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Tiger King: Murder, Mayhem and Madness
« on: March 24, 2020, 07:55:18 AM »
Couldn’t see a thread for this anywhere. The new Netflix limited series documentary that everyone would be talking about in the office if they were allowed to go to the office.

The first episode finds Joe Exotic, owner of the Greater Wynnewoods Exotic Animal Park and with it hundreds of dangerous animals, in prison for hiring somebody to murder Carole Baskin, CEO of Big Cat Rescue, a PETA linked big cat sanctuary. Pretty much everybody in this is absolutely fucking mental, with very few exceptions. Bhagavad “Doc” Antle, the Colonel Kurtz-esque yoga practitioner who rides around on an elephant and has three wives, is definitely the slimiest character so far (I’m on episode three of six).

My brain may have been broken by US politics, but I feel like Carole Baskin is a pretty solid Hillary Clinton analogy. All the clips of her so far have portrayed her as a flower child, cycling along in slow motion around her tiger haven, but there is something sinister underneath the veneer. The second episode shows how she is surrounded by an endless stream of white women who are willing to work for her for free, despite her having the means to pay for all of them many times over, and ends with the revelation that she inherited a vast sum from her first husband, who mysteriously went missing, with a lot of people suspecting that she fed him to the tigers.

Joe Exotic himself transcends description, nothing I say here could do justice to him, so here is a picture of him with his two husbands instead.

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Re: Tiger King: Murder, Mayhem and Madness
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2020, 09:23:10 PM »
I had a "Joe Exotic For President 2016" pack, from the man himself. Annoyingly, I lost it in a move otherwise I'd be living large off the "please buy a Joe Exotic sticker off me" money.

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Re: Tiger King: Murder, Mayhem and Madness
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2020, 11:04:38 PM »
I heard the podcast of this from Wondery a while back. Will have to check this out.

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Re: Tiger King: Murder, Mayhem and Madness
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2020, 10:31:07 PM »
“Here Kitty, Kitty” is a banger.

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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2020, 11:48:18 PM »

My brain may have been broken by US politics, but I feel like Carole Baskin is a pretty solid Hillary Clinton analogy.


Yep - it is very easily to watch as a political allegory for the United States after just one and a bit episodes in. Could close my eyes and Carole Baskin just sounds so much like Hilary in her manner of speaking. And then she had that song of the video like the hilarious fight song. Very well media managed and strategy but yep definitely something cold and calculating about her.

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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2020, 03:16:00 AM »
Yep - it is very easily to watch as a political allegory for the United States after just one and a bit episodes in. Could close my eyes and Carole Baskin just sounds so much like Hilary in her manner of speaking. And then she had that song of the video like the hilarious fight song. Very well media managed and strategy but yep definitely something cold and calculating about her.

The series takes an overt turn into politics around halfway in, when Joe runs for president, and then governor.

I finished this tonight. In a way it was very predictable, everybody involved ended up exactly where you imagined they would, but the journey to get there is very entertaining.

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Re: Tiger King: Murder, Mayhem and Madness
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2020, 04:52:02 PM »
This shit is like Game of Thrones for shady exotic animal owners. So many different factions and rivalries and fascinating characters.

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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2020, 06:33:48 PM »
This series is fucking mad. An absurd standout among the myriad sprawling crimedocuseries on Netflix.

Watched it all last night and this morning, on the recommendation of Bob Mortimer in a recent Athletico Mince. Increasingly fantastic, terrible, and sometimes grimly hilarious with each episode. The caged animals come away with the largest share of sympathy, but the entire human cast have lived rough and bizarre lives. All plight, all weird. So many of the issues covered in individual episodes might have spawned full series of their own - the mysterious vanishing of Don Lewis, for example. For legal reasons I probably cannot speculate that he was definitely fed to tigers.

If you're clicking into this thread out of curiosity, I suggest you definitely watch.

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Re: Tiger King: Murder, Mayhem and Madness
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2020, 06:57:10 PM »
I could have watched a full series of Joe Exotic learning magic from that 10 year old kid and going on his mall magic tour.

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« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2020, 07:19:09 PM »
I think this is perhaps the only show I've ever seen that I found genuinely exhausting in its absurdity. I tried to trace the events backwards from him giving away the zoo to the other mad cunt (in a show populated entirely by mad cunts), and I was totally lost. Great call on the Carol/Hilary comparison!

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« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2020, 08:20:56 PM »
Joe Exotic's eulogy at Travis's funeral was like something Kenny Powers would do in EB&D, except Danny McBride would probably cut it, as it was too unbelievable. And then he starts fucking singing! The long, low cringing moan that sequence elicited from me was a sound I didn't think my body was capable of.

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Re: Tiger King: Murder, Mayhem and Madness
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2020, 11:04:50 PM »
In a recent Athletico Mince. Increasingly fantastic, terrible, and sometimes grimly hilarious with each episode.


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Re: Tiger King: Murder, Mayhem and Madness
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2020, 10:03:45 AM »
The editing/sequencing of this is sublime, feels like there is a WTF! moment every 15 mins.

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« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2020, 01:23:31 PM »
We watched the first three episodes last night. It started out all mocking laughter, but the guffaws petered out as it became clear just how messed up and horrible these people all are. I know there is editorial bias and such in effect, but it's quite amazing that the real-life Tony Montana comes across as the least frightening one.

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« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2020, 08:12:13 PM »

My wife can't watch children animals being hurt/abused. I pre-watched about 20 minutes and it looked safe enough aside from chopping off bits of dead cows. Is it safe to watch with her?

Wild animals kept as pets is a level of abuse, but she will sort of accept that.

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Re: Tiger King: Murder, Mayhem and Madness
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2020, 09:04:36 PM »
There is spoken detail later on (big cats ambiguously 'euthanized'), but I don't think there's anything violent shown onscreen. Warning shots are fired at one point, but not directly at the cats. The final episode moved me with two chimps, deprived of contact for ten years, finally getting to meet and hug and all that.

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Re: Tiger King: Murder, Mayhem and Madness
« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2020, 12:19:57 AM »
I think a photo of some killed rabbits is the worst thing shown on screen.

Re: Tiger King: Murder, Mayhem and Madness
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2020, 02:43:08 AM »
Well in a twist as weird as the show itself it turns out that the video of the Undertaker in a pool with a tiger is at that. fucking creep Doc Antle's place.




Re: Tiger King: Murder, Mayhem and Madness
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2020, 07:58:03 AM »
I think Joe's campaign manager's reaction to Travis blowing his brains out was exactly how I'd react if something like that happened in front of me too. Indeed it's what I did as I watched.

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« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2020, 01:02:31 PM »
I think Joe's campaign manager's reaction to Travis blowing his brains out was exactly how I'd react if something like that happened in front of me too. Indeed it's what I did as I watched.

Astonishing, tragic footage. One of several properly shocking moments.

And to be insensitively technical - and to refer again to to brilliant editing of the series - the way the CCTV was framed was weirdly perfect. The horrible visual takes place just offscreen, signified by a bang and a flash, leaving our undivided attention on the stark reaction of the witness - whom we can then cut to an interview with. For all the horrors and oddities taking place, the filmmakers were gifted with so much incredible material.

See also Joe almost eaten by tigers as his crew gazes on, or Joe's lawyer effectively advising him to destroy his studio. I suppose that's what happens when a man gives himself the surname 'Exotic' and insists on filming himself 24/7.

Also, I knew it - that's not actually Joe singing. I was suspicious from the off, as his speaking voice is pure Oddworld Abe.

EDIT: More amazing footage: the funeral! Fucking hell. Eulogizing about balls while the dead boy's mother shakes with grief and drugs on the front row. 
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Re: Tiger King: Murder, Mayhem and Madness
« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2020, 11:58:01 AM »
This is going to be made into a TV series starring Kate McKinnon as Carole? What is point?

https://www.nme.com/news/tv/tiger-kings-carole-baskin-urges-kate-mckinnon-not-to-use-big-cats-in-new-tv-series-2638661

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« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2020, 12:02:30 PM »
Well in a twist as weird as the show itself it turns out that the video of the Undertaker in a pool with a tiger is at that. fucking creep Doc Antle's place.





Here’s Doc in the background of Britney Spears’ 2001 VMA performance.




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Re: Tiger King: Murder, Mayhem and Madness
« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2020, 12:26:24 PM »
There's some debate in our house over wether Travis shooting himself was accidental or deliberate. I thought it was accidental as according to the witness he was always pissing about with guns, pretending to shoot himself when they weren't loaded etc., and just before he shot himself he (obviously mistakenly) said it wasn't loaded or the safety was on or something. But Mr H says that was referring to other times, and that was why the witness didn't think much of it when Travis was waving the gun around this time, but that he did shoot himself intentionally. I think I'm right of course but am I?

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Re: Tiger King: Murder, Mayhem and Madness
« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2020, 01:02:19 PM »
I thought it was deliberate. There was that clip played just before of him holding a gun saying to camera, "This is my last cigarette before I die". Now, he could have said that all the time and it was just edited to make it look premediated, but I dunno. I'd assumed it was suicide.

There seems to be a lot of vitriol on 'the internet' directed towards Carole Baskin. Yes, she may have fed her husband to tigers but there's no proof of that. There is, however, lots of evidence that the gang of psychopaths actually plotted to kill her, that they kill tigers when they're no longer profitable and that they are well-documented utter fucking cunts (i.e. Jeff Lowe), and yet there isn't the same level of vitriol.

Very strange that, isn't it. Very strange.

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« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2020, 01:13:11 PM »
I thought it was deliberate. There was that clip played just before of him holding a gun saying to camera, "This is my last cigarette before I die". Now, he could have said that all the time and it was just edited to make it look premediated, but I dunno. I'd assumed it was suicide.

I think there can be shades of suicidal ideation in a mishap. He was clearly unwell. Addicted to meth, in a dependent relationship with a terrifying, strange man he wasn't attracted to. You must be suffering an unhappy mindset to flippantly pull a trigger at your temple, even if you're half-sure the gun won't fire.

There seems to be a lot of vitriol on 'the internet' directed towards Carole Baskin. Yes, she may have fed her husband to tigers but there's no proof of that. There is, however, lots of evidence that the gang of psychopaths actually plotted to kill her, that they kill tigers when they're no longer profitable and that they are well-documented utter fucking cunts (i.e. Jeff Lowe), and yet there isn't the same level of vitriol.

Very strange that, isn't it. Very strange.

Yeah. A (female) friend of mine just said Carole Baskin was the person she 'hated most' in the series. And that's ahead of egotistical animal abusers, a sleazy apparent cult leader, a man enabling the drug addictions of teenagers in exchange for sex, and your aforementioned rabble of psychopaths plotting to kill someone.

There seems to be a popular sense that terrible men are cartoonishly entertaining, but morally dubious women are to be condemned without the same layers of ironic enjoyment.

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Re: Tiger King: Murder, Mayhem and Madness
« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2020, 01:35:56 PM »
Rabble of psycho hicks versus "This is a champagne and brie day!"[1]
Hard to affiliate one way or the other.

Which is as much as to say I found them equally detestable but perhaps that does betray an underlying bias, that I should view a smug woman[2] as negatively as I do all those unfettered scumbags.
 1. Actually a quote from her husband
 2. Tiger murder decision pending

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« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2020, 01:47:32 PM »
I didn't begrudge them a celebration when the man who is monomaniacally obsessed with you to the point of threatening to kill you on camera, making videos in which he shoots an effigy of you in the head and sending you snakes in the post on your birthday got sent down

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« Reply #27 on: April 01, 2020, 02:45:23 PM »
Certainly not, I get that, and I do like cheese and booze as well. It just sounds frightfully middle class. Again, prejudice on my part.

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Re: Tiger King: Murder, Mayhem and Madness
« Reply #28 on: April 01, 2020, 02:58:41 PM »
Is anyone else struggling to watch this? I found myself halfway through the second episode last night getting distracted by all sorts, and I realised I was hardly watching it. Not much is happening and I find the world of big cats just very uninteresting.

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« Reply #29 on: April 01, 2020, 03:17:52 PM »
The first two episodes are shit because you think it's going to be about tigers and the idea of Netflix giving these horrible tiger people a platform to justify their cruelty is piss boiling. But then that twist comes at the end of episode 2 and I rattled through the series in one sitting.

And yes. Carol is clearly the least evil of all of them (if on the evil scale) and internet deciding she is the bad guy for maybe killing her husband (who himself seemed to be an utter prick let's not forget - womanising and tiger breeding - lots of dodgy trips to Costa Rica and millions in unexplained wealth) is just more good old awful woman hating on mass.

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