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Richard Herring getting twitchy in lockdown: 2020

Started by MojoJojo, June 05, 2020, 02:54:47 PM

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sutin

Quote from: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on November 26, 2020, 08:58:11 PM
Arthur Mathews has written a book about Dominic Cummings, an absolute cunt who he has "no strong feelings about".

The fucking state of satire in this country. Mathews may not be a mad terf, but in that Herring interview he comes across as a complacent, financially secure hack with no moral backbone.

That didn't sit well with me either.


RicoMNKN

There's a clip of the audiobook on Chortle:
https://www.chortle.co.uk/features/2020/10/29/47199/inside_the_mind_of_dominic_cummings_(as_imagined_by_arthur_mathews)

It's no Well-Remembered Days.

It sounds like the whole idea came about when the publishers brainstormed titles that would sell at Christmas, rather than recognise that he has actual comic skills and ideas of his own. I kind of feel sorry for him being offered it.

Annie Labuntur

Quote from: RicoMNKN on November 26, 2020, 11:47:46 PM
It sounds like the whole idea came about when the publishers brainstormed titles that would sell at Christmas, rather than recognise that he has actual comic skills and ideas of his own. I kind of feel sorry for him being offered it.

I just turned down a book about George W Bush and Donald Trump in a retirement home. Kill me if I end up regretting it.

thugler

Quote from: selectivememory on November 26, 2020, 05:03:39 PM
He did block Glinner shortly before he was booted off Twitter, which really pissed Graham off, as you would expect. And around the same time Herring mentioned on a podcast about a time when he got a bit of terf backlash for some innocuous comment on Twitter, which pretty much destroyed any sympathy he might have had for their arguments. So no, he's not a terf.

https://youtu.be/_yIh410-goQ?t=4055  - at 1:07:35 if the link doesn't take you there directly.

That's good, i stand corrected.

Dusty Substance

Quote from: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on November 26, 2020, 08:58:11 PM
Arthur Mathews has written a book about Dominic Cummings, an absolute cunt who he has "no strong feelings about".

The fucking state of satire in this country. Mathews may not be a mad terf, but in that Herring interview he comes across as a complacent, financially secure hack with no moral backbone.

TBH, I admired his honesty when he said that. I'd much rather a comedy writer be honest about their political feelings than to give the impression they deeply care about the state of politics, only to not actually really give a fuck.

Pranet

Well, he is Irish and lives in Ireland so that probably helps engender a feeling of detachment from our bullshit.


Virgo76

On Warming Up the other day, Herring mentions the actor Joe McFadden, star of the mid-90s series, The Crow Road which he says once 'cruelly besmirched Lee and Herring'. I remember The Crow Road but not in massive detail. What is he referring to? How did the series besmirch them?

Curate's Egg

Quotebut to me, these matters were troubling,

as was my brother's
inexplicably steep career curve.

So, this bigshot agent guy
comes up to me after the gig.

He says the bookers are goin' wild for me.

Anyway, next thing I know,
he's made a few phone calis,

and he's gone and booked us a warm-up slot
on the next Lee & Herring tour.

- It's not bad, eh?
- Lee and Herring aren't funny.

Exactly!

But, it's a good career move, and they do
a massive amount of shagging -

all those young girls who can't tell
the difference between funny and fellatio.

Which is obviously important to
a committed socialist alternative comedian.

Important? It's totally essential, man!

https://subslikescript.com/series/The_Crow_Road-115145/season-1/episode-1-Prentice

DrGreggles

Quote from: Tony Yeboah on November 27, 2020, 11:54:30 PM
Stewart Lee's joke about Lee & Herring has reached YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJJCL2GYf2k

Such a good joke too.
Is that his first Herring references in his post-L&H stand up?
Herring has mentioned Lee loads of times, but never armed with a 'zinger'.

bigfatheart

Quote from: Virgo76 on December 03, 2020, 06:33:08 PM
On Warming Up the other day, Herring mentions the actor Joe McFadden, star of the mid-90s series, The Crow Road which he says once 'cruelly besmirched Lee and Herring'. I remember The Crow Road but not in massive detail. What is he referring to? How did the series besmirch them?

AH CROW LIKE A BIRD

JamesTC



Mobbd

Quote from: DrGreggles on December 03, 2020, 06:45:07 PM
Such a good joke too.
Is that his first Herring references in his post-L&H stand up?
Herring has mentioned Lee loads of times, but never armed with a 'zinger'.

Lee mentioned Herring during the pirate rope bridge bit. He mentioned the list they had in the '80s of subjects forbidden on hack grounds, Thatcher and Scooby-Doo being two of them. That stood out to me as quite a respectful reference to Herring, the subtext being that together they had been young comedians of principle.

In '90s comedian (I think) he was short about people quoting his catchphrases at him "from fifteen years ago," not mentioning Herring by name but clearly referring to the double act.

Rolf Lundgren

I flicked through Arthur Mathews' Dominic Cummings book today after being underwhelmed like others with his interview and it's probably even more disappointing than you can imagine. Weak, thin gruel.

Ballad of Ballard Berkley

Mathews making money from a toothless stocking-filler book about an amoral cunt who is directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people is Not Cool. He's presumably not short of a bob or two, he didn't need to do this. There's no excuse.

Menu

Quote from: Rolf Lundgren on December 03, 2020, 10:25:51 PM
I flicked through Arthur Mathews' Dominic Cummings book today after being underwhelmed like others with his interview and it's probably even more disappointing than you can imagine. Weak, thin gruel.

Not sure what people were expecting from the writer of Toast.

sutin

Quote from: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on December 03, 2020, 10:39:17 PM
Mathews making money from a toothless stocking-filler book about an amoral cunt who is directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people is Not Cool. He's presumably not short of a bob or two, he didn't need to do this. There's no excuse.

Yep.

Twonty Gostelow

Quote from: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on December 03, 2020, 10:39:17 PM
Mathews making money from a toothless stocking-filler book about an amoral cunt who is directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people is Not Cool.

But what if there's a hidden acrostic in the book spelling that out on the first two pages? I bet you haven't even checked.

Dusty Substance

Quote from: Menu on December 04, 2020, 12:12:19 AM
Not sure what people were expecting from the writer of Toast.

Or indeed from one of those cash-in books which is clearly designed as a stocking filler, to be read once (on the lav) before being donated to the chazza by mid January.


Ballad of Ballard Berkley

Quote from: Twonty Gostelow on December 04, 2020, 05:07:19 PM
But what if there's a hidden acrostic in the book spelling that out on the first two pages? I bet you haven't even checked.

It's a fair cop, that hadn't occurred to me.

Thought this week's RHLSTP with Alistair Green was brilliant.  Really funny. 
Watch the video version if you can.

Wet Blanket

Quote from: Mobbd on December 03, 2020, 08:13:06 PM
Lee mentioned Herring during the pirate rope bridge bit. He mentioned the list they had in the '80s of subjects forbidden on hack grounds, Thatcher and Scooby-Doo being two of them. That stood out to me as quite a respectful reference to Herring, the subtext being that together they had been young comedians of principle.

In '90s comedian (I think) he was short about people quoting his catchphrases at him "from fifteen years ago," not mentioning Herring by name but clearly referring to the double act.

In the footnotes of his script books Lee is usually pretty respectful of Herring and open about how his influence has continued into his stand-up work. He does refer to him as a 'professional podcaster' in March of the Lemmings, which could be interpreted acidly, but it's as nothing to the slating he consistently gives Frankie Boyle.

magval

I agree, I've always thought that Stewart's mentions of Rich in the footnotes were buoyed by genuine praise. I don't think he's critical of podcasts as a means of making a living - why would he be?

Dusty Substance


sutin

Quote from: magval on December 09, 2020, 01:00:57 PM
I agree, I've always thought that Stewart's mentions of Rich in the footnotes were buoyed by genuine praise. I don't think he's critical of podcasts as a means of making a living - why would he be?

Lee was also nice about Herring on WTF. He called him 'the British you' to Maron, referring to Rich being the UK's leading podcast interviewer. And yes, if Stew was against podcasts, he wouldn't have made appearances on RHLSTP, WTF, Comedian's Comedian, Book Shambles and possibly more. I imagine he just has no interest in making or listening to them. At the end of the day, podcasts are just talk radio distributed in a different way.

frajer

Quote from: sutin on December 09, 2020, 03:39:42 PM
And yes, if Stew was against podcasts, he wouldn't have made appearances on RHLSTP, WTF, Comedian's Comedian, Book Shambles and possibly more.

Yeah, Stew makes for a great podcast guest. Had his ep of The StageLeft Podcast on this morning and it was very enjoyable. Whatever your thoughts on how funny he is, he definitely considers all the angles he comes at comedy from and it's interesting to hear him dissect his craft.

I'd say his appearances on RHLSTP aren't his best, as the stage setting (and freely available beers) definitely bring Stewart Lee the Character out to play.

sutin

Quote from: frajer on December 09, 2020, 03:47:15 PM
I'd say his appearances on RHLSTP aren't his best, as the stage setting (and freely available beers) definitely bring Stewart Lee the Character out to play.

Haaa, yes. Plus being interviewed by someone he's known very well for decades encourages his devilish side to run amok. He doesn't need to be on his best behaviour with Rich.

Jerzy Bondov

Quote from: Beep Cleep Chimney on December 09, 2020, 10:29:28 AM
Thought this week's RHLSTP with Alistair Green was brilliant.  Really funny. 
Watch the video version if you can.
Alistair is turned up too loud. Unwatchable!