Labour Party discussion: "Shouting Starmer Starmer Starmer mega mega white man!"

[ZoyzaSorris]

The thing that still doesn't totally add up for me is why so many people felt able to vote for Corbyn in 2017 and not in 2019. I mean yeah, the attacks on him intensified, because the establishment was shit scared, but he was still treated like the Antichrist between 2015 and 2017, wasn't he?

Because all the FBPE crowd (for whom, amongst the ringleaders at least, hidden prime directive number one was defeating left, not stopping Brexit) rattling on for two years managed to eventually get fairly normal pro-European left-leaners pied-pipering off to the lib dems and greens whilst Starmer and co's efforts from within simultaneously managed to ensure the loss of masses of traditionally leftish northerners, primarily to abstention. Joint effect of FBPE and the Starmer tendency? To ensure a hard Brexit. A price worth paying to avoid a vaguely left-leaning government of course.

Also the two extra years of intensified attacks, including the endless escalation of the anti-semitism sham, and the entirely more shameless full-spectrum media - especially BBC - propaganda operation in the electoral period itself all took their toll.

[Bobloblawslawbomb]

The thing that still doesn't totally add up for me is why so many people felt able to vote for Corbyn in 2017 and not in 2019. I mean yeah, the attacks on him intensified, because the establishment was shit scared, but he was still treated like the Antichrist between 2015 and 2017, wasn't he?

As fucking useless as they were, the tinge defectors really hurt Corbyn. His polling numbers were in terminal decline from then on. Fuck every one of those Nando's eating cunts.

[evilcommiedictator]

I think what Starmer really needs is to get a obelisk and carve what he stands for into it with a hammer and chisel, call it the KierStone and he can wear it around his neck (because it's so minute)

[Paul Calf]

I think what Starmer really needs is to get a obelisk and carve what he stands for into it with a hammer and chisel, call it the KierStone and he can wear it around his neck (because it's so minute)

It'd have to be a wipe-clean whiteboard.

[Johnny Yesno]

Because all the FBPE crowd (for whom, amongst the ringleaders at least, hidden prime directive number one was defeating left, not stopping Brexit) rattling on for two years managed to eventually get fairly normal pro-European left-leaners pied-pipering off to the lib dems and greens whilst Starmer and co's efforts from within simultaneously managed to ensure the loss of masses of traditionally leftish northerners, primarily to abstention. Joint effect of FBPE and the Starmer tendency? To ensure a hard Brexit. A price worth paying to avoid a vaguely left-leaning government of course.

Also the two extra years of intensified attacks, including the endless escalation of the anti-semitism sham, and the entirely more shameless full-spectrum media - especially BBC - propaganda operation in the electoral period itself all took their toll.

You also had Patrick Heneghan, who was one of the wreckers mentioned in the leaked antisemitism report, going on to work for the People's Vote campaign after he left Labour. This Heil article (link is for a news aggregator) is worth a look in passing:

https://twnews.co.uk/uk-news/people-s-vote-campaign-chief-patrick-heneghan-cleared-over-allegations-of-harassment

People's Vote campaign chief Patrick Heneghan cleared over allegations of harassment


A bitter power struggle at the top of the doomed campaign for a second referendum on EU membership burst into the open last night after a top official was cleared of sexual harassment allegations made by allies of former No 10 spin doctor Alastair Campbell.

The meltdown at the top of the People's Vote organisation – which conceded defeat after Boris Johnson's landslide Election win – started in October when this newspaper published emails from Mr Campbell and fellow Labour veteran Peter Mandelson which revealed they were plotting a 'Blairite coup' to topple campaign chairman Roland Rudd.

Emails from Alastair Campbell (pictured) and fellow Labour veteran Peter Mandelson revealed they were plotting a 'Blairite coup'

Multi-millionaire PR guru Mr Rudd responded by sacking two Blairite executives – campaign director James McGrory and communications chief Tom Baldwin – and installing his ally Patrick Heneghan in Mr McGrory's job.

But Mr Heneghan was forced to step down after harassment allegations were made against him by three female members of staff.

A mass staff walkout and a vote of no confidence then led to Mr Rudd standing down as chairman.

But now Mr Heneghan has been exonerated, saying: 'I'm glad this has come to an end. Its been very distressing especially when my family were pulled into it. Now I just want to go back to work.'

Campaign chairman Roland Rudd (left). Patrick Heneghan (right) was forced to step down after harassment allegations were made against him by three female members of staff

One of Mr Heneghan's friends accused members of Mr Campbell's faction of being 'sociopaths' who had 'tried to destroy him'.

And last night allies of Mr Rudd described the finding as a 'moral victory' for the campaign, even though it failed in its mission to force a second referendum.

Labour veteran Peter Mandelson (pictured). Rudd allies claimed that Lord Mandelson and Mr Campbell, senior advisers on the campaign, were responsible for 'bullying and intimidation' in the office

Mr Johnson's Election win, which has paved the way for Brexit to take place by the end of January, has led to the People's Vote campaign being scrapped.

It will be rebranded early next year to refocus on the social issues it wants to be prioritised in Brexit talks.

Acknowledging the new political reality, Mr Baldwin said last week: 'It now appears that for all the marches, donations and letter writing that took place, the People's Vote campaign will not succeed.

'The actions of Roland Rudd and his boardroom coup effectively disabled the campaign.'

The investigation into Mr Heneghan's conduct by legal firm Farrer & Co heard claims that his opponents in the campaign tried to 'dig dirt' on him and that, after his appointment, he had received a number of threats to ruin his reputation unless he stood down.

The case was dropped after no employees came forward with any evidence against Mr Heneghan.

A friend of Mr Rudd – brother of former Tory Cabinet Minister Amber Rudd – said: 'The whole thing was extraordinary. They [those making the allegations] refused to talk to Farrers even after they extended the deadline for evidence.'

One of Mr Heneghan's friends described opponents in the Campbell and Mandelson camp as 'sociopaths' and said: 'The obsessive ringleaders sought to destroy Patrick to try to regain control of the campaign and to teach Rudd and Heneghan a lesson.

'All of the allegations were given to the media at the same time they were given to the campaign.'

However, a source in the Campbell camp said: 'The investigation only ceased because they made clear it would be a whitewash.' Emails published in October revealed that Mr Campbell said of the power struggle with Mr Rudd: 'I do not see how this gets done without a public battle. It should happen soon and be fast and brutal.'

In another email, Lord Mandelson wrote to colleagues, including Mr Campbell: 'I agree we need to pin down Roland's slipperiness. To counter what he said... will require trawling through and possible exposure of private email chains. Who is going to do that?'

Rudd allies claimed that Lord Mandelson and Mr Campbell, senior advisers on the campaign, were responsible for 'bullying and intimidation' in the office.

A spokesperson for the 'Peoples Vote Staff' – the allies of Mr Campbell and Mr Mandelson – questioned the role in the investigation of Mr Rudd's Open Britain organisation, which formed part of the People's Vote campaign.

The spokesperson said: 'Specific concerns were raised with the board of Open Britain about Mr Heneghan's suitability to lead the People's Vote campaign team.

'It is alleged that, faced with these allegations, certain members of the Open Britain board undermined and victimised the complainants.

'It refused to allow the investigator to consider any allegation which would involve scrutiny of Open Britain, its board, or Mr Heneghan during the period when he was employed by Open Britain'.

Whichever faction of this cavalcade of cunts you choose to believe, it's clear none of them would do anything that would do anything to increase the likelihood of a Corbyn government.

[Buelligan]

Because all the FBPE crowd (for whom, amongst the ringleaders at least, hidden prime directive number one was defeating left, not stopping Brexit) rattling on for two years managed to eventually get fairly normal pro-European left-leaners pied-pipering off to the lib dems and greens whilst Starmer and co's efforts from within simultaneously managed to ensure the loss of masses of traditionally leftish northerners, primarily to abstention. Joint effect of FBPE and the Starmer tendency? To ensure a hard Brexit. A price worth paying to avoid a vaguely left-leaning government of course.

Also the two extra years of intensified attacks, including the endless escalation of the anti-semitism sham, and the entirely more shameless full-spectrum media - especially BBC - propaganda operation in the electoral period itself all took their toll.

I agree with this and have to say re the anti-semitism sham, I think mentally healthy people in general should sometimes double-check their opinions and directions.  The finger-pointing got to a point with this that there were people around me telling me, someone pretty sure of their eggs, that antisemitism was rife in the party.  Raising their immaculate eyebrows and hands in dismay at my rejection of it and I did actually have a little sit down and rethink.  I came back with precisely the same opinion, but still, that AS smear was hysterical, cynical and extremely dangerous.  And all-pervasive, of course.  Nasty, nasty, stuff.

[holyzombiejesus]

No, do read this one: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/14/labour-defeat-super-rich-conservatives-calling-higher-taxes-starmer

Although it probably won't tell you anything you didn't already know.

It's great, that. I really like Christine Berry. Her book on 'Corbynomics', People Get Ready, was ace.

[holyzombiejesus]

https://labourlist.org/2020/07/over-170-members-are-standing-in-labours-nec-elections-who-are-they/?fbclid=IwAR1M6bL940fOhg9SLJWmmkHimwa_l17Gl34wyW4hWgs4g1RAGk6P0OqeK1M

How is it going to be possible to organise this so the left gets seats? Will there be some kind of round robin where, for example, the order of preference shifts according to area so NW would vote alphabetically, Yorkshire would do the same but from the 2nd down etc? I'm guessing the huge number of candidates could work in our favour. People in my CLP are stating they'll vote across slate which again should help those of us who want the Momentum 6. Will Pidcock lose significant votes because of the trans thing or, as a 'name', could she pick up votes from those voting across slate?

[Wacky Homemade Badges]

The guidelines issued to Scottish parties about STV might be useful. Especially pages 12 and 13, plus the appendix showing the Irish examples. Obvs it's talking about Scottish Parliament rather than the NEC, but the STV principles - quotas, vote management, transitions - all apply.

https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Campaigning-under-the-single-transferable-vote.pdf

[Johnny Yesno]

Oh, great. Thanks Keith.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/15/labour-to-apologise-to-antisemitism-whistleblowers

[dissolute ocelot]

Oh, great. Thanks Keith.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/15/labour-to-apologise-to-antisemitism-whistleblowers

How many times will he "draw a line" under "labour's antisemitism"?

[BlodwynPig]

Oh, great. Thanks Keith.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/15/labour-to-apologise-to-antisemitism-whistleblowers

A true scandal. Those whistleblowers were mendacious rabble rousers at best, who destroyed Britain, or at least the chance for any socialist change in Britain.

They should be held accountable and thrown out of the party.

[Buelligan]

I literally don't care what he does any more.

[pancreas]

No, he has slipped into a place of my mind where ugly things reside. I have no more inclination to hear his nugatory equivocations to look at road kill or child porn.

[Sebastian Cobb]

I literally don't care what he does any more.

I just wish he'd do it somewhere else.

[Paul Calf]

A timely reminder of the great work New Labour did on civil liberties, community relations and social security:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1231543272943898626.html

[ZoyzaSorris]

When's thugler going to admit he's made a catastrophic blunder?

[pancreas]

When's thugler going to admit he's made a catastrophic blunder?

I suppose we could go into the next election on an empty manifesto and lose the status of Her Majesty's Opposition to the SNP.

Maybe then.

[thugler]

When's thugler going to admit he's made a catastrophic blunder?

There were only 2 choices and both of them were poor.

[NoSleep]

But you managed to pick the poorest.

Actually, there weren't two choices.

[Johnny Yesno]

There were only 2 choices and both of them were poor.

Wrong. There was also RLB.

[pancreas]

Wrong. There was one choice and three alternatives. And all of them were somewhat poor.

[NoSleep]

One choice, two alternatives and a pretender, not only pretending to be of the left, but, wasn't this going to be the leadership election where we would choose a woman for the role? Treacherous.

[Johnny Yesno]

Wrong. There was one choice and three alternatives. And all of them were somewhat poor.

Actually, I'd forgotten that there were five candidates originally. Jess Phillips is surprisingly forgettable for someone so annoying.

[king_tubby]

I doubt this surprises anyone, but bloody hell.

Career trajectories of anti-Corbyn MPs:

Michael Dugher - lobbyist for the bookies
Angela Smith - board of a private water company
Chris Leslie - debt collectors' association
Chuka Umunna - consultant at a union-busting PR firm

https://twitter.com/ronanburtenshaw/status/1283765585264939009

[Paulie Walnuts]

Release the Russia report!

Russian hackers meddled in UK election by spreading secret documents which were brandished by Jeremy Corbyn

[jobotic]

After they were published on Reddit.

We already knew this you twat. Nice try though.

I don't think you ever said - you happy with the way your lot have handled Covid?

[BlodwynPig]

Release the Russia report!

Get back to the gulag, you subhuman insignificant

[chveik]

Release the Russia report!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjOWO_GEYKg

[Paulie Walnuts]

you happy with the way your lot have handled Covid?

seems like some people are

Westminster Voting Intention:

CON: 44% (=)
LAB: 37% (-2)
LDM: 8% (+1)
GRN: 4% (-1)