Ghislaine Maxwell Finally Arrested

[marquis_de_sad]

No, it's the way you have worded your post, it read to me like a click bait article link, that's all

Oh sorry, I see what you mean. You won't believe what I look like now.

[BlodwynPig]

Sounds a bit flimsy that, Blodwyn, Epstein had his own personal empire which was crumbling around him.

No, he was not a powerful person. He was a paid operative. It's all smoke and mirrors.

[chveik]

certainly more powerful than the rest of us schmucks

[BlodwynPig]

certainly more powerful than the rest of us schmucks

just a lap dog living in 'paradise'. No power. Nada. He owned nothing of substance. A void. At most a puppet. Zero free will. Controlled. Zombified from his early 20s by powerful shadow men.

[chveik]

he had enough power to destroy the life of countless women. no need for the shadowy stuff.

[marquis_de_sad]

just a lap dog living in 'paradise'. No power. Nada. He owned nothing of substance. A void. At most a puppet. Zero free will. Controlled. Zombified from his early 20s by powerful shadow men.

Fuck off with this x files shit. He was a rapist.

[BlodwynPig]

Fuck off with this x files shit. He was a rapist.

He was a rapist, a paedophile, a narcissist, a state asset, many things, nothing good. Yet.. yet. Clinton, Prince Andrew and many more walk free and alive. You going to tell me there is nothing to see apart from a lone rapist? Thought not

Dont think x-files scratched the surface.

[marquis_de_sad]

He was a rapist, a paedophile, a narcissist, a state asset, many things, nothing good. Yet.. yet. Clinton, Prince Andrew and many more walk free and alive. You going to tell me there is nothing to see apart from a lone rapist? Thought not

Dont think x-files scratched the surface.

You said he had "no power". Of course he was embedded in elite networks, that's where he made his money. Take your spooky fan fiction to HS art.

[touchingcloth]

Has anyone ever shat bricks as a suicide method?

[Joe Oakes]

You said he had "no power". Of course he was embedded in elite networks, that's where he made his money. Take your spooky fan fiction to HS art.

He also said that he didn't own anything of substance. To be fair, it was a tiny island.

[jobotic]

Er, can I just remind you that Hitler was a socialist. It was in the name of his party!

So clearly Epstein was left wing and part of this board's hive mind

Yet here you sit in your ivory towers judging poor dry Andrew.

[Twonty Gostelow]

Strong paedo vibes:

'One is fun' is coincidentally Prince Andrew's opening chat-up line.

[idunnosomename]

quarter of a teaspoon of cumin

[Twonty Gostelow]

Can I be the first one here to wish Ghislaine all the best?

[Retinend]

Paedos aren't left wing bogey men too? :-)

The left love pedos. Don't you read Breitbart?

[Lisa Jesusandmarychain]

Can I be the first one here to wish Ghislaine all the best?

I like to think of you smiling and waving hopefully to the camera as you deliver this line, a la Ian MacNaughton in Monty Pythons " Election Night" sketch.

[BlodwynPig]

You said he had "no power". Of course he was embedded in elite networks, that's where he made his money. Take your spooky fan fiction to HS art.

oh fuck off Marquis, if you're happy to wave in corruption and evil then the most you deserve is LS art. Another beige liberal outed on the forum (supported by Joe Oakes no less, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha - a small man for a small island). Dangerous people here, folks.

[Retinend]

OK so I finally found a moment to review all this stuff. I should say I like all this speculation and theorising and really have no animus against anyone who sees the case this way. Also, as I said, my command of the facts is not as deep as some of you who do believe in it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51053205

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-people-jeffrey-epstein-cameras/fbi-studies-two-broken-cameras-outside-cell-where-epstein-died-source-idUKKCN1VI2NA

OK so this is a point for the conspiracy. Still, I personally don't know how seriously underpaid prison guards take their job. If a camera breaks, will they report it, or will they know it to be a waste of time? Is there one camera per cell, or a single camera that sweeps several cells, thus making footage "unusable" (Washington Post's wording) if a cell is placed further back in the field of view? What I'm saying is that it is not inexplicable, though it is not - on the face of it - very probable, I grant you.

Well the cameras didn't work during the first "suicide attempt" either, the one where he was in his cell with the strangler with ties to law enforcement who conveniently didn't see anything. News outlets initially reported this as an assault for some reason, no idea why.

Counterpoint: The prisoner NYPD officer, Nicholas Tartaglione, actually put in the request for the CCTV video to be released (BBC article). Then again, I suppose given the presumption that this man was an assassin, this was a deft bluff on his part.

He was taken off suicide watch after a week and a half (reason not given) by the jail's chief psychological officer with detailed explanation in his report (report not released and believed missing, officer now quietly moved on), and placed on his own in a cell with a bunk bed.

So the cellmate was paid for the assassination, the psychological officer was paid to write the report, the guards were paid to turn off the CCTV camera. Of course the posited shadowy consortium could, by definition, do anything it put its mind to doing - but in that case why didn't they finish him off before he was convicted? when the coast was clear, so to speak?

He was found later during a convenient gap in patrols when the CPB officers decided not to check, with a broken hyoid which is apparently indicative of either a murder, or a long drop hanging.

The independent pathologist confirmed it was a murder, but he was ignored for reasons.

This was also mentioned in the Netflix doc - where it comes from the mouth of the pathologist himself - my reaction was this: [sarcam] what did the pathologist who wasn't being payrolled by Epstein's brother have to say about the evidence for this being a genuine suicide? 've been nice to know.[/sarcasm] https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,80499.msg4217666.html#msg4217666

I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any stretch, but the above is just... weird. At a certain point, that amount of incompetence must have taken an awful lot of competence to put in place.

I think - since you raise the issue - the line between conspiracy theory and weirdness theory, would be the point at which you stop believing in incompetence. I personally have much more faith in incompetence than in flawless execution against massive odds.

The Netflix docu is partly made by James Patterson, a guy who writes crime fiction with Bill Clinton. Odd that it didn't mention the "suicide."

Ha! Actually your presumption is wrong: the documentary heavily implies a conspiracy to assassinate, which I criticised it for here: https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,80499.msg4217666.html#msg4217666

That's what I think. Look at the Dutroux affair in Belgium: at some point incompetence and non-conspiracy stops being the default option. It just reeks of CIA funding Epstein to get blackmail material on powerful people.

I'm reading about it (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/jan/25/worlddispatch.dutroux) but I don't see where the conspiracy ought to be or what light this sheds on the purported CIA hiring of Epstein to get dirt on Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew. What's more, why would the CIA want dirt on Alan Dershowitz, Steven Pinker and Marvin Minsky? Why didn't they kill Giuffre before she ruined their blackmail card by telling all in the press?

As usual in conspiracy theories, the details are convincing but the overall picture strains credulity and common sense.

[BlodwynPig]

Shadowy cabals just LOVE the common sense of the masses

Alan Dershowitz, Steven Pinker and Marvin Minsky >>> clients

[Retinend]

Alan Dershowitz, Steven Pinker and Marvin Minsky >>> clients

wat

edit: by "> > >" you mean "were to be converted to"?

[Johnny Yesno]

oh fuck off Marquis, if you're happy to wave in corruption and evil then the most you deserve is LS art. Another beige liberal outed on the forum (supported by Joe Oakes no less, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha - a small man for a small island). Dangerous people here, folks.

You're overreacting again, Blods. Calm down and stop talking bollocks.

[Johnny Yesno]

Am I "keeping company" with Pinker simply by having read his books on psychology and linguistics?

You might change your mind if you have a look at Pinker's twitter stream, e.g. tweeting a Quillette article on Noah Carl.

[BlodwynPig]

You're overreacting again, Blods. Calm down and stop talking bollocks.

You are overreacting again Johnny, calm down.

[BlodwynPig]

wat

edit: by "> > >" you mean "were to be converted to"?

they were invited to Epstein's palace of iniquity and partook of the unholy sin, yes. A lot of rich white men have done so and are continuing to do so, while giving the babycham eyes to the public. "I'm a respected JUDGE, HOW DARE YOU". A story as old as time...but apparently even the left leaning intelligentsia on here happy for the veil to be drawn once more.

My opinion is - even if conspiracy is only conspiracy, rich white men are guilty of something and mud slinging is the only power we have so I'm mud slinging. I've had enough of pandering to them.

[Cuellar]

Here's an interesting little aside - Epstein was hired as a teacher at Dalton in the 70s when Donald Barr, the father of current Attorney General William Barr, was headmaster.

Donald Barr, also a writer, published Space Relations

a science-fiction novel about a planet ruled by oligarchs who perform child sex slavery.

[George Oscar Bluth II]

he didn't make his fortune, he was hired

Yeah this. Not watched the Neflix doc but does it go into how exactly he made his money? Because I'm yet to see someone explain how it happened, the story is "he was a teacher,[nb]I mean fucking hell right[/nb] then happens to meet the head of Bear Sterns,[nb]Of course![/nb] gets a job there,[nb]Why not just appoint a random teacher?[/nb] abruptly leaves[nb]Very, very normal[/nb] and then sets up as a high end bounty hunter[nb]Uh huh[/nb] before eventually going into high finance but only for extremely wealthy clients[nb]Only the wealthiest[/nb]". There's so many leaps of logic in that story that it doesn't make any sense at all.

[Retinend]

We can cut out this speculation. The secret services of the world combined do not have the resources to make any individual one of the richest men in the world, nor would they want to. He clearly made his money through investments that appreciated. His houses were stuffed with extremely valuable art, and his portfolio covered some of the most sought after real estate in the civilised world. The answer is "property", I am sure of it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7229803/Jeffrey-Epsteins-150MILLION-real-estate-portfolio-NYC-townhouse-Palm-Beach-estate-more.html

[idunnosomename]

CONSPIRACY

[Capt.Midnight]

Still, I personally don't know how seriously underpaid prison guards take their job. If a camera breaks, will they report it, or will they know it to be a waste of time? Is there one camera per cell, or a single camera that sweeps several cells, thus making footage "unusable" (Washington Post's wording) if a cell is placed further back in the field of view? What I'm saying is that it is not inexplicable, though it is not - on the face of it - very probable, I grant you.

It's almost comical this level of neglect. I just can't get past the argument that the prison was falling apart, breaking at the seams, a hellhole, poor staff levels, etc.. Surely for such a high profile, case, you'd ramp up security measures. On the flip side, it is a hell of lot easier to do a big murder on someone in those conditions, especially if you bring in new staff to 'assist' with the extra security. Perhaps the whole thing was purposefully engineered to be that way.

It's very easy to go down the rabbit hole with all this stuff. I've almost run out of tin foil for my windows, but it's a great protector from arch Paedo-Lizard Valashnu.

[Johnny Yesno]

Yeah this. Not watched the Neflix doc but does it go into how exactly he made his money? Because I'm yet to see someone explain how it happened, the story is "he was a teacher,[nb]I mean fucking hell right[/nb] then happens to meet the head of Bear Sterns,[nb]Of course![/nb] gets a job there,[nb]Why not just appoint a random teacher?[/nb] abruptly leaves[nb]Very, very normal[/nb] and then sets up as a high end bounty hunter[nb]Uh huh[/nb] before eventually going into high finance but only for extremely wealthy clients[nb]Only the wealthiest[/nb]". There's so many leaps of logic in that story that it doesn't make any sense at all.

Man at top of illegal 'commodity' network keeps getting lucky breaks. Whodathunk?