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Wow, Those Fucking Drums!

Started by Satchmo Distel, February 25, 2020, 02:11:45 PM

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All My Love - Led Zeppelin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAzXJDHWXT8

Has there ever been a better drum sound on record than Bonham's?

Shit Good Nose

It still bewilders me that Eric Clapton thinks Ginger Baker was a better drummer than Bonzo.

I know that ONLY EC and Ginger Baker thought that Ginger Baker was a better drummer than Bonzo, but still...

Dr Syntax Head

https://youtu.be/6eabVy_VgDI

I adore the drums on this. Primal. Jack White is one talented motherfucker


Sebastian Cobb

I think I'd have to say, Funky Drummer.

Shaky

Quote from: bgmnts on February 25, 2020, 02:30:55 PM
Neil Peart cheers bye.

This. Man was fucking insane, and not just into the, "Oooh, look what I can do!" shit. Wanted to stretch himself as a musician but not afraid just to play a regular beat if needed.

Rush were great.

On the extreme end, I'll nominate Dave Lombardo and Ken Owen.

chveik


badaids

I'm not sure if this bloke is really good or not, I think he is, perhaps I am very easy to impress.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DhCitL4-V4

And then there's this, probably my favorite bit of drumming ever, solo starts at around 1m25s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGTkSWbGyBQ

Shit Good Nose

Quote from: badaids on February 25, 2020, 03:03:19 PM
I'm not sure if this bloke is really good or not, I think he is, perhaps I am very easy to impress.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DhCitL4-V4

Yeah, he is - very clean and very disciplined, and he does a LOT with quite a small kit (which, it also should be mentioned, has been frankensteined from decent equipment). 

He's mastered speedy single handed rolls without them fucking up the tempo of his playing, which is something that some seasoned pros struggle to do.


Quote from: badaids on February 25, 2020, 03:03:19 PM
And then there's this, probably my favorite bit of drumming ever, solo starts at around 1m25s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGTkSWbGyBQ

Speaking of single handed roll mastery - Clive was (presumably still is) king at the time.  He was Bonzo's favourite contemporary drummer.  The Dharma solo at Isle of Wight is mesmerising - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNIyEbeJzQA


alan nagsworth

Quote from: Shaky on February 25, 2020, 02:52:32 PM
On the extreme end, I'll nominate Dave Lombardo and Ken Owen.

I think Mastodon's Brann Dailor deserves a shout as one of the best metal drummers of the last ... fucking hell, "Remission" was 18 years ago ... 20 years? His work on that first album of theirs is remarkable, and he's also superb on Today is the Day's "In the Eyes of God".

It's widely known on here that I don't rate Mastodon at all after "Leviathan" but here's a live video of "Blood and Thunder" with isolated audio on the drums, Dailor barely breaking a sweat and looking completely chill as he drills out hyper-speed fills with lightning precision.

purlieu

For a very long time, drums were, for me, largely functional, simply there to give the music a beat and a pulse around which all the good bits utilise. I could appreciate the production, but rarely the performance.

Then I started listening through the ECM catalogue and discovered Jack DeJohnette. First drummer who ever made me consider the kit as a fully worthy standalone instrument in its own right. I can listen to any album with him on and enjoy it, even if I don't like what the rest of the group are playing. There are countless drum solos of his on YouTube but this one is particularly great. Really highlights the fluidity of his playing whilst keeping the groove going and being totally unpredictable without ever losing the pulse. Fantastic.

One thing that helps is that his work on ECM is largely produced by Manfred Eicher who always favours a spacious sound, which is really important to me with drums. Going back to the overall 'sound' of drums as mentioned in the opening post, my taste was at least partially inspired by Everything Must Go by the Manics, with its huge Phil Spector-inspired drum sound. The title track is a great example, and the outro to A Design for Life is a favourite.

In general, tighter, drier sounding drums have been in vogue for quite some time - the first time I particularly noticed them was Radiohead's In Rainbows, and I think the sound was a real stumbling block for me getting into that album - and I do wonder if that's one reason I've listened to fewer guitar bands in recent years. When the Manics attempted an Everything Must Go 2 with Postcards from a Young Man in 2010, one of the issues I had was with how flat all the instrumentation sounded, particularly the drums. The lead single compares very badly to the two tracks I posted above in terms of drum sound.

In terms of craziness, here's Gorguts going Obscura live. Fuck knows where the drummer is hiding his other arms because he must have more than two.


Shit Good Nose

#13
purlieu - you may appreciate the drum work of Phil Collins, if you aren't already aware.  DeJohnette is one of his influences.  It's a given that he's a good drummer - EVERYONE knows that - but what a lot of people don't realise or appreciate is just how musical his drumming is.  Take this duet with Chester Thompson for example - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA3rJXV4R4E

And here's a good example of that musical drumming in the band framework - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=213gyfWI_Yg


On the subject of Chester Thompson, here's some tasty work he did with Ralph Humphrey and the brilliant Ruth Underwood with Zappa in 1973, starting at 9.29 - https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3coy4p

purlieu

Quote from: Shit Good Nose on February 25, 2020, 06:18:30 PM
Phil Collins
I've never listened too closely, but can definitely agree that he's excellent based on those two videos alone. The second performance appealed more, largely because he uses the ride a lot more, which always helps add a looseness and swing to it. It's a shame that I really hate Genesis!
QuoteOn the subject of Chester Thompson, here's some tasty work he did with Ralph Humphrey and the brilliant Ruth Underwood with Zappa in 1973, starting at 9.29 - https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3coy4p
Oh yes, that's lots of fun.

Jon Christensen is another drummer whose performances I enjoy. His playing on Ralph Towner's Solstice is wonderful, complex yet totally subdued in keeping with the mood of the album. Sand is a particular highlight. He died this week, actually, which is sad because he continued his work as almost in-house drummer with ECM until very recently.

Drum solos have obviously been a thing in jazz for some time, but what's the earliest example in rock music? Little B by The Shadows dates to 1962 and is almost entirely an opportunity for Brian Bennett to show off his skill behind the kit.

kngen

My pal Dave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPENc6ka-ok

Quote from: alan nagsworth on February 25, 2020, 05:54:25 PM
I think Mastodon's Brann Dailor deserves a shout as one of the best metal drummers of the last ... fucking hell, "Remission" was 18 years ago ... 20 years? His work on that first album of theirs is remarkable, and he's also superb on Today is the Day's "In the Eyes of God".

Yeah, he's something else. I went to see Mastodon at the 9:30 Club in DC with aforementioned Dave (he's pals with them, and I tagged along for the free booze), and there's a balcony connected to the backstage area overlooking the stage, and one point I see Brann staring up at him. I nudge Dave and tell him that I think his pal wants his attention, so their eyes meet and then Brann, with a big smirk on his face, does this insane, superhuman 2-bar fill without breaking eye contact. It was ludicrous and hilarious, and it occurred to me that this is what the exceptionally talented do to entertain themselves – and each other – when jobbing, workaday musicians like myself are just sweating to remember what comes next in the song.

alan nagsworth

Love it. Love the fuckin drums. Best instrument going.

DrGreggles


Quote from: kngen on February 25, 2020, 07:05:40 PM
My pal Dave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPENc6ka-ok

Yeah, he's something else. I went to see Mastodon at the 9:30 Club in DC with aforementioned Dave (he's pals with them, and I tagged along for the free booze), and there's a balcony connected to the backstage area overlooking the stage, and one point I see Brann staring up at him. I nudge Dave and tell him that I think his pal wants his attention, so their eyes meet and then Brann, with a big smirk on his face, does this insane, superhuman 2-bar fill without breaking eye contact. It was ludicrous and hilarious, and it occurred to me that this is what the exceptionally talented do to entertain themselves – and each other – when jobbing, workaday musicians like myself are just sweating to remember what comes next in the song.

Yeah Brann is fucking immense, I can pick his drumming out in an instant, it's a style all of his own.


Your friend's wiki page lists a lot of bands, he must be a busy man

Also:

QuoteDave Witte is also a fan of cats. He has two cats, Eddie and Linda. He is well known for his skullet, and tough guy mustache.

kngen

Quote from: Nice Relaxing Poo on February 25, 2020, 08:56:50 PM
Your friend's wiki page lists a lot of bands, he must be a busy man

Plus he helps run a vegan cafe and food truck. He lives about 10 minutes away and I see him about once every three months.

Quote

Also:

That's very out of date. Still has the 'tache though.


kalowski

Art Blakey
Gene Krupa
Clyde Stubblefield
Elvin Jones

Shit Good Nose

Quote from: purlieu on February 25, 2020, 07:02:53 PM
Drum solos have obviously been a thing in jazz for some time, but what's the earliest example in rock music? Little B by The Shadows dates to 1962 and is almost entirely an opportunity for Brian Bennett to show off his skill behind the kit.

I think Sandy Nelson's Teen Beat from 1959 is generally accepted as the first rock (or rock 'n roll as it was then) solo, at least on record.  My dad saw Bill Haley and His Comets in Cardiff in 1957 and Ralph Jones did a solo during Rudy's Rock (sax player Rudy Pompilli and bassist Al Rex also had solos in the same song), and I'm sure there must be earlier recorded examples, even if only live.



Here's Billy Cobham on absolutely blistering form post Mahavishnu Orchestra playing to an audience of Norwegian studious beardy types in 1974.  Solo starts at 6.05 and gets fucking mental at around 9.20 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNyYzfkn4yc

mrfridge


chveik





MiddleRabbit

I don't know who it is, but I love the drums on this, tight as a gnat's chuff.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1QySSV19St0

Ringo's drums, from about 1965/6 onwards (about the same time Macca started getting really good in the bass), are outstanding.

Dr Syntax Head

Yes! The outro to design for life is fucking brilliant. A beautiful sound

This though

https://youtu.be/zsnvNwlGg1o

Obligatory Dr Syntax NIN post