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Hollywood - Netflix Series

Started by Hand Solo, April 25, 2020, 04:26:45 PM

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chveik


Jim Bob

That remix of Glenn Miller's 'In The Mood' can fuck right off.

Hand Solo

Quote from: chveik on April 25, 2020, 04:49:26 PM
it looks appalling

Glad I'm not the only one. Also:

QuoteIt's from Ryan Murphy, which means it's filled with bright colors, beautiful people, and lots of style. The show seems to pay particular attention to LGBTQ actors and people of color, which could let it tell a more interesting story than the many other films and shows that have mined this era of moviemaking.

Obviously the LGBTQ stuff was going on in the background, but 'people of color' weren't really involved in Hollywood were they? Other than cameo roles as 'Mammy' in Southern dramas and the like?

Hand Solo

Quote from: Hand Solo on April 25, 2020, 05:47:59 PM
Obviously the LGBTQ stuff was going on in the background, but 'people of color' weren't really involved in Hollywood were they? Other than cameo roles as 'Mammy' in Southern dramas and the like?

I suppose there is some scope:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Micheaux

Bently Sheds

This is confusing to me as there are all these fictional characters in a fictional film studio making a fictional film, but suddenly there's Rock Hudson, Tallulah Bankhead, Noel Coward, George Cukor, Rory Calhoun, Vivien Leigh and others entwined in the story. I think even Bazinga was playing a real person. They should either have gone full "this really happened with these real people" or "this kind of happened, but in this fictional way" - as it is, it falls between two stools.

There's a shit ton of monologues going on, too. You can see where each actor's being given a shot at an award with their Big Emotional Scene. It gets a bit grating after a while.


Is that my racist brainwrong, or is this a subtle joke on the part of the director?

Mister Six

Quote from: Bently Sheds on May 04, 2020, 07:46:35 PM
This is confusing to me as there are all these fictional characters in a fictional film studio making a fictional film, but suddenly there's Rock Hudson, Tallulah Bankhead, Noel Coward, George Cukor, Rory Calhoun, Vivien Leigh and others entwined in the story. I think even Bazinga was playing a real person. They should either have gone full "this really happened with these real people" or "this kind of happened, but in this fictional way" - as it is, it falls between two stools.

Why? Loads of stuff does this. Once Upon A Time In Hollywood being the most appropriate recent example.

George White

Quote from: chveik on April 25, 2020, 04:49:26 PM
it looks appalling
It's also historically dubious.
Tab Hunter and Ernest Borgnine around in late 40s Hollywood.
Borgnine didn't make his Broadway debut until 1949, and screen debut in a New York TV show in 1950.

Egyptian Feast

Jaysus, this looks like death. I'd love to see a HBO-type series about the early days of Hollywood, back when it was the people who were called 'movies', not the product. I'd love to see this buried.

There's already a really good series named Hollywood.

EOLAN

Quote from: Egyptian Feast on May 04, 2020, 10:13:48 PM
Jaysus, this looks like death. I'd love to see a HBO-type series about the early days of Hollywood, back when it was the people who were called 'movies', not the product. I'd love to see this buried.

There's already a really good series named Hollywood.

Yep I am literally finishing a re-watch of that great silent film series with the wondrous tones of James Mason.

Egyptian Feast

The voice of God. I reckon I'm due a rewatch of that series too.

checkoutgirl

Quote from: Mister Six on May 04, 2020, 08:16:39 PM
Why? Loads of stuff does this. Once Upon A Time In Hollywood being the most appropriate recent example.

Agree. Can't see why fictional people and realies can't co-mingle per ce.

Bently Sheds

Quote from: checkoutgirl on May 05, 2020, 01:28:32 AM
Agree. Can't see why fictional people and realies can't co-mingle per ce.
Because whenever anyone new appears on screen Mrs Sheds asks "Is that a real person?" & I have to Google them to find out.

beanheadmcginty

Quote from: George White on May 04, 2020, 09:45:49 PM
It's also historically dubious.
Tab Hunter and Ernest Borgnine around in late 40s Hollywood.
Borgnine didn't make his Broadway debut until 1949, and screen debut in a New York TV show in 1950.

Hang on, Ernest Borgnine is in this? I hope that means Airwolf turns up at some point.

George White

Quote from: beanheadmcginty on May 05, 2020, 12:26:37 PM
Hang on, Ernest Borgnine is in this? I hope that means Airwolf turns up at some point.
Yes, he hosts the 1948 Oscars for Best Picture IIRC, because Olivia de Havilland won't let Murphy use her after what happened in Feud.

Some of the lookalikes/actors seem a bit random too, Sir C. Aubrey Smith is played by Gopher from The Love Boat.

Bently Sheds

Finished this last night. V poor.

Small Man Big Horse

Quote from: Bently Sheds on May 06, 2020, 08:51:07 AM
Finished this last night. V poor.

In what kind of way, out of interest? As I'm thinking of giving it a shot as I like the setting / concept, but if it's largely okay but then with a terrible ending I'll give it a miss.

notjosh

Sorry, but that bloke at the end is the most pathetic excuse for a Rock Hudson I've ever seen.

Jake Thingray

See now other posters have beaten me to the sentiment, was going to post "Kevin Brownlow leaves thread disappointed".

Danger Man

Quote from: Hand Solo on April 25, 2020, 05:47:59 PM
Obviously the LGBTQ stuff was going on in the background, but 'people of color' weren't really involved in Hollywood were they? Other than cameo roles as 'Mammy' in Southern dramas and the like?

The BBC's recent 'First Term at Mallory Towers' will give you a prolapse.

Bently Sheds

Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on May 06, 2020, 09:56:56 AM
In what kind of way, out of interest? As I'm thinking of giving it a shot as I like the setting / concept, but if it's largely okay but then with a terrible ending I'll give it a miss.
It starts off really well, like it's going to expose the seedy, hypocritical underbelly of 30s Hollywood, but then veers off into a weird fantastical fairytale of magical wish fulfilment. It looks amazing, but I think that's the most charitable thing you can say about it.

Perhaps I'm at fault, as reading replies to my previous comments it's obvious I have completely missed the point of the show. I suppose I started it thinking I was going to get a 30s version of Pose (one of Ryan Murphy's other shows that I really enjoyed) and it's not that show at all.

Small Man Big Horse

Quote from: Bently Sheds on May 07, 2020, 09:12:35 AM
It starts off really well, like it's going to expose the seedy, hypocritical underbelly of 30s Hollywood, but then veers off into a weird fantastical fairytale of magical wish fulfilment. It looks amazing, but I think that's the most charitable thing you can say about it.

Perhaps I'm at fault, as reading replies to my previous comments it's obvious I have completely missed the point of the show. I suppose I started it thinking I was going to get a 30s version of Pose (one of Ryan Murphy's other shows that I really enjoyed) and it's not that show at all.

Thanks for that, it sounds intriguing but pretty odd too, I might give it a go at one point but probably not for a while then.

PlanktonSideburns

Wife watched it while I was doing something else. Everytime I looked at the screen there was a sex scene happening set to the music from the bake-off

You know, that sort of BUM BUM BUM pizzacato orchestra pack kind of stuff, cello goes BUM BUM BUM then a glockenspiel goes TING TING TEE HEE


PlanktonSideburns

Oh and there's a sort of Latin triangle riff as well

Tssh-t-ttsssh Tssh-t-ttsssh

amputeeporn

Yeah, this is dire - what a wasted opportunity.

More galling, Bret Easton Ellis mentioned on his podcast he'd been working on the production of a Hollywood show that would have adapted Easy Riders, Raging Bulls - I guess doing this kind of show but with actual grit and filth, dealing with the New Hollywood auteurs of the 70s, but apparently it didn't get greenlit. Whether he's really the right person to do it or not I don't know (although he knows the era inside out), but that's for sure the show about Hollywood I'd like to see.

Dex Sawash



Dex Sawash


olliebean

Came here to ask if this is worth watching, or if it's just another fucking Ryan Murphy thing. I guess the question has already been answered.

Hand Solo

Quote from: Bently Sheds on May 07, 2020, 09:12:35 AM
It starts off really well, like it's going to expose the seedy, hypocritical underbelly of 30s Hollywood, but then veers off into a weird fantastical fairytale of magical wish fulfilment. It looks amazing, but I think that's the most charitable thing you can say about it.

Only finally got round to finishing this myself. I'd largely agree, it starts off well then disappears up its own arse with fictionalised nonsense with a modern liberal agenda which would have never worked at the time. Though I do think the guy from Big Bang Theory was great as the seedy agent with his Parnell-style anointing his creations under their new name "Let me suck your cock, it's just my thing" he was the only entertaining element left by the end. Making Rock Hudson watch his crazy 'veiled dance of Salome' or whatever it was then spoon on the bed with him, seemed like a real-life insight into power players in Hollywood all having their own weird kinks which drives their careerism.