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Re: Re-Watchin' Blackadder 2020
« Reply #60 on: June 22, 2020, 03:56:53 PM »
"Pie shop" just sounds funnier spoken by Atkinson than "Coffee shop" would.

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« Reply #61 on: June 22, 2020, 04:00:48 PM »
"This huge sausage is very suspicious."

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Re: Re-Watchin' Blackadder 2020
« Reply #62 on: June 22, 2020, 04:06:39 PM »
"Pie shop" just sounds funnier spoken by Atkinson than "Coffee shop" would.

As was said on one of the previous threads about it on this forum, Atkinson always delivered plosives well, which is why Curtis and Elton included them, and makes Mr Bean even more of a waste.

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« Reply #63 on: June 22, 2020, 04:27:24 PM »
Yeah I guess seeing as it's mentioned in Blackadder II it's probably a pie shop just because pies are funnier than other consumables.

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« Reply #64 on: June 22, 2020, 04:33:32 PM »
As was said on one of the previous threads about it on this forum, Atkinson always delivered plosives well,

Indeed. A man who can make the word 'Bob' funny.

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« Reply #65 on: June 22, 2020, 05:10:14 PM »
I remember as a student, a group of us were watching an episode of Forth and Rowan was doing one of his extended similes.  'He goes on too long, doesn't he?' said one girl.  I remember that same episode Atkinson mentioned the 'best female impersonation since Tarzan raided Jane's handbag and ate her lipstick,' which confused me and seem to do everyone else.  It's only quite a lot later I got that the idea was he would have lipstick smeared around his mouth after and so he would have involuntarily adorned himself in a way that is mostly done by women.

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Re: Re-Watchin' Blackadder 2020
« Reply #66 on: June 22, 2020, 05:25:47 PM »
Series 3 is my favourite, partly because it's the first one I ever watched but also because I love the sparse, stripped-down quality it has with the main cast reduced to just three characters. There's something very satisfying in the simplicity of the pecking order from the Prince to Blackadder to Baldrick and it feels like the purest distillation of the show's formula, as well as having a certain scrappy, intimate character that lends it a kind of cosiness for me.

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« Reply #67 on: June 22, 2020, 05:47:55 PM »
Series 3 is my favourite, partly because it's the first one I ever watched but also because I love the sparse, stripped-down quality it has with the main cast reduced to just three characters. There's something very satisfying in the simplicity of the pecking order from the Prince to Blackadder to Baldrick and it feels like the purest distillation of the show's formula, as well as having a certain scrappy, intimate character that lends it a kind of cosiness for me.

I oscillate between 2 and 3, but Hugh Laurie is really great as the Prince. His scene with Stephen Fry as the Duke of Wellington is brilliant.

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« Reply #68 on: June 22, 2020, 05:52:09 PM »
2 had original Flashheart and Tom Baker! Two of the greatest one shot sitcom characters ever! The latter's first scene with Edmund is amazing. Tom allowed to give full rein to his over acting tendencies and he grabs it with both hands (he had a woman's hands!)

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Re: Re-Watchin' Blackadder 2020
« Reply #69 on: June 22, 2020, 05:55:21 PM »
Have Big Finish yet lined up a spinoff boxset of Redbeard Rum Adventures? If not, they're missing a trick!

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« Reply #70 on: June 22, 2020, 05:57:22 PM »
Oh yea, they are smilies aren't they?

The last I saw of 1 my main memory is of thinking how you Tim McInnery looked. I know that's how time works but even so.

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Re: Re-Watchin' Blackadder 2020
« Reply #71 on: June 22, 2020, 06:00:44 PM »
As a quick duck back, Mrs Miggins' Pie Shop first appears - or at least is mentioned - in Blackadder II, showing that it's been around since Elizabethan times at least. Percy mentions taking that 'young roister-doister' Bob there for a slap-up feed in 'Bells'.
It's also mentioned in Money(?) where Blackadder blackmails the Baby-Eating Bishop of Bath and Wells and mentions as part of  his demands "a slap up binge at Mrs. Miggins' pie-shop".

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« Reply #72 on: June 22, 2020, 10:37:27 PM »
I love series 1. I've no idea why it's held as inferior. I thought I liked it because I was about 14 when it was on and it tickled my formative chuckle cells, however it wasn't on till 4 years later.

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Re: Re-Watchin' Blackadder 2020
« Reply #73 on: June 23, 2020, 03:00:30 PM »
Pilot: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x61734g

It's almost exactly what series two became - filmed in a studio, Elizabethan setting, with the high status Blackadder. But with a Philip Fox Baldrick.
Well that is interesting. Who wrote the pilot? I thought the story was That Ben Elton joined for series 2 and was more or less responsible for the changes.

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« Reply #74 on: June 23, 2020, 03:10:04 PM »
Well that is interesting. Who wrote the pilot? I thought the story was That Ben Elton joined for series 2 and was more or less responsible for the changes.

Curtis and Atkinson - there's fair bit of information at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Adder_(pilot_episode)

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Re: Re-Watchin' Blackadder 2020
« Reply #75 on: June 23, 2020, 03:50:27 PM »
Easy to sneer at Curtis' descent into romantic mush I know, but if after watching a load of Blackadder you then try watching an episode of The Vicar of Dibley, Gary Waldhorn's character is the one you end up sympathising with.

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« Reply #76 on: June 23, 2020, 04:03:43 PM »
Aye. Of all the characters, his is the one who goes on the biggest (hnnngh) journey. From fearsome opponent of Geraldine to biggest ally and romantic interest at various points.

Odd show when you think about it. Rapidly moved from the format of a weekly sitcom to occasional seasonal specials only. Took Only Fools best part of a decade to do that.

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« Reply #77 on: June 23, 2020, 04:44:08 PM »
Series 3 is my favourite, partly because it's the first one I ever watched but also because I love the sparse, stripped-down quality it has with the main cast reduced to just three characters. There's something very satisfying in the simplicity of the pecking order from the Prince to Blackadder to Baldrick and it feels like the purest distillation of the show's formula, as well as having a certain scrappy, intimate character that lends it a kind of cosiness for me.

This sums up exactly why I love Third the best too, and backs up my earlier complaint about Blackadder II having too many characters.

I got into Blackadder in a weird way. We listened to the BBC audio tapes of Third and Forth in the car ad nauseum when I was 12-13, about a year before I saw the TV episodes. When I eventually got it on VHS, it was damn weird seeing that sound I knew inside out with pictures. I of course had visualised myself what I thought it looked like.

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« Reply #78 on: June 23, 2020, 11:43:29 PM »
So it turns out Mrs Miggins' pie shop is only mentioned (multiple times) in series two. In series three she's running a coffee shop.

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« Reply #79 on: June 24, 2020, 09:00:24 AM »
The rushes show them all getting shot and dying painfully. It would have been an awful way to end the series.

I've just watched that.  It just looks ridiculous.  I'm glad it was changed.

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« Reply #80 on: June 24, 2020, 09:55:14 AM »
So it turns out Mrs Miggins' pie shop is only mentioned (multiple times) in series two. In series three she's running a coffee shop.

Is this a mandela effect that I may be responsible for?

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« Reply #81 on: June 24, 2020, 05:40:56 PM »
Is this a mandela effect that I may be responsible for?

I think it's a reasonable mistake as the phrase "Mrs Miggins' pie shop" is heard in (I think) every episode of the second series. In the third series it's definitely a coffee shop. Dr Johnson calls it "Mrs Miggins' literary salon", but he shouldn't even be alive when the action takes place, so what does he know.


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Re: Re-Watchin' Blackadder 2020
« Reply #82 on: June 24, 2020, 06:45:32 PM »
I think it's a reasonable mistake as the phrase "Mrs Miggins' pie shop" is heard in (I think) every episode of the second series. In the third series it's definitely a coffee shop. Dr Johnson calls it "Mrs Miggins' literary salon", but he shouldn't even be alive when the action takes place, so what does he know.


I recall one of the poets saying to her "bring me but one cup of the brown-ed juice of the bean we call coffee". Probably the same episode.

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« Reply #83 on: June 24, 2020, 07:14:40 PM »
I recall one of the poets saying to her "bring me but one cup of the brown-ed juice of the bean we call coffee". Probably the same episode.

Yes, that's right. Blackadder also asks for “a cup of your best hot water with brown grit in it, unless of course by some miracle your coffee shop has started selling coffee”.

The next episode has this exchange:





So it's a coffee shop that (normally) sells pies.

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« Reply #84 on: June 24, 2020, 07:20:41 PM »
He's been nursing that horses' willy all morning...

Chris Barrie perfectly cast there.

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Re: Re-Watchin' Blackadder 2020
« Reply #85 on: June 24, 2020, 07:57:42 PM »
I think it's a reasonable mistake as the phrase "Mrs Miggins' pie shop" is heard in (I think) every episode of the second series. In the third series it's definitely a coffee shop. Dr Johnson calls it "Mrs Miggins' literary salon", but he shouldn't even be alive when the action takes place, so what does he know.



That pic has reminded me of another aspect of series 3 that I love - the mad Graceland-style end credits music that somehow fits the show perfectly despite being so utterly incongruous. I think Howard Goodall has a particular knack for coming up with left-field music choices that capture a show's essence in a counterintuitive way - like his melancholy choral arrangement for Mr. Bean or Red Dwarf's jaunty, up-tempo end credits song which still manages to convey a small undercurrent of haunting bleakness.
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Re: Re-Watchin' Blackadder 2020
« Reply #86 on: June 24, 2020, 08:18:50 PM »
See I was thinking that I hated it, but it's been in my head for most of the week.

Re: Re-Watchin' Blackadder 2020
« Reply #87 on: June 24, 2020, 10:57:43 PM »
Series Three reminds me of Madhur Jaffrey curries. Not from original transmissions, but from whatever those twatty tape things before DVDs were that I used to watch after cooking one from her book. For some reason I must have watched a series 3 episode with a curry. Series 1, 2 or 4, I can't particularly link to a food. Maybe I had a donner kebab with those?

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Re: Re-Watchin' Blackadder 2020
« Reply #88 on: June 24, 2020, 11:39:17 PM »
He's been nursing that horses' willy all morning...

Chris Barrie perfectly cast there.

"I 'ave mur-daired the ambassador and turned him into paté!"

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Re: Re-Watchin' Blackadder 2020
« Reply #89 on: June 25, 2020, 01:19:54 PM »
I recall one of the poets saying to her "bring me but one cup of the brown-ed juice of the bean we call coffee".

Naughty bean!

I think Howard Goodall has a particular knack for coming up with left-field music choices that capture a show's essence in a counterintuitive way

Absolutely, also including the Brian May-esque electric guitar solo introducing II, a bit of 20th century discordant individualism plopped onto a courtly Renaissance setting, like Edmund himself.

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