's an honest opinion and a reason to stay optimistic.

Was this aimed at me too? I don't think five years of Tory rule is going to be alright obviously. We're talking about beyond that. Why even be part of a political party if you think there's no point?

They just enjoy being miserable little cucks and like to pile onto anyone who disagrees, it's all getting a bit poisonous to be honest.

[Danger Man]

In an hour i will be with the minister for business innovation and skills, Chris Skidmore, what shall i do with him?

Suck his cock?

It seems the most likely event despite all your posturing on here.

[TheBrownBottle]

Heh, that crazy guy and his eugenics ideas!

Meanwhile...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51550421

As someone who has actually been through the much-vaunted Australian points system that they claim to be mirroring, there definitely wasn't anything re income in there for all but a handful of jobs.  Age was a bigger factor; clearly what Australia wants is people who'll actually settle and add to the country.  The Tory rules appear to be geared towards income and age is disregarded.  Under the proposed system, a 70-year-old on a £30k income will have a chance of getting in, whilst a 22-year-old on £19k will be turned away; I know which one I'd see as a long-term burden & which one I'd see as beneficial to the economy in the long run.

Australia also gives visas to those who might be considered 'low skilled'; it's about need not pieces of paper.

I don't doubt the Tories will make a right fucking mess of it. 

[Blumf]

Presumably this is just to let you in, not naturalise, so a 70 year old will only be allowed for as long as they hold the job.

[Mr_Simnock]

I don't doubt the Tories will make a right fucking mess of it.

the amount of shite the tories say they will do then never do it is considerable, I doubt it will even happen, just some shite to tell the electorate last December to get them to vote for em.

[TheBrownBottle]

Possibly, though the Australian points system is used for permanent residency rather than temporary work visas

Again, I think you're most likely correct - it's just when they've spent three years (UKIP even longer) constantly banging on about Australia's PS then it's what the public might have reasonably expected it to look like.  This is nothing like it.

[Danger Man]

You, and Paul Calf and others are doing the same thing with your doom and gloom, predicting an eternity of Tory rule. How is that any different? How does your nihilism help anyone?

Blodwynpig is part of a pair of lunatics that are in the top ten posters on here. Maybe they are sleeper cells.

BlodwynPig only makes sense if you think he actually works for the KGB. He hates the BBC, that's a given, but everything else is just drivel. Nothing makes sense apart from 'give me tenure in a country I pretend to hate'. Fucking hell, he makes Pancreas look good. His posts are purely designed to chip away at the UK for no obvious reason. He's clearly taking orders from Putin.

His partner Buelligan is just as insane but a lot simpler. She lives a Libertarian lifestyle in France but wants socialism in the UK. Probably to get back at her father.

God knows how they have gotten away with it for so long.

[chveik]

aren't spies supposed to pretend to like the country they infiltrate?

[BlodwynPig]

Blodwynpig is part of a pair of lunatics that are in the top ten posters on here. Maybe they are sleeper cells.

BlodwynPig only makes sense if you think he actually works for the KGB. He hates the BBC, that's a given, but everything else is just drivel. Nothing makes sense apart from 'give me tenure in a country I pretend to hate'. Fucking hell, he makes Pancreas look good. His posts are purely designed to chip away at the UK for no obvious reason. He's clearly taking orders from Putin.

His partner Buelligan is just as insane but a lot simpler. She lives a Libertarian lifestyle in France but wants socialism in the UK. Probably to get back at her father.

God knows how they have gotten away with it for so long.

Let's hold hands and run FREE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhr7trKll3o

[Zetetic]

Immigration policy announcement - in particular the Daily Mail frontpage - successfully provoking a bunch of fuckwits to bemoan the £25k cutoff as too high for nurses.

Easily rebutted by govt - there's a lower limit for shortage occupations - and distracts from any consideration of the fundamental principles.

[Sebastian Cobb]

FUCK ORACLES

Yep Ellison is a cunt.

[TheBrownBottle]

Priti Patel reckons that the new immigration rules are about ' the brightest and the best' to the UK.  Anyone want to remind her that her parents emigrated to the UK as shopkeepers from Uganda?  I wonder if a shopkeeper from Uganda would make the cut?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-51550421

[Danger Man]

Sajid Javid's parents were farmers and wouldn't have been able to come to the UK.

[Pingers]

Priti Patel has just essentially said there are 8 million unemployed people in the UK. Full employment or 8 million unemployed - it's easy to get the two confused.

[Big Mclargehuge]

Priti Patel has just essentially said there are 8 million unemployed people in the UK. Full employment or 8 million unemployed - it's easy to get the two confused.

that's 16% of the total population! I'd love to know exactly how much higher that would be if you removed kids from the equation (The best data I can find is that last year there were 64 million people living in the UK...it doesn't remove kids or people with disabilities...it's a scandle really...)

[Pingers]

She is talking about "economically inactive" people, by which of course she means people who are unemployed but they kept out of the figures. It will include those who care full time for relatives and those who are too unwell to work. Priti Patel once contributed to a paper that described British workers as "among the worst idlers"

[Danger Man]

Time to get those working prisons like they have in America.

[TheBrownBottle]

She is talking about "economically inactive" people, by which of course she means people who are unemployed but they kept out of the figures. It will include those who care full time for relatives and those who are too unwell to work. Priti Patel once contributed to a paper that described British workers as "among the worst idlers"

It's all part of the contradictory and hypocritical nature of being a Tory.  Wave union flags but hate everything about the country - especially the vast majority of the population.  Claim to be about self-improvement but worship the class system.  Super patriotic yet in love with lassez faire international capitalism.  It's how the fuckers keep winning - they somehow can give out both libertarian & authoritarian messaging on any single issue and appeal to both sides. 

[Pranet]

Yeah, I'm thinking that if the economy crashes post Brexit the newly unemployed could find themselves fruit picking for their £73 a week.

[monkfromhavana]

Yeah, I'm thinking that if the economy crashes post Brexit the newly unemployed could find themselves fruit picking for their £73 a week.

Maybe elderly gammon, unable to settle in Spain due to not getting any points for speaking Spanish will be pressed back into work toiling in the fields.

I'm sad to say, if I find out that they voted for Brexit, schadenfreude might make my head explode.

[holyzombiejesus]

I now what you mean but when the people who sold them the lie and propagated the nastiness are sat up in their mansions laughing their bollocks off on a huge pile of money, I'd hope people would be too busy rioting to laugh at the suckers who were taken in by it all.

[monkfromhavana]

I now what you mean but when the people who sold them the lie and propagated the nastiness are sat up in their mansions laughing their bollocks off on a huge pile of money, I'd hope people would be too busy rioting to laugh at the suckers who were taken in by it all.

If they're marching on the mansions, I'll join in. I suspect they'll probably be targeting some other dreamt up bullshit or a war of some kind.

[TrenterPercenter]

It's all part of the contradictory and hypocritical nature of being a Tory.  Wave union flags but hate everything about the country - especially the vast majority of the population.  Claim to be about self-improvement but worship the class system.  Super patriotic yet in love with lassez faire international capitalism.  It's how the fuckers keep winning - they somehow can give out both libertarian & authoritarian messaging on any single issue and appeal to both sides.

Hi me again.

You've hit the nail on the head here and HOW they keep doing it is directly related to what was attempted to be discussed in the Caroline Flack thread.  They do it all by creating a emotionally reactive, politically illiterate and angry electorate that is too busy dealing with a feeling of inadequacy, fear at being the one targeted and gasping for self worth and identity to realise they are continuing to perpetuate their own and others misery.  It was worked out a longtime now that politics and it's machinery are always vulnerable to culture, so of course, it was occupied, and like a moat around a castle it sits, constantly topped up by people defending it.  It's so deep now you can scarcely tell what who built the original foundations and who are those just unconsciously making their profits by selling vials of the stuff.

[gib]

It's all part of the contradictory and hypocritical nature of being a Tory.  Wave union flags but hate everything about the country - especially the vast majority of the population.  Claim to be about self-improvement but worship the class system.  Super patriotic yet in love with lassez faire international capitalism.  It's how the fuckers keep winning - they somehow can give out both libertarian & authoritarian messaging on any single issue and appeal to both sides.

doublethink

[Sebastian Cobb]

This'll be shit I reckon.

[imitationleather]

What is points?

[Mister Six]

Anyone know how this will affect Mrs Six's chances of getting in? She's a non-European within a skilled industry's but we're married and she's not working at the mo...

[Mr_Simnock]

that's 16% of the total population! I'd love to know exactly how much higher that would be if you removed kids from the equation (The best data I can find is that last year there were 64 million people living in the UK...it doesn't remove kids or people with disabilities...it's a scandle really...)

I don't think there has ever been a time when any Uk gov has accurately calculated unemplyment statistics, it's always been very selective of who to include.

[Sebastian Cobb]

Goodharts law innit.