Author Topic: JK Rowling TERFing her legacy into the bin  (Read 28989 times)

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« Reply #510 on: June 29, 2020, 02:51:33 PM »
I love babies but oh wait

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« Reply #511 on: June 29, 2020, 03:22:44 PM »
Some goooooooood takes here. This has been going on for a while and I'm burnt out by it.

I want to contribute to someone becoming one less problem in the world, but the talons are dug in deep in nearly all these cases.

Persecution complexes are pretty rife. She's been alluding to receiving 'bomb threats' from trans people in fucking Brighton of all places and really shies away from elaborating at all. One of the biggest problems is they often treat trans people like it's an ideology and we all have the same political aims outside of the human notion of emancipation. Some trans people have shitty views yeah, we're just people who don't identify with our assigned gender and not a homogenous group with the same aligned politics or aims.

Terfism, conversely, is ideologically motivated and has nothing to do with emancipation. Winds them up to tell them that they're aligned with right wingers, fundamentalist Christians, and outright fascists.

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« Reply #512 on: June 29, 2020, 03:28:49 PM »
And dreadful dreary hack writers.  Don't sideline them!

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« Reply #513 on: June 29, 2020, 03:35:59 PM »
And dreadful dreary hack writers.  Don't sideline them!

i take my politics from the creator of ralph weasleee

Re: JK Rowling TERFing her legacy into the bin
« Reply #514 on: June 29, 2020, 04:38:12 PM »
Are you from, like, 1932, or something?

What?

But it is a feminist position to extend the same maternity leave to men as a human right, not a woman's right, as it is trying to break the notion that women are responsible for childrearing and skipping thus possible discrimination.
It seriously needs to become normalized - the positive impact on wage inequality, parenting duties, and overall quality of life for all considered would be massive.

Absolutely. The current system in the UK is shit.

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Re: JK Rowling TERFing her legacy into the bin
« Reply #515 on: June 29, 2020, 05:27:44 PM »
It's the shit. I LOVE inequality!

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« Reply #516 on: June 29, 2020, 05:43:50 PM »
How long d'ya reckon until she says something properly shitty and ends up part of the purge, ranting on Glindr or Gab about free speech?

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« Reply #517 on: June 29, 2020, 07:05:33 PM »
How long d'ya reckon until she says something properly shitty and ends up part of the purge, ranting on Glindr or Gab about free speech?
She's not really in the same category as Glinner where it comes to vortexes of hate. She's more a Gary Barlow (hated by many but too rich to care), while TERFing was all Linehan had. She's good at centrist, middle-class, more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger putdowns, and never gets vicious enough to be banned.

And she's survived years of abuse from the nutty fringe of Scottish Nationalism, being accused of satanism by various nutty American preachers, the whole Johnny Depp thing, the gay Dumbledore thing (from both sides), as well as everything in her personal life, so she's unlikely to crack. Most of her Twitter is still kids tweeting pictures of monsters.

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« Reply #518 on: June 30, 2020, 12:26:14 AM »
Yeah I'd be surprised if she gets as flagrantly bad as Glinner, calling people pedophiles, retweeting and sharing pictures of trans women like Pokémon cards, getting pissed off at 'queers' and tagging in former celeb friends to hound them and encourage pile ons. Really it might be bad for trans rights if she becomes the public face of terfdom because she will make sure she seems a whole lot more reasonable than Linehan.

You never know, though. It could be a slippery slope. You share one mocking Yaniv meme, and next thing you know you're calling Paris Lees a pedo and signing up for Stormfront. I don't think there's much room for nuance in the ideology and she has already succumbed whole heartedly - and it's not like GC people were telling Linehan he went too far when he behaved in the most egregious ways, instead it seemed they defended him to the hilt.

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« Reply #519 on: June 30, 2020, 12:44:01 AM »
Just to chuck this into the mix as I just did an 'identify as' google search and autofill came back with 'identify as an aboriginal person'. Does that mean that you can identify yourself as belonging to an ethnic group as well as sex? Granted to actually belong to an ethnic group, you need a lineage, but maybe this is the next horizon? Can of worms.

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Re: JK Rowling TERFing her legacy into the bin
« Reply #520 on: June 30, 2020, 12:44:39 AM »
What?

Absolutely. The current system in the UK is shit.

It's late so I'm not going to check, but I believe in the UK it's now parental leave and it can be split between parents how they like.

It was after it was relevant to me though, so I might be completely wrong.

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Re: JK Rowling TERFing her legacy into the bin
« Reply #521 on: June 30, 2020, 12:47:04 AM »
Just to chuck this into the mix as I just did an 'identify as' google search and autofill came back with 'identify as an aboriginal person'. Does that mean that you can identify yourself as belonging to an ethnic group as well as sex? Granted to actually belong to an ethnic group, you need a lineage, but maybe this is the next horizon? Can of worms.
But that's already how it works. There aren't any ancestry checks when you say you're part of any given ethnic group for an official purpose.

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« Reply #522 on: June 30, 2020, 07:54:25 AM »
Ash Sarkar being accused of making up a sexual assault in her youth to make an argument against JHB pretty much sums up their side of the argument on this

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Re: JK Rowling TERFing her legacy into the bin
« Reply #523 on: June 30, 2020, 08:50:53 AM »
But that's already how it works. There aren't any ancestry checks when you say you're part of any given ethnic group for an official purpose.
And there's no way to make "ancestry checks" make sense without subscribing hard to racialism.
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Re: JK Rowling TERFing her legacy into the bin
« Reply #524 on: June 30, 2020, 09:03:08 AM »
Edit glitch fool.

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« Reply #525 on: June 30, 2020, 09:10:59 AM »
It's late so I'm not going to check, but I believe in the UK it's now parental leave and it can be split between parents how they like.

It was after it was relevant to me though, so I might be completely wrong.

There is, but it's still shit and it just shares one person's maternity allowance between two people. There's still no right to leave as a father (or partner of the mother) and it's very complicated. The mother can effectively elect to donate some of her sub-minimum-wage leave allowance to the father, if he fulfills a lot of eligibility criteria and she goes back to work. It doesn't address the employer bias issue, because the design encourages mothers to take much more leave than fathers, and by default it still all lays with the mother.

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« Reply #526 on: June 30, 2020, 04:45:49 PM »
There is, but it's still shit and it just shares one person's maternity allowance between two people. There's still no right to leave as a father (or partner of the mother) and it's very complicated. The mother can effectively elect to donate some of her sub-minimum-wage leave allowance to the father, if he fulfills a lot of eligibility criteria and she goes back to work. It doesn't address the employer bias issue, because the design encourages mothers to take much more leave than fathers, and by default it still all lays with the mother.

Yes exactly this. You can split the allowance, but basically that’s one person giving away half of their rights. Parents should get parental leave, and it shouldn’t depend on their genitals to determine who gets what money/time.

It was something I came up against a lot - “your wife must really like you to give up her time haha!”, but NO actually, I have the right to take the time off and not be fired from my job for it. I just get zero money, zero benefits, and no other legal protection beyond not being fired (and for a lot of less privileged people that is de facto the same as not having the right to time off) but I can do it. We just live in a tiny cheap apartment and Mrs Ferris got a pay top up through work (not me though obv) so we could just about make it work.

The only disadvantage of giving everyone equal time off for parental leave regardless of genitals is the increased costs for companies. As we live in an ailing late stage capitalist system, governments will never mandate companies take any increased costs so actual human beings must bear the emotional brunt of having to work while your child grows up at home/being the person who “gives up” their career to deal with kids. It’s mad but there you go.

Re: JK Rowling TERFing her legacy into the bin
« Reply #527 on: July 05, 2020, 08:08:59 PM »
lmao she's fucking going all out now. she's like glinner if he was an angry headmistress

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1279755418621878272/photo/1

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« Reply #528 on: July 05, 2020, 08:14:22 PM »
lmao she's fucking going all out now. she's like glinner if he was an angry headmistress

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1279755418621878272/photo/1

it would be funny if she wasn't a billionaire and had actual influence 

She could buy her way to make her glinner desolation into a full on culture war. Ultimately to the detriment of trans kids 

Glinner was already seen as a patronising twitter policeman and doesn't have the same clout as JK.

Hopefully this stays twitter contained, were the general consensus seems to be fuck her

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« Reply #529 on: July 05, 2020, 09:28:45 PM »
But weird to cite "ignor[ing] porn tweeted at children on a thread about their art" as an example of your humility.

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« Reply #530 on: July 05, 2020, 09:30:59 PM »
never stops being funny. best non-sequitur ever. it's also 'bravado'. in quotes. it's such a blunt end.



and she ctrl Vs, then types the hashtag? wtf

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« Reply #531 on: July 05, 2020, 09:32:48 PM »
Some heavy shit for a 9 year old to deal with

I bet Rowling sees the people she follows replying to her posts at the top so she doesn't quite realise how unpopular she is being

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« Reply #532 on: July 05, 2020, 09:49:25 PM »
lmao i never saw this SNP MP having a benny about a TERF meme in parliament



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg7VxBhGjlY

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Re: JK Rowling TERFing her legacy into the bin
« Reply #533 on: July 05, 2020, 09:54:37 PM »


Has anyone checked if this is still attached to the rest of her?

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« Reply #534 on: July 05, 2020, 10:01:27 PM »
never stops being funny. best non-sequitur ever. it's also 'bravado'. in quotes. it's such a blunt end.



and she ctrl Vs, then types the hashtag? wtf

whoops, another TERF dozy. poor kids, she's using them to make her look vaguely human

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« Reply #535 on: July 05, 2020, 10:59:32 PM »
lmao i never saw this SNP MP having a benny about a TERF meme in parliament

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg7VxBhGjlY

If I was Scottish that might make me opposed to independence

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« Reply #536 on: July 05, 2020, 11:24:49 PM »
But weird to cite "ignor[ing] porn tweeted at children on a thread about their art" as an example of your humility.

Very. "I've ignored fake tweets attributed to me and RTed widely. I've ignored porn tweeted at children on a thread about their art. I've ignored death and rape threats. I'm not going to ignore this."

If I were to advise a children's author on things to ignore, of those three, I'd definitely choose "someone with less than a couple thousand followers on Twitter slightly misreading a nonetheless careless tweet that you Liked." Ignore that one, Joanne! We can discuss whether sending porn to children or issuing death and rape threats is the priority to address, but regardless, the most important one of the three definitely isn't the person not doing either of those things.

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« Reply #537 on: July 05, 2020, 11:27:54 PM »
it's fucking bizarrely narcissistic. how DARE you hippo vibe

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« Reply #538 on: July 05, 2020, 11:43:05 PM »
i really hate this cunt. he's so willfully naive about shit like this when actually he knows EXACTLY whats going on. absolute knob. (not the spider-man)


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« Reply #539 on: July 05, 2020, 11:49:21 PM »
Why does anyone bother with Twitter seems like it is just used to argue endlessly on the internet. People would feel alot better if they stayed away from it, engaged in real life. Not getting drawn into petty arguments all over the web. Who actually has time for that?

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