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Labour Party discussion: "Shouting Starmer Starmer Starmer mega mega white man!"

Started by Blinder Data, May 04, 2020, 05:28:45 PM

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Paul Calf

This government will not be removed by democratic means, and probably not in the lifetimes of most people on this forum.

ZoyzaSorris

The thing we can do is the one thing they don't want us to do, stay and fight within the party. Starmer may have won by (hopefully temporarily?) fooling the gullible thuglers of this world but the causes of Corbyn amongst the membership haven't gone away. Winning the summer NEC elections for the left would put the right straight on the back foot again. This was always going to be a long battle for the soul of the party (sadly now lengthened dramatically by Corbyn and co's terribly misguided acquiescence and overtures of peace that were never going to be reciprocated). The right are still much weaker than they might appear.

dunelm

Quote from: ZoyzaSorris on May 06, 2020, 11:00:39 AM
The thing we can do is the one thing they don't want us to do, stay and fight within the party. Starmer may have won by (hopefully temporarily?) fooling the gullible thuglers of this world but the causes of Corbyn amongst the membership haven't gone away.

Yet the majority of the membership didn't vote for the continuity Corbyn candidate - Starmer won by quite a large margin. I think some here need to reflect on that democratic decision of the membership. A membership I'm sure plenty here have championed the importance of over the last few years.

monkfromhavana

Quote from: dunelm on May 06, 2020, 11:25:30 AM
Yet the majority of the membership didn't vote for the continuity Corbyn candidate - Starmer won by quite a large margin. I think some here need to reflect on that democratic decision of the membership. A membership I'm sure plenty here have championed the importance of over the last few years.

Of course, but it doesn't mean that you have to agree with the memberships decision. Abide with it, yes, agree with it on a personal level, no. The Labour party should be a broad church with a variety of opinions. Corbyn clearly agreed with this as Watson, Starmer et al still had positions within the shadow cabinet even though they were from opposite ends of the party, had tried to oust him in a coup and were constantly sniping.

I think we're wondering if Starmer's Labour party will do the same. At the moment, it really doesn't look like it and none of the Corbyn supporting MPs are doing nothing like the shit the right MPs threw at Corbyn.

Buelligan

Quote from: dunelm on May 06, 2020, 11:25:30 AM
Yet the majority of the membership didn't vote for the continuity Corbyn candidate - Starmer won by quite a large margin. I think some here need to reflect on that democratic decision of the membership. A membership I'm sure plenty here have championed the importance of over the last few years.

I think we should listen to this poster.  A poster with a long history of posts devoted to advancing socialism and the good of the Labour movement.  Who does not come here simply looking for wanking stories.  Heheh.  Dear lordy, who are you kidding mate?

dunelm

Quote from: Buelligan on May 06, 2020, 11:57:51 AM
I think we should listen to this poster.  A poster with a long history of posts devoted to advancing socialism and the good of the Labour movement.  Who does not come here simply looking for wanking stories.  Heheh.  Dear lordy, who are you kidding mate?

Sorry, I thought this was comedy discussion forum with a general discussion section, not a socialist activist group. But now you've clarified it makes sense. Just need to update the name of the site so it's clear.

Kelvin

Quote from: dunelm on May 06, 2020, 11:25:30 AM
Yet the majority of the membership didn't vote for the continuity Corbyn candidate - Starmer won by quite a large margin. I think some here need to reflect on that democratic decision of the membership. A membership I'm sure plenty here have championed the importance of over the last few years.

I think the result shows that the membership, though on the left (to varying degrees), are not going to vote for the Left candidate by default. Long Bailey rarely impressed, she had a voting history and policy background to back her up, but no charisma, no presence, no vitality. If the membership (or people in the public who lean left) sense that there is an actual movement of passion and talent, I suspect they could reclaim the leadership in a future election, and maybe even exert pressure on the current Labour leadership. I've done it myself, but blaming the membership for voting Starmer misses the point, to an extent; the left failed to offer something the membership could believe in after a massive electoral setback and divisive Brexit positioning. 

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: dunelm on May 06, 2020, 12:05:16 PM
Sorry, I thought this was comedy discussion forum with a general discussion section, not a socialist activist group. But now you've clarified it makes sense. Just need to update the name of the site so it's clear.

I think you need to refresh your browser. It's been called 'Fuck off, dunelm' for ages.

Fambo Number Mive

Starmar has actually made some good points so far at PMQs. Johnson giving non-answers like "the data is not yet there to "draw conclusions".

EDIT - why is he not opposing Johnson lifting some lockdown restrictions though?


dunelm

Quote from: Kelvin on May 06, 2020, 12:07:13 PM
I think the result shows that the membership, though on the left (to varying degrees), are not going to vote for the Left candidate by default. Long Bailey rarely impressed, she had a voting history and policy background to back her up, but no charisma, no presence, no vitality. If the membership (or people in the public who lean left) sense that there is an actual movement of passion and talent, I suspect they could reclaim the leadership in a future election, and maybe even exert pressure on the current Labour leadership. I've done it myself, but blaming the membership for voting Starmer misses the point, to an extent; the left failed to offer something the membership could believe in after a massive electoral setback and divisive Brexit positioning.

It's not a question of blaming the membership, more observing what their actions suggest. You could argue Starmer also lacks charisma and vitality so all things being equal the membership didn't choose the more radical policy option and they choose him by quite a margin. I'd suggest this indicates the membership en masse isn't as radical as some here would like to believe it is. Membership also could have abstained en masse and they didn't. I agree RLB wasn't up to it and ran a shit campaign.

Well done for no ad homs and also not treating a comedy forum as an Islington North Momentum meeting.

jobotic

The people that matter - Andrew Neil, Robert Peston - are very impressed with Starmer today. The important thing is that he's courteous.

Always be courteous to those responsible for thousands of deaths.


Cuellar

Quote from:  Andrew Sparrow of the Guardian
A week today, we will remember that Starmer looked the part at his first PMQs, but we are less likely to remember what he actually said

Encouraging, isn't it

Kelvin

Quote from: jobotic on May 06, 2020, 01:04:04 PM
The people that matter - Andrew Neil, Robert Peston - are very impressed with Starmer today. The important thing is that he's courteous.

Always be courteous to those responsible for thousands of deaths.

They're only building him up to tear him down later. They have to show he's better than Corbyn, before they tell us he's worse than the Tories. 

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: Kelvin on May 06, 2020, 01:46:38 PM
They're only building him up to tear him down later. They have to show he's better than Corbyn, before they tell us he's worse than the Tories.

I'd say it's more that they're trying to shape him in their image and if they fail then they'll tear him down.

Buelligan

Quote from: Kelvin on May 06, 2020, 01:46:38 PM
They're only building him up to tear him down later. They have to show he's better than Corbyn, before they tell us he's worse than the Tories.

I'd say they were working their way back to the dear old good cop, bad cop politics the Establishment control us with.

Kelvin

Quote from: Johnny Yesno on May 06, 2020, 02:00:02 PM
I'd say it's more that they're trying to shape him in their image and if they fail then they'll tear him down.

Sure. They want to set a direction of travel, send him a clear message of what is and isn't acceptable. But a big part of it is showing a contrast to Corbyn, showing that "sensible" centrism is better than the reckless, malicious incompetence of the left. All the people who were tempted by Corbyn have to be shown that the alternative is better, more a threat to the Tories, more capable. And once people forget Corbyn and start to like Starmer, they'll turn on him, too.

monkfromhavana

Quote from: jobotic on May 06, 2020, 01:04:04 PM
The people that matter - Andrew Neil, Robert Peston - are very impressed with Starmer today. The important thing is that he's courteous.

Always be courteous to those responsible for thousands of deaths.

!s "courteous" this weeks "forensic"?

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: Kelvin on May 06, 2020, 02:07:57 PM
a big part of it showing a contrast to Corbyn, showing that "sensible" centrism is better than the reckless, malicious incompetence of the left.

Sorry, I meant to agree with that in my previous post.

Paul Calf

So Keith didn't even mention the lies about the number of tests conducted on the last day of April.

What a useless cunt.

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: Paul Calf on May 06, 2020, 03:12:49 PM
So Keith didn't even mention the lies about the number of tests conducted on the last day of April.

What a useless cunt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXcsyi9SC3k

To be fair, it wasn't a terrible job. There's so much to address with these cunts it's difficult to fit it all in to PMQs.

Urgh! Villiers is a dreadful ghoul, isn't she?

Shoulders?-Stomach!

Fucking hell. Boris is so utterly, steamingly awful. He couldn't even come close to sounding like he gave a shit about deaths in care homes.

Shoulders?-Stomach!

All Boris has said so far is "UHHHHH theee ... UHHHHHHH theeee ... UHHHHH"


pancreas

Please. The fact that this cadaverous nauseous cunt is regarded by *anyone* as a source of humour is enough to push me off the edge. IN WHAT WORLD does that piece of shit get to write The Funnies for anyone at all?

BlodwynPig


Danger Man

Quote from: pancreas on May 06, 2020, 09:34:15 PM
Please. The fact that this cadaverous nauseous cunt is regarded by *anyone* as a source of humour is enough to push me off the edge. IN WHAT WORLD does that piece of shit get to write The Funnies for anyone at all?

The four pot plants are crying....