Justice League - Snyder Cut to be released

[beanheadmcginty]

I'm glad that the Man of Steel theme got reinstated in this as I think that's the best thing to come out of these Snyder films. Obviously it's no John Williams, but it's still among the best of the modern hero themes.

[Chedney Honks]

Cinematic event of the decade.

[PlanktonSideburns]

Batman Chunky

Amazing

[Mister Six]

It was only a dream.

Same as in BvS, which is to say it wasn't a dream, it was a premonition of a Zack Snyder film that will never be made.

[Johnny Textface]

I'm glad that the Man of Steel theme got reinstated in this as I think that's the best thing to come out of these Snyder films. Obviously it's no John Williams, but it's still among the best of the modern hero themes.

Yep it's a really great theme. Those original Man of Steel trailers were amazing mainly due to that amazing melody.

https://youtu.be/T6DJcgm3wNY

I was so excited for that film based on the trailers.. And then so disappointed 😩

[Kelvin]

Yep it's a really great theme. Those original Man of Steel trailers were amazing mainly due to that amazing melody.

The third Man of Steel trailer was the best Superman movie ever made.

[Johnny Textface]

It really was. Probably my favourite trailer of all time to be honest

Hans or one of his minions really nailed it.

[Magnum Valentino]

The third Man of Steel trailer was the best Superman movie ever made.

Link please, wanna see.

[Custard]

It was an artful trailer of some washing on a washing line, and shots of cornfields, which was genuinely effective.

Then the film came out and it was constant destruction with a Superman completely uncaring for innocent human life

When Supes returns in JL, he does feel more like the classic Superman, and is one of the best things in it, so that's nice. Pity Cavill has been given such rubbish to work with, as he could have been a great Supes

[Kelvin]

Link please, wanna see.

Johnny posted it above:    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6DJcgm3wNY

EDIT: Sorry, that reads much more arsey than intended. I just wanted to give Johnny the nod.

[lipsink]

Man Of Steel was a dreadful mess. Just no sense whatsoever of who any of the bloody characters actually were supposed to be. The constant flashing back and forward worked in Nolan's Batman Begins but in MoS you just feel like you're missing huge chunks in Clark Kent's story. So when Superman puts on the suit it just felt so unearned. The hyperactive direction and editing also felt like a response to 'Superman Returns' which a lot of people found boring. Returns was definitely way too long and a bit of a drag but at least it had some fucking soul. (Even though it was directed by a peado)

[Custard]

Apparently WB really wanted Nolan to write and direct MOS, and were clearly hoping he'd do for Superman what he did for Batman. But he turned it down, and took on a producer role. IE he was given a stack of money just so they could stick his name on it somewhere.

Though I do think he was involved in the early creative stages, helping Snyder hash out the bare bones of the story. I see he's still listed as a producer on JL, so he must have got several stacks of that sweet WB coinage

[Ant Farm Keyboard]

I'm up to part 4 for the Snyder cut. It's a whole exercice in stupidity, even if it's more coherent than the theatrical release, especially the fight scenes.

I was in particular much amused by the way Wonder Woman hears about the situation. So, the Amazons have this special arrow, the Artemis Arrow, that, when you shoot it, magically lands into a temple in Crete to start a fire that will make headlines on French Le CNN. But its real purpose is that Wonder Woman must pick it, read the instructions printed on it and go down a gallery, then use it as the magical key to a secret room that consists of a series of frescos with a few captions.
That's an oddly specific and narrow way, established centuries in advance, to inform one particular person (who wasn't even born or bound to leave the island) about one particular scenario. Do they have other arrows for other secret rooms, just to cover a whole range of situations, or was it just the one?
But, more importantly, why don't they allow Diane to return the island (as the whole fate of Earth, including her people, is at stake) ? Why don't they mention she's not supposed to return? And why the hell didn't they tell her long before about what the Mother Box meant?
Everything that happens on screen is just an excuse to have one of the lead characters in the film, instead of Connie Nielsen or Willem Dafoe, narrate the poor man's long ripoff of the prologue to The Lord of the Rings that plays then. Which turns out to be based on the very few sentences that Diana read on the frescos from the room.

Another thing that delighted me is the whole Cyborg origin story, specifically the part where he discovers his powers, by cyberstalking a Latino woman and making her RICH, during a suspenseful Powerpoint presentation. It's totally a Neil Breen sequence with more budget.

[Butchers Blind]

Remember seeing that trailer and thinking this might be good, then I went to see it at the cinema...

[phantom_power]

There really is no excuse for how poor the CGI is, though I think they main problem is that they are getting the characters to do such ridiculously overpowered things that it would be hard to make it look realistic. Wonder Woman moving faster than bullets to stop a baddie with a machine gun from killing multiple people for instance. Having a person move that quickly just looks silly

[Magnum Valentino]

Johnny posted it above:    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6DJcgm3wNY

EDIT: Sorry, that reads much more arsey than intended. I just wanted to give Johnny the nod.

No worries boss, I just didn't know if that was the same one you meant.

[Mister Six]

I'm up to part 4 for the Snyder cut. It's a whole exercice in stupidity, even if it's more coherent than the theatrical release, especially the fight scenes.

I was in particular much amused by the way Wonder Woman hears about the situation. So, the Amazons have this special arrow, the Artemis Arrow, that, when you shoot it, magically lands into a temple in Crete to start a fire that will make headlines on French Le CNN. But its real purpose is that Wonder Woman must pick it, read the instructions printed on it and go down a gallery, then use it as the magical key to a secret room that consists of a series of frescos with a few captions.
That's an oddly specific and narrow way, established centuries in advance, to inform one particular person (who wasn't even born or bound to leave the island) about one particular scenario. Do they have other arrows for other secret rooms, just to cover a whole range of situations, or was it just the one?
But, more importantly, why don't they allow Diane to return the island (as the whole fate of Earth, including her people, is at stake) ? Why don't they mention she's not supposed to return? And why the hell didn't they tell her long before about what the Mother Box meant?
Everything that happens on screen is just an excuse to have one of the lead characters in the film, instead of Connie Nielsen or Willem Dafoe, narrate the poor man's long ripoff of the prologue to The Lord of the Rings that plays then. Which turns out to be based on the very few sentences that Diana read on the frescos from the room.

Haha, I was so knackered at this point that this didn't even register (although the cut of her dropping into the caves was weird, like it was missing some interstitial shot of her looking down into the temple).

But yeah, this is proper first-draft "fuck it, I'll work it out later" stuff. "Fuck! How are the Amazons going to contact Diana? Uh, a magic arrow? That's pretty old-fashioned. Wait, shit, she's in Paris, and a homing arrow might just look dumb. Er... it causes a massive pillar of flame that she sees on the news? Okay, but how does the pillar communicate the backstory? Ah, she is an archaeologist, so..."

But yeah, not having told Diana about this massive bit of Amazon lore when she was growing up is a bit weird. Especially as there's a corner of the (not terribly massive) island of Themyscria with a giant collapsible temple guarded by two dozen Amazons 24/7. You'd think she would have asked about that.

[C_Larence]

Another thing that delighted me is the whole Cyborg origin story, specifically the part where he discovers his powers, by cyberstalking a Latino woman and making her RICH, during a suspenseful Powerpoint presentation. It's totally a Neil Breen sequence with more budget.

That part was hilarious yes. When it started I thought it was going to show that she was the driver who crashed into his car, and he was going to see that she was a good person (read: worked in service and couldn't pay rent) and that humans are complicated and can't be defined by one action. Instead he just made one woman arbitrarily richer!

[Custard]

Unsurprisingly, this is getting a physical release. At some point

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08ZP3V4FY/

[Glebe]

WarnerMedia's Ann Sarnoff on 'Zack Snyder's Justice League' and DC's Future.

Will there be more of these director's cuts? Will we see David Ayer's cut of "Suicide Squad"?

We won't be developing David Ayer's cut.

Not saying a director's cut of Suicide Squad would be any better, would be interested to know about any unreleased stuff not in the extended edition/deleted scenes though.

[mjwilson]

I think I am just not interested in the way the DCU have gone with these films. Even the non-Snyder films bore me. Wonder Woman, which got pretty much universal praise, has all the same flaws as Man of Steel etc. for me. Portentous, overlong, dreary. Same with Aquaman. The only one that is half decent is Shazam

Birds of Prey was fun and had a great sandwich in it

[Custard]

Forgot about Birds Of Prey! That was good fun. Certainly one of the better DCU films

[Glebe]

BoP had half a decent film in it, the other half was shite. As for the sandwich, I don't like eggs!

[Spiteface]

WarnerMedia's Ann Sarnoff on 'Zack Snyder's Justice League' and DC's Future.

Not saying a director's cut of Suicide Squad would be any better, would be interested to know about any unreleased stuff not in the extended edition/deleted scenes though.

I think the Snyder Cut is a one-off. If Suicide Squad was a similar situation, maybe an "Ayer Cut" might be worth it.

I'll give 'em a "Spiteface Cut" though - it'll be FIVE HOURS of that one underwater bit where Batman punches Harley Quinn on a loop.

[Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth]

I'll give 'em a "Spiteface Cut"

You'll CGI off everyone's nose?

[Spiteface]

It's my signature move.

[amputeeporn]

Johnny posted it above:    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6DJcgm3wNY

EDIT: Sorry, that reads much more arsey than intended. I just wanted to give Johnny the nod.

I remember being really impressed by that trailer (there's almost something Springsteenian about him, which would have been a much better tack than GRUMPY, troubled supes) - you can imagine the great film that goes with it , but sadly that film is not Man of Steel.

One thing that strikes me now, is how much BETTER the effects look there than in Justice League. I definitely got the sense that once Snyder was up and running, those films really were just on a conveyor belt, and not to their credit.

Re: him decrying the right wing element of his support. I know he's a lunkhead, but I've never once gotten the sense that he's a Bad Person in that sense. Some people are just into metal.

[Blumf]

Re: him decrying the right wing element of his support. I know he's a lunkhead, but I've never once gotten the sense that he's a Bad Person in that sense.

Isn't he a bit of an Ayn Rand fanboy? He's been wanting to do The Fountainhead for a while, although, it sound like he just wants to do a daft rich people bonking melodrama:

https://theplaylist.net/the-fountainhead-zack-snyder-20190521/

"'The Fountainhead'... It's still important to me, but it's a really touchy subject right now," said Snyder. "People will think it's hardcore right-wing propaganda, but I don't view it like that. I just think the story is super fun and crazy and melodramatic about architecture and sex."

Not sure if that'd be amazingly mental (like the start of MoS, on Krypton), or awkwardly boring (like the rest of MoS).

[Mister Six]

WarnerMedia's Ann Sarnoff on 'Zack Snyder's Justice League' and DC's Future.

Not saying a director's cut of Suicide Squad would be any better, would be interested to know about any unreleased stuff not in the extended edition/deleted scenes though.

A director's cut would almost certainly be better. I don't think it could possibly be worse.

Honestly, I don't see why they're saying no to this, given that the film was already complete before they brought in the trailer-makers to re-edit it and butcher it in the process.

The only thing I can think of is that they don't want to distract from/overshadow Suicide Squad 2, even with talk of that coming down the line. After that's out, and especially if it's a success (which I imagine it will be, it being a James Gunn joint), I'll be gobsmacked if they don't get Ayer in to polish up his own cut and throw it out on HBO Max.

If they don't then I can only assume that he royally pissed in some exec's chips.

BoP had half a decent film in it, the other half was shite. As for the sandwich, I don't like eggs!

I'd say it had tge makings of two decent full films (Birds of Prey vs Black Mask/Harley Quinn's Very Bad, No Good Day) and suffered from trying to cram them both into one sitting.

[Obel]

Honestly, I don't see why they're saying no to this, given that the film was already complete before they brought in the trailer-makers to re-edit it and butcher it in the process.

I do. Giving the directors cut treatment to Snyder is one thing, as his Justice League is different enough that it lends to a new viewing experience. But if they start handing out new cuts to the directors of their previous films they're basically admitting that they're mostly putting out shit movies with creative control taken away from the artists they hire.
It's got to be a PR decision more than anything.