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Started by the science eel, June 02, 2020, 03:09:36 PM

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Razzmatazz
Lipgloss
Do You Remember The First Time?
Babies
Common People
Sorted for E's and Whizz
Disco 2000
Something Changed

the science eel

...since 'Common People' almost made it to number 1.

I love Pulp, but they might have put out better singles. Yes, evene bettere!!

Choose yer three favourites from their imperial mid-90s run.

Lisa Jesusandmarychain

Lipgloss, Babies, First Time. Easy.

" We Love Life" was their best album an' all.

Pingers

My favourite is Common People because of the understated vitriol. The first I ever heard of Pulp was in Melody Maker or NME a good while before they became well known. The bit of the interview that always stuck with me was discussion of the song Dogs Are Everywhere.

What's the about then?

'It's about dogs'

Right.

'And how they're everywhere'

I see.

For Pulp devotees I would recommend the book of lyrics, Brother, Mother, Lover. One key fact I got from that is that Jarvis hates Catcliffe, in Rotherham. A man of taste.

purlieu

Lipgloss and First Time. His'n'Hers is always my go-to Pulp album. I like them all (apart from Freaks - but even that has wonderful EPs & b-sides), but that album always stands head and shoulders above for me.

Pingers


chveik

it's all about Sheffield Sex City

DrGreggles

Always loved Live Bed Show, but not a single.
So the correct answer is Do You Remember The First Time.

Inspector Norse

Babies for being where they perfected their tawdry, pervy, perceptive glam style
Something Changed for being their finest Proper Song.
Common People for its lyric and subversive anthemic power and status.

I was listening to Different Class just yesterday and thinking how many of the lyrics - particularly Mis-Shapes, as well as Common People - are resonant again in the current political and social climate of Britain.

the science eel

Quote from: Inspector Norse on June 02, 2020, 04:56:00 PM
Babies for being where they perfected their tawdry, pervy, perceptive glam style
Something Changed for being their finest Proper Song.
Common People for its lyric and subversive anthemic power and status.

I was listening to Different Class just yesterday and thinking how many of the lyrics - particularly Mis-Shapes, as well as Common People - are resonant again in the current political and social climate of Britain.

TOO RIGHTE

Pingers

Jockice might knock me down for this, but I think Pulp were the archetypal Sheffield band. Ignored for a long time while bolder and brassier bands from cities like Manchester took the limelight, kept plugging on modestly in the background, grafting, quite ordinary looking, almost apologetic, until finally people from elsewhere saw something special. If you were from Sheffield or had lived here a while, I think that is how you would script it. Whereas the Arctic Monkeys trajectory - quick success then move to America - is very much off-script.

the science eel

Quote from: Pingers on June 02, 2020, 06:54:35 PM
Pulp ... kept plugging on modestly in the background, grafting, quite ordinary looking, almost apologetic, until finally people from elsewhere saw something special. If you were from Sheffield or had lived here a while, I think that is how you would script it.

I heard from a few Sheffield residents or ex-residents that JC could be a bit of a cunt once he got big - dropping mates and girlfriends suddenly, turning his back on people who'd helped. Maybe that's just jealousy, I don't know.

And not that this contradicts what you're saying, necessarily.

Jockice

Quote from: Pingers on June 02, 2020, 04:44:28 PM
Paging Jockice

Hi there. It's Razzmatazz, Common People, First Time. In that order.

Never liked Babies much. I realise this is heresy.

DrGreggles

Quote from: Jockice on June 02, 2020, 07:48:33 PM
Never liked Babies much. I realise this is heresy.

Great song, but not a great single.

If that makes sense...

Brundle-Fly

My favourite Pulp era is the early 90's Countdown/ My Legendary Girlfriend, O.U. singles and B-sides.

chveik

Quote from: Brundle-Fly on June 02, 2020, 11:29:03 PM
My favourite Pulp era is the early 90's Countdown/ My Legendary Girlfriend, O.U. singles and B-sides.

yep me too. at last we can agree on something!

idunnosomename

sing along with the common people
like raoul moat

Brundle-Fly

Quote from: chveik on June 02, 2020, 11:38:24 PM
yep me too. at last we can agree on something!

Finally x

Jockice

Quote from: the science eel on June 02, 2020, 07:06:47 PM
I heard from a few Sheffield residents or ex-residents that JC could be a bit of a cunt once he got big - dropping mates and girlfriends suddenly, turning his back on people who'd helped. Maybe that's just jealousy, I don't know.

And not that this contradicts what you're saying, necessarily.

I think we could all become bits of a cunt if we ever became big. His bandmate Nick once said said there was a big difference between being a daft lad from Sheffield and being a daft famous lad from Sheffield. I was once at a mutual friend's wedding and he was getting asked for his autograph every few minutes - unlike other band members in attendance who were more or less being left alone.

I think it is partly jealousy, partly because the pressures of fame/work meant that he wasn't available for Friday night drinks in the Washington and partly because he could be a bit of a cunt and that was partly because it had been such a struggle getting where he wanted to get to the heights of fame then realising he didn't like it much.

Anyway, worst ever Pulp single was Party Hard. Absolutely dreadful. A bonus track on a CD re-release if ever I've heard one.

Jockice

Quote from: DrGreggles on June 02, 2020, 08:29:29 PM
Great song, but not a great single.

If that makes sense...

I don't even think it's a great song. An okay song. Not a bad song. Decent album track.

But then I got asked to contribute to a thing in the local paper I used to work for when they played their final gig at Sheffield Arena. They asked fans for their first memories of Pulp and their favourite song by them. I think four out of the six people asked said Babies was their favourite. Don't get it I'm afraid. I chose Cocaine Socialism. Definitely Jarvis' best ever lyrics.

Phil_A

Quote from: Jockice on June 03, 2020, 07:54:50 AM
I think we could all become bits of a cunt if we ever became big. His bandmate Nick once said said there was a big difference between being a daft lad from Sheffield and being a daft famous lad from Sheffield. I was once at a mutual friend's wedding and he was getting asked for his autograph every few minutes - unlike other band members in attendance who were more or less being left alone.

I think it is partly jealousy, partly because the pressures of fame/work meant that he wasn't available for Friday night drinks in the Washington and partly because he could be a bit of a cunt and that was partly because it had been such a struggle getting where he wanted to get to the heights of fame then realising he didn't like it much.

Anyway, worst ever Pulp single was Party Hard. Absolutely dreadful. A bonus track on a CD re-release if ever I've heard one.

I was struck by the part in the No Sleep Till Sheffield documentary where Jarvis is beset by screaming teenage girls on the way to a gig. Suddenly becoming that famous almost overnight after years plodding away in obscurity must fuck with your head to a massive degree, so it's maybe not surprising he turned into an arsehole for a while.

It's interesting that both Pulp & Suede put out post-addiction comeback albums after a long break that both ended up being disappointments (in my opinion), both lacking the qualities that made either band compelling. You couldn't have Pulp without the sleaze, it's an integral part of their appeal.

Babies is alright but it's really overplayed.

Jockice

Quote from: Phil_A on June 03, 2020, 12:54:28 PM
I was struck by the part in the No Sleep Till Sheffield documentary where Jarvis is beset by screaming teenage girls on the way to a gig. Suddenly becoming that famous almost overnight after years plodding away in obscurity must fuck with your head to a massive degree, so it's maybe not surprising he turned into an arsehole for a while.

It's interesting that both Pulp & Suede put out post-addiction comeback albums after a long break that both ended up being disappointments (in my opinion), both lacking the qualities that made either band compelling. You couldn't have Pulp without the sleaze, it's an integral part of their appeal.

Babies is alright but it's really overplayed.

And that was before the whole Michael Jackson thing of course.

The only time he was a cunt to me was when I asked for his autograph in the Leadmill not long before Common People came out (for someone else obviously). He did give me one but he had two young ladies with him and tried his best to make me feel like shit for disturbing him.. He did apologise  when I mentioned it the next time I saw him and said he'd been hassled all night and someone he'd known for ages treating him like a pop star was the final straw. Which is fair enough, but a former schoolmate of mine went up to say hello to him in a pub in London about five years earlier - before he was anything near famous - and apparently Jarvis was a cunt there too. So he definitely has it in him.

I still occasionally bump into him at parties and events. We usually nod to each other or shake hands. I think the last time we had a proper conversation was after that Arena gig in 2012. Still, we're not arch enemies or anything.

I like We Love Life. It hasn't got anything on it nearly as bad as Party Hard or TV Movie on it. That Suede album is awful though. We don't want songs from them called Positivity. We wants lyrics like: "she eats her meat to the beat of the street."

chveik

I'd also be a cunt if people everywhere were bothering me for autographs


Pingers

I'm guessing that being approached by old mates when you're all famous and that can be a bit like how it sometimes is when you have kids - you love them but sometimes you just want them to leave you the fuck alone.

Jockice

Quote from: holyzombiejesus on June 03, 2020, 01:39:26 PM
Spoiler alert
I'm being mean and I like Jockice's comments.
[close]

Ha ha. No offence taken, Honest.  It's just really hard to enter a thread like this without bringing in my !VERY OWN! personal insights. I tried not to but failed mserably. Anyway did you also know I have a girlfriend?

Brundle-Fly

I must say, I do like his recent single. He's one of those pop stars who must never lose their barnet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75wFi5IizQc

Lisa Jesusandmarychain

Quote from: Jockice on June 03, 2020, 02:55:35 PM
Ha ha. No offence taken, Honest.  It's just really hard to enter a thread like this without bringing in my !VERY OWN! personal insights. I tried not to but failed mserably. Anyway did you also know I have a girlfriend?

Do one, Gingerbollocks.

purlieu

Quote from: Phil_A on June 03, 2020, 12:54:28 PM
It's interesting that both Pulp & Suede put out post-addiction comeback albums after a long break that both ended up being disappointments (in my opinion), both lacking the qualities that made either band compelling. You couldn't have Pulp without the sleaze, it's an integral part of their appeal.
It's rare I come across someone else who doesn't rate We Love Life (I very often see it held up as their best album). It's got a few tracks I like ('Wickerman' and 'Sunrise' are up there with their best tracks), but on the whole the mellow acoustic sound doesn't work for me and to this day I still don't know how 'Bob Lind' and 'Roadkill' go, despite having listened to the album at least a hundred times.

But it's still a trillion times better than A New Morning by Suede. That's got a couple of pleasant tracks that would work well without Brett's astonishingly bad lyrics ('Astrogirl' being the worst example), but is almost unlistenable for the most part. Should have been a career low-point, but then they followed it up with those Singles-era recordings. Christ. Suede are one of those bands who are only really good at one thing (well, two) and fail spectacularly when they try anything else. I'm glad their reunion has decided to stick to that formula.

sardines

I see Disco 2000 scored low in the poll.
These days it seems to fall into the category of great songs forever defined by the limitations of their lyrics.
The chorus meaning that we are forever stuck in a pre-millenium indie disco.

This song has been in my head a lot recently and I think it is one of Jarv's best lyrics.
There is very little archness or seedy pay-off, he plays it straight with  a Loach-ian melancholy. It is a reflection on the fact that, whether it be then or now, the world you inhabit will always be one step ahead of allowing you to get what you want.

Also it mentions breasts so there is something in it for the lads when it comes to the singalong.

Lisa Jesusandmarychain

It's not that great a tune, though. It rips off " Gloria" by Laura Brannigan, for a start ( in fact, the song itself was originally titled " Gloria", until one of the producers[nb] I don't mean Zero Mostel or Gene Wilder said that to them. Who produced " Different Class"? I've forgotten.[/nb] or somebody said "Probably best that you don't do that, lads" to 'em.