Glinner: thread for backseat moderators and hand-wringing [split topic]

[here4glinner]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita

2016 data:

UK - 12l of pure alcohol per year per capita (6th in the OECD)
Ireland - 10.9l of pure alcohol per year per capita (12th in the OECD)

I'm not denying that we all like a bit of booze but Brits sneering at the Irish for drinking too much is just hypocritical.

My late Irish dad wouldn't have had much tolerance for a Brit making lazy stereotypes about the Irish and I am inclined to agree with him. By rights, the Irish should be just as pissed off at the Brits as the Iranians, if not moreso. It's frankly amazing that they don't despise us. Like 800 years of systematic oppression, exploitation and even genocide, ending within living memory? It's probably for the best if we are very nice about Irish people from now on.

I criticised my gf / baby momma for using the phrase 'throwing a paddy' the other day. We are so mean about the Irish - who we have been heartlessly cruel towards for centuries - that anti-Irish slurs have embedded themselves into our language without us even recognising them as being anti-Irish.

[Buelligan]

That's the English for you, can't even win at getting arseholed.

[Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse]

At the risk of repeating myself, I work in a place were tourists drink, I can promise you that it is the English who are renowned and despised for having no sense or control when it comes to drink, certainly in Europe.

English people drinking themselves into oblivion doesn't make what I said about Ireland as a nation having difficulty with drinking sensibly untrue. And there's this added layer of rural politicians or the Vintners' Federation of Ireland periodically arguing that the legal blood alcohol limit should be raised because rural pubs are dying and what are sixty year old bachelor farmers supposed to do to socialise. Of course we aren't the only country that has a problem with people drinking to excess. I'm Irish myself, living in Ireland, have lived here all my life. I can say it. Brits can't.

By rights, the Irish should be just as pissed off at the Brits as the Iranians, if not moreso. It's frankly amazing that they don't despise us.

It never went away. Brexit just stirred it all up.

Here's Brady Family Ham advertising with a jingle to the tune of explicitly anti-British rebel song "Come Out Ye Black and Tans":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVrHlxYXsmc

This ran on TV and radio in 2019. And it's not even just set to the tune of Black and Tans, the chorus has only replaced a couple of words to make it ham-related. You're supposed to go "omg XD" and remember the product.

[Default to the negative]

Just to clarify: there's no doubt that he's trolling, it's what he does.

He says there's no doubt, but I say it's ambiguous. Did you ever see that film The Gift (2015). Not the Keanu and Blanchett film that came out way back. I mean the Joel Edgerton film from five years ago.

Yeah well. Barry is the Simon character in that film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3IiZU9JBuE

[GoblinAhFuckScary]

You can't make me watch that.

[bgmnts]

Drunk English people, you mean.

Nah he was correct.

[Default to the negative]

You can't make me watch that.

Watch it! Watch my trashy B-grade exploitation thriller!

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[Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse]

How amazing that Ireland allows transgender folk to self-identify! We're still debating whether they should be allowed to exist.

[here4glinner]

innit weird how the only person who is attempting to excuse Graham Linehan's bigotry is also digging their heels in on it being okay to dismiss the Irish as a bunch of drunks?

If you're making shitty comments about a ethnic group, but 'you're just trolling,' that doesn't make it any better.

"I was just shitting on this ethnic group my people have shat on for centuries to yank your chain, lol. Don't take it so serious!"

[bgmnts]

My people? Hmm

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I think I understand his premise, even though I do no agree with his conclusions. The Irish have been consistent troublemakers, on the political stage and also on the everyday social level.

[Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse]

I think I understand his premise, even though I do no agree with his conclusions. The Irish Brits have been consistent troublemakers, on the political stage and also on the everyday social level.

ftfy

[here4glinner]

My people? Hmm

my people too. We Brits need to own our wrongdoing.

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ftfy

[Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse]

Hm? sorry, I'm busy enjoying not having to exchange my money when I go to France, Spain, Germany, Portugal, Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium, Austria, Greece...

so wonderful knowing whether I'm being ripped off or not without having to google exchange rates

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Yeah look at me, I can still trade my pennies in infamous economic disaster zones. Oh I so envy you bartering in Greece.

[bgmnts]

my people too. We Brits need to own our wrongdoing.

Do you identify as British? I genuinely don't tbh. Never have done unless forced to on an equal opportunities form or what have you.

[bgmnts]

Yeah look at me, I can still trade my pennies in infamous economic disaster zones. Oh I so envy you bartering in Greece.

Such strength.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/22/britain-nearly-went-bust-in-march-says-bank-of-england

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Yeah but I live in Scotland and there's still the chance of independence. We're gonna make a special silky deal with the Swedes. Or so Alec Salmond used to say...

...before the accusations. Before the Cosby times....

[canadagoose]

Yeah but I live in Scotland and there's still the chance of independence. We're gonna make a special silky deal with the Swedes. Or so Alec Salmond used to say...

...before the accusations. Before the Cosby times....

Fuck's sake. Imagine being Scottish and being this much of an anti-Irish sod.

edit: Also the irony of berating Irish people about alcohol. You know what they say. Look around you. Just... look around you

[Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse]

Fuck's sake. Imagine being Scottish and being this much of an anti-Irish sod.

but sure where do you think all them orange bastards in the North came from

they're all descended from Scottish Presbyterians who were given the land in the 1600s

[canadagoose]

but sure where do you think all them orange bastards in the North came from

they're all descended from Scottish Presbyterians who were given the land in the 1600s

This is the source of much shame. Don't worry, I don't like it either. I'm "of Protestant origin" and I cringe whenever some staunch 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 person waffles on on Twitter about some shit.

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Fuck's sake. Imagine being Scottish and being this much of an anti-Irish sod.

edit: Also the irony of berating Irish people about alcohol. You know what they say. Look around you. Just... look around you

[canadagoose]

Pfft. I don't particularly have anything against the Irish, if I have to say so.

Well a little bit. Sometimes. A mild annoyance, not a passionate religious bigotry. Sometimes, they're always jigging around and shouting. It's too much. Calm down. Why not be quiet for a change.

You should probably tell your definitely-not-pals in the OO to stop doing their dogshit marches too. They like jigging around, shouting (about Catholics) and not being quiet (outside Catholic churches).

[Barry Admin]

This is the source of much shame. Don't worry, I don't like it either. I'm "of Protestant origin" and I cringe whenever some staunch 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 person waffles on on Twitter about some shit.

I had a neighbour earlier on today going on at me again about the flags he's putting up for the 11th night/12th of July.  Just sort of nod and smile and ask what flags they are, while very carefully supressing the overwhelming urge to say "yeah, I'm not into all that shit. And I think the royal family are all lizard nonces."

[canadagoose]

I had a neigbour earlier again today going on at me about the flags he's putting up for the 11th night/12th of July.  Just sort of nod and smile and ask what flags they are, while very carefully supressing the overwhelming urge to say "yeah, I'm not into all that shit. And I think the royal family are all lizard nonces."

Did you call the Queen the C.o.D.? I imagine that probably wouldn't have gone over well. I had friends whose parents were a bit into all that staunch SIMPLY EH BEST shit and it was always a bit awkward. I used to be temporarily pro-royal when I was 12-14 but when I was younger I wasn't arsed so thought it was a bit weird.

[Buelligan]

Why not be quiet for a change.

This is the most sensible thing I've ever heard you say.  Why not do it?

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You should probably tell your definitely-not-pals in the OO to stop doing their dogshit marches too. They like jigging around, shouting (about Catholics) and not being quiet (outside Catholic churches).

[bgmnts]

Is this casual stereotyping acceptable here?