Author Topic: The Great Leveler  (Read 1482 times)

Zetetic

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The Great Leveler
« on: May 02, 2020, 08:05:53 PM »
I thought my miserable post from the sticky deserved its own miserable thread. I know there were different views on here as to whether it was likely to hit poor and rich alike without discrimination, or whether it would follow the general pattern of inequality.

It looks like we are getting an answer to that in the UK.



"The age-standardised mortality rate of deaths involving COVID-19 in the most deprived areas of England was 55.1 deaths per 100,000 population compared with 25.3 deaths per 100,000 population in the least deprived areas



In Wales, the most deprived areas had a mortality rate for deaths involving COVID-19 of 44.6 deaths per 100,000 population, almost twice as high as the least deprived area of 23.2 deaths per 100,000 population."


https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19bylocalareasanddeprivation/deathsoccurringbetween1marchand17april



I am reminded of the Townsend Centre's Alternative Top Tips, which seem to apply fairly well to COVID-19:

- Don’t be poor. If you are poor, try not to be poor for too long.
- Don’t live in a deprived area. If you do, move.
- Don’t be disabled or have a disabled child.
- Don’t work in a stressful low-paid manual job.
- Don’t live in damp, low quality housing or be homeless.

Will any of this actually touch politics?

Re: The Great Leveler
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2020, 08:40:18 PM »
The idea that this was a 'great leveler' is fucking ridiculous shit spouted by rich folk to  make them feel good.

Zetetic

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Re: The Great Leveler
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2020, 09:12:31 PM »
I think for some people, at the start of this, there was a kind of optimism.

Of course the COVID-19 deaths don't even touch on how unequally the economic and healthcare aftermath is going to fall.

Danger Man

  • Let's stand together
Re: The Great Leveler
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2020, 09:31:32 PM »
I used the Coronavirus postcode map on Nottingham.

Posh parts...no deaths.

Poor parts...some deaths.

Case closed.

chveik

  • DON'T GET THAT COVID, YEAH?
Re: The Great Leveler
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2020, 09:45:13 PM »
I think for some people, at the start of this, there was a kind of optimism.

yeah, the boomer virus etc.

Re: The Great Leveler
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2020, 12:51:23 AM »
This has been discussed in the homelessness thread, but the very fact that the official slogan the government have plumped for is #stayathome unintentionally but instantly demonstrates that we're not 'all in the same boat', as many people seem to be fond of bleating at the moment (often in the same tone as the well-meaning but ultimately useless 'everything happens for a reason').




Re: The Great Leveler
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2020, 12:53:27 AM »
it's only the great leveller if it kills off all the cunts with huge gardens around their historic old rectory in bedfordshire

get in moat you old fuck

icehaven

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Re: The Great Leveler
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2020, 08:49:12 AM »
Someone I work with lives in a house large enough to accommodate her, her husband and 3 kids, her brother and until he recently died, her father in his own annex. When the lockdown first began and my department was told to work from home I had to email her about a few things, and she was still going into work so her first email reply signed off with 'enjoy sitting in the garden!' Leaving aside the snarky implication that that's what I'd be doing instead of working, I cheerily replied 'I wish I had a garden to sit in!', which didn't get a response. Cheeky bitch.

Zetetic

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Re: The Great Leveler
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2020, 10:08:56 PM »
Some interesting discussion from Tom Forth about age and deprivation:
https://www.tomforth.co.uk/coronavirusanddeprivation/

(We might be seeing as many people dying across more and less deprived areas, but possibly younger people in more deprived areas?)

Dewt

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Re: The Great Leveler
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2020, 10:14:17 PM »
Cannot believe Madonna lied to me from her bathtub

Zetetic

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Buelligan

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Re: The Great Leveler
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2020, 08:44:06 AM »
Looks like a lovely big kiss.

As has been mentioned elsewhere on CaB this morning -
Quote
The working clarse can kiss my arse
H’eyv’e got the foreman’s job at larst!

Sony Walkman Prophecies

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Re: The Great Leveler
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2020, 09:08:31 AM »
You'll notice the chart uses income (not class) as a metric. This is because class can't really be quantified in a meaningful way.

(Essentially what I was arguing back in the Labour thread, before it descended into Jacobin ranting)

Buelligan

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Re: The Great Leveler
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2020, 09:14:52 AM »
I think you're confused about class.  And probably about charts too.

Jockice

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Re: The Great Leveler
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2020, 09:21:57 AM »
Jeremy was my favourite. I love white men with dreadlocks.

Buelligan

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Re: The Great Leveler
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2020, 09:22:54 AM »
Bit racist.

Zetetic

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Re: The Great Leveler
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2020, 10:12:39 AM »
You'll notice the chart uses income (not class) as a metric. This is because class can't really be quantified in a meaningful way.
Yeah, it probably can. More easily than throughout much of the last century, really.

You need wealth as well, really. Maybe ecological deprivation if you're feeling fancy.

Zetetic

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Re: The Great Leveler
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2020, 09:29:51 PM »
Jennifer Williams at the MEN has revealed that the Everyone In scheme to ensure temporary housing for the homeless has now had central government funding withdrawn:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/the-numbers-streets-going-rocket-18254318

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