Author Topic: "A Letter on Justice and Open Debate"  (Read 9348 times)

Sebastian Cobb

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Re: "A Letter on Justice and Open Debate"
« Reply #450 on: July 20, 2020, 12:13:48 AM »
I'm originally from the midlands, actually!

Re: "A Letter on Justice and Open Debate"
« Reply #451 on: July 20, 2020, 12:32:49 AM »
terribly sorry please accept my apologies

Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse

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Re: "A Letter on Justice and Open Debate"
« Reply #452 on: July 20, 2020, 02:04:31 AM »

Yes yes "woke" is the biggest threat after the pandemic, you fucking clown.

chveik

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Re: "A Letter on Justice and Open Debate"
« Reply #453 on: July 20, 2020, 02:31:11 AM »
this man has never laughed in his whole life

Mister Six

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Re: "A Letter on Justice and Open Debate"
« Reply #454 on: July 20, 2020, 07:06:06 AM »
It's an attack on freedom of expression

It's not really, though, is it? Greenwald et al are still free to voice opinions in line with the ones expressed in the letter and nobody who signed it is going to shout them down or try to have them de-platformed.

Buelligan

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Cheer up, love
« Reply #455 on: July 20, 2020, 07:22:29 AM »


These days if you say you like a laugh you'll be arrested and thrown in jail.

Put him on an island with David Starkey and make them tell jokes for food, we'll see who's laughing then.  That's my advice anyway.

Cuellar

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Re: "A Letter on Justice and Open Debate"
« Reply #456 on: July 20, 2020, 10:03:29 AM »
It's not really, though, is it? Greenwald et al are still free to voice opinions in line with the ones expressed in the letter and nobody who signed it is going to shout them down or try to have them de-platformed.

Stop trying to cancel me

SpiderChrist

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Re: "A Letter on Justice and Open Debate"
« Reply #457 on: July 20, 2020, 10:09:21 AM »
oh fuck off you miserable scots git

and get yer hair cut, you look like a girl

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« Reply #458 on: July 20, 2020, 12:37:11 PM »

Famous Mortimer

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Re: "A Letter on Justice and Open Debate"
« Reply #459 on: July 20, 2020, 02:38:13 PM »
Wandering back on topic, there's an excellent episode of the podcast "Citations Needed" about the letter.

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Re: "A Letter on Justice and Open Debate"
« Reply #460 on: July 20, 2020, 09:14:20 PM »
Intellectual Dark Web superlord and anti-cancel culture king Brett Weinstein (of that tedious Dark Horse mutual bumfeel) tries to cancel bloke from The Majority Report.

https://twitter.com/BretWeinstein/status/1284564434959003648

Doesn't need to explain the hypocrisy because all his dreary reddit acolytes are doing it for him:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IntellectualDarkWeb/comments/htnc8a/producer_at_majority_report_broadcasts_knowing/

Re: Cheer up, love
« Reply #461 on: July 20, 2020, 09:27:36 PM »
Put him on an island with David Starkey and make them walk the coast.

Famous Mortimer

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Re: "A Letter on Justice and Open Debate"
« Reply #462 on: July 21, 2020, 03:23:57 PM »
Wandering back on topic, there's an excellent episode of the podcast "Citations Needed" about the letter.
The introduction to it makes some very good points, which other people in this thread have made.

1. It was obviously a right-wing stalking horse. If you're a public figure and are asked to sign something with extremely vague aims (we support freedom of speech) it's a good idea to find out who's asking you to sign it. It's like "I support human rights in Venezuela", but the people asking you to sign it are the same CIA backers of Guaido.
2. It's very obviously just about rich people not wanting people to be mad at them on Twitter; the letter ignores the institutional silencing of black people, women, LGBT+ people and almost everyone even a whisker left of centre. There are no mainstream avenues for these people to have their voices heard, and that's why they're using social media to express their justified anger.
3. How many people lost their jobs thanks to Bari Weiss, merely because they supported Palestinian rights? How was their freedom of speech protected? One of the other signees, Anne-Marie Slaughter, got a bunch of research assistants fired because they dared to criticise corporate sponsor Google. How about their freedoms?

Anyway, I'm just recapping what they said, as they summed my thoughts up better than I could. It's worth a listen.

Barry Admin

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Re: "A Letter on Justice and Open Debate"
« Reply #463 on: August 01, 2020, 03:26:41 PM »

Re: "A Letter on Justice and Open Debate"
« Reply #464 on: August 01, 2020, 03:56:19 PM »
I don't understand that comic. I think people who subscribe to that argument are aware that Hitler existed.

Re: "A Letter on Justice and Open Debate"
« Reply #465 on: August 01, 2020, 03:58:56 PM »
I don't think we need to throw the whole principle of free speech as elucidated in that Voltaire misquote out. Again, criticism and cancelling is also an aspect of free speech that ought to be defended to the death. Even arguing against free speech falls under the umbrella.

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