Topic: Let's speculate on what crime my employee committed

[Junket Pumper]

Sadly this is exactly the case. As you went on to say though the alternative is either permanent solitary, which is both unfeasible logistically and also not in line with what's considered humane, or putting them with the general population, which would basically be the same.

Are they allowed to bug nonces cells en masse?

[chveik]

pretty sure that would be a violation of their basic human rights

[gib]

surely a diet of just hard boiled eggs would have consequences

[Dex Sawash]

surely a diet of just hard boiled eggs would have noncequences

[Junket Pumper]

surely a diet of just hard boiled eggs would have consequences

Lol

[Pingers]

Bloke who worked with a good friend of mine suddenly had a haircut. He had always had a long pony tail,and one day he appeared with a 'short back and sides'. None of his colleagues knew or suspected anything. Next thing, it appears he is up in court for owning thousands of images of child porn,and is known in his local area as a potenial paedophile. He got a serious jail sentence, and none of his colleagues had suspected anything for the three years previous, when he had worked alongside them.
The haircut,along with an unexpected suit and tie,was of course on the suggestion of his brief, to make him appear more 'respectable' for his court appearance.
I had met him twice and he seemed like a normal decent bloke. Very well read and an interesting talker on a wide range of topics.
Everyone was surprised at his crime(s) but as usual, do we expect villains to wear a hat saying 'evil fucker' or what?

To be fair, the ponytail should have been a dead giveaway. "Going equipped for noncing", as the Sexual Offences Act has it.

[Non Stop Dancer]

Must be very odd for the rest of your team as well. Given the nature of his crimes, I presume none of you will keep in touch with him/visit him etc.

No chance at all of keeping in touch, we all feel that a) he's a disgusting, repeat sex offending cunt and b) we all feel personally duped by him as well.

That being said, part of me would be so interested to have a conversation with him, as I'd like to know how he justifies it to himself. What about us and his other friends - does he actually like people or are they just proving cover for him by making him seem normal? So many questions really. What really fascinates me is thinking back to conversations we had covering this exact kind of thing. The Michael Jackson documentary springs to mind. He claimed not to have seen it, but it some of the descriptions of what he allegedly did would have been proper wank fodder for him, and he'd have actually been on Jackson's side. What about Jimmy Saville - was he a hero of his or was what he did beyond the pale?

[Pingers]

No chance at all of keeping in touch, we all feel that a) he's a disgusting, repeat sex offending cunt and b) we all feel personally duped by him as well.

That being said, part of me would be so interested to have a conversation with him, as I'd like to know how he justifies it to himself. What about us and his other friends - does he actually like people or are they just proving cover for him by making him seem normal? So many questions really. What really fascinates me is thinking back to conversations we had covering this exact kind of thing. The Michael Jackson documentary springs to mind. He claimed not to have seen it, but it some of the descriptions of what he allegedly did would have been proper wank fodder for him, and he'd have actually been on Jackson's side. What about Jimmy Saville - was he a hero of his or was what he did beyond the pale?

If it helps, such a conversation would be extremely unlikely to increase your understanding. Sex offenders put a whole lot of mental energy into rationalising their actions to excuse themselves of any culpability, effectively creating an entirely different reality in their minds. They are also very practised at lying and misleading. So even if you did have an in-depth conversation with him, it might all be total bollocks. Best left to the psychs.

[Blinder Data]

there's a really good podcast called Hunting Warhead about journalist/police efforts to ensnare dark web paedos. they interview the main guy at the end and while it's interesting to hear it from the horse's mouth, you don't glean much. lots of self-pity and justification despite a truly monstrous rap sheet. better insights come from the people who knew him.

[Non Stop Dancer]

If it helps, such a conversation would be extremely unlikely to increase your understanding. Sex offenders put a whole lot of mental energy into rationalising their actions to excuse themselves of any culpability, effectively creating an entirely different reality in their minds. They are also very practised at lying and misleading. So even if you did have an in-depth conversation with him, it might all be total bollocks. Best left to the psychs.

Yeah, I don't think for a second I'd get the truth from him. I suspect he just believes that the boy he had sex with was "willing" and sex is good, so what's the problem? To him rape would only apply to the jumping out of a hedge and putting a knife to your throat variety.

[Fambo Number Mive]

there's a really good podcast called Hunting Warhead about journalist/police efforts to ensnare dark web paedos. they interview the main guy at the end and while it's interesting to hear it from the horse's mouth, you don't glean much. lots of self-pity and justification despite a truly monstrous rap sheet. better insights come from the people who knew him.

Listening to that podcast now, just started Episode 5. I'm very surprised that the main nonce can make calls from his cell. It's interesting to consider how far law enforcement should be able to go when they are digitally undercover* amongst these people as they discuss in Episode 3.

*Is that the best way of phrasing it?

[evilcommiedictator]

Was your employee this guy?

[holyzombiejesus]

and the victim....

[Sonny_Jim]

Being a bit coy with the headline there, although you can see why they didn't go with 'He fucked my dog instead of me!' for the front page.

[Paul Calf]

What's the margin for error?

I'm afraid they did a study and found it is 100%.

[icehaven]

If it helps, such a conversation would be extremely unlikely to increase your understanding. Sex offenders put a whole lot of mental energy into rationalising their actions to excuse themselves of any culpability, effectively creating an entirely different reality in their minds. They are also very practised at lying and misleading. So even if you did have an in-depth conversation with him, it might all be total bollocks. Best left to the psychs.

Yep, a couple of years ago in one of my reading groups we very unusually ended up talking about why they were in prison, and one guy (who shortly afterwards got a whopping sentence, something like 30 years) said "Arguably all I did was press keys on a computer." because he'd not actually performed abuse himself, he'd blackmailed and groomed others over the internet. Well that's what there was evidence of anyway, hard to imagine he'd never done anything physically himself, although if not that might have partly been how he justified it to himself