alt.guardian.die.die.die

[Sebastian Cobb]

I didn't know who he was but having skimmed the article I now think it's a pity he survived.

[Rizla]

'Not now, demons, I've got to go on LBC and then write something for Vogue.'

[Blue Jam]

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/jan/16/i-thrived-on-the-tension-and-drama-of-british-politics-then-i-had-a-heart-attack

You wouldn't think someone might actually blame Corbyn for their heart attack, but then, there's Rafael Behr.

Major family history of serious heart disease, ignoring angina symptoms and doing strenuous exercise during attacks, and he still blames Corbyn. What plane of reality are these people living on?

[BlodwynPig]

The crutch of "old family photo" (preferably misty eyed war time snap) to elicit sympathy is a disease that has now infested all realms of society. 'My grandad was a hero, therefore you can only feel empathy for me'.

[JaDanketies]

A load of my family were heroes (if you support the campaign against the British occupation of Ireland).

[jobotic]

I hope he got his Brighton dinner party sorted in the end. They're important.

[Sebastian Cobb]

Fucking ghouls.



OH WOW I LOVE SOCIALISM NOW

[jobotic]

https://twitter.com/ClientJournoExp/status/1350445053102215168

https://twitter.com/ClientJournoExp/status/1350462393986535427

^ spot on


My wonderful friend died of a sudden heart attack nearly four years ago, aged 53. A man who was an inspirational teacher in one of the most deprived schools in Kent. He's dead and this cunt is still hosting dinner parties for other cunts. Seems fair.

[Buelligan]

https://twitter.com/ClientJournoExp/status/1350445053102215168

https://twitter.com/ClientJournoExp/status/1350462393986535427

tbh I think some of us are a bit sick of being compared to violent racists for wanting to nationalise trains and for a few more council homes to be built

I also don't actually think most of you deep down believe what you accuse the left of being

I think it's projection and what you tell yourselves for your complicity in getting this awful government elected

You have to pretend the left are this ogre to assuage your guilt

You're just too far in now to stop

^ spot on

Absolutely.  Bravo Rafael Behr for collaborating with the people who want to carve up the Health Service.  Will it still be there, down the line, when someone else needs it and the government you've helped to elect has sold it to Serco?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/27/leaked-papers-prove-tories-want-to-sell-off-nhs-claims-corbyn

[kekse]

approval from the shadow cabinet!

https://twitter.com/LucyMPowell/status/1350389243726745600

I didn't know @rafaelbehr had had a heart attack a year ago. This piece, beautifully written, about his year since, has some symmetry with the year we've all had: enforced change of pace, re-evaluating what's important and missing contact.

[Icehaven]

The crutch of "old family photo" (preferably misty eyed war time snap) to elicit sympathy is a disease that has now infested all realms of society. 'My grandad was a hero, therefore you can only feel empathy for me'.

A load of my family were heroes (if you support the campaign against the British occupation of Ireland).

Not to go off topic too much but there's an ad for Ancestry.com (or similar) where a bloke says something like "I walk a little taller now I know my Grandad was a war hero." Well... why? You're allowed to be proud of him if you want to be, but why would you 'walk taller' yourself, it's not your achievement. I know it's similar to the mentality of being proud of sports teams etc. but it makes even less sense to me, strutting around because someone in your family was a good shot a hundred years ago.

[jobotic]

approval from the shadow cabinet!

https://twitter.com/LucyMPowell/status/1350389243726745600

Nadhim Zahawi also thinks its an "incredible piece".

It's all just one big club isn't it?

[JaDanketies]

Not to go off topic too much but there's an ad for Ancestry.com (or similar) where a bloke says something like "I walk a little taller now I know my Grandad was a war hero." Well... why? You're allowed to be proud of him if you want to be, but why would you 'walk taller' yourself, it's not your achievement. I know it's similar to the mentality of being proud of sports teams etc. but it makes even less sense to me, strutting around because someone in your family was a good shot a hundred years ago.

Yeah being proud of what your great grandad did is about as weird as being proud of what your race has accomplished imo. I'm not even proud of the shit I did a few years ago. If you didn't do it yourself in the last fortnight, shut the fuck up, nobody cares.

[Ferris]

Not to go off topic too much but there's an ad for Ancestry.com (or similar) where a bloke says something like "I walk a little taller now I know my Grandad was a war hero." Well... why? You're allowed to be proud of him if you want to be, but why would you 'walk taller' yourself, it's not your achievement. I know it's similar to the mentality of being proud of sports teams etc. but it makes even less sense to me, strutting around because someone in your family was a good shot a hundred years ago.

#JustGammonThings

[Rizla]

#shitmydadsays

[chveik]

Yeah being proud of what your great grandad did is about as weird as being proud of what your race has accomplished imo.

hmm family and race aren't quite the same thing

[Blue Jam]

Yeah being proud of what your great grandad did is about as weird as being proud of what your race has accomplished imo. I'm not even proud of the shit I did a few years ago. If you didn't do it yourself in the last fortnight, shut the fuck up, nobody cares.

It's like that MRA argument that because men have made more scientific discoveries, filed more patents and produced more art than women this means men as a whole are great and should command more respect. Then when a woman is awarded a Nobel prize they lose their shit and bang on about how her gender is irrelevant.

My sister once told me "People are so impressed when I tell them I'm related to a neuroscientist!" Yeah, fuck the fuck off please.

[Mobbd]

Not to go off topic too much but there's an ad for Ancestry.com (or similar) where a bloke says something like "I walk a little taller now I know my Grandad was a war hero." Well... why? You're allowed to be proud of him if you want to be, but why would you 'walk taller' yourself, it's not your achievement. I know it's similar to the mentality of being proud of sports teams etc. but it makes even less sense to me, strutting around because someone in your family was a good shot a hundred years ago.

hmm family and race aren't quite the same thing

"Blood and Soil" is what Nazis are into. Eugenics and Colonialism for upper-class ones. Genealogy and Xenophobia for working-class ones.

Not saying family history can't ever be interesting (though it doesn't particularly interest me) but being "proud of one's genetic lineage" is a tell-tale sign of provincial fascism. I hope to publish a small monograph on the subject one day. How To Identify A Bigoted Dimwit by Mobbd.

[Buelligan]

Do it, if nothing else it'll be something for your eventual kids to have pride in.

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

To be fair I think most people digging through their ancestry do so because their lives are so blatantly, undeniably prosaic, and they want to find something exotic and exciting to galvanize their time on Earth. Sometimes the day-to-day lack of direction and purpose affects people. They are searching for an identity that goes beyond Uber Drone/Phone Operative/Till Goblin. They are finding that immediate access to debt-funded luxury consumer items here and there doesn't substitute for the hours of their lives they are spending being cogs in a machine.

There is a clear risk that this, along with the swirling other bits of media people consume, can develop into the nationalism and bitter, unhealthy obsession with the distant past that creates the conditions for far-right movements to exploit.

[TrenterPercenter]

"Blood and Soil" is what Nazis are into. Eugenics and Colonialism for upper-class ones. Genealogy and Xenophobia for working-class ones.

That is a very excellent observation I hadn't thought it like that.

proud of one's genetic lineage" is a tell-tale sign of provincial fascism.

Hmmm not sure here so much there are lots of very non-fascist tribes that are not provincially fascist, relating characteristics of fore fathers etc...I think this is more one of those in which genealogy has been hijacked by racists.  Though as a statement falling out of the mouth of a fattened purple faced member of a QT audience then yep bigot senses are twitching

[TrenterPercenter]

To be fair I think most people digging through their ancestry do so because their lives are so blatantly, undeniably prosaic, and they want to find something exotic and exciting to galvanize their time on Earth.

Yep this also.

[bgmnts]

I find it a bit weird to have pride in anything, let alone in something someone you know did.

[chveik]

being "proud of one's genetic lineage" is a tell-tale sign of provincial fascism.

depends on the culture and what you do with such genetic lineage. it doesn't necessary imply an idea of superiority

[Mobbd]

Hmmm not sure here so much there are lots of very non-fascist tribes that are not provincially fascist, relating characteristics of fore fathers etc...I think this is more one of those in which genealogy has been hijacked by racists.  Though as a statement falling out of the mouth of a fattened purple faced member of a QT audience then yep bigot senses are twitching

Maybe. I don't mean to say that one gets into genealogy after formally pledging allegiance to Combat 18 or whatever. More that one is drawn to both or either because of one's [current and changeable] attitudes and beliefs.

To be fair I think most people digging through their ancestry do so because their lives are so blatantly, undeniably prosaic, and they want to find something exotic and exciting to galvanize their time on Earth.

Absolutely. And I relate to that. But there are loads of ways of doing it. Arts and culture and books for example. It's interest in the world versus interest in one's personal heritage: the beautiful vast otherness and diversity of life on Earth versus my few square foot of dirt and my scabby platelets and their supposed importance and/or superiority.

Do it, if nothing else it'll be something for your eventual kids to have pride in.

I laughed.

[Blue Jam]

To be fair I think most people digging through their ancestry do so because their lives are so blatantly, undeniably prosaic, and they want to find something exotic and exciting to galvanize their time on Earth.

Or they want an Irish passport.

Considering doing that myself but tbh I really don't want to know about the history of my godawful fucked-up family.

[TheBrownBottle]

I believe Behr that writing negative pieces on Corbyn somehow made him shit at jogging.

Can I have a Grauniad column?  I'll write about how growing up in Thatcher's Britain made me shit at football.  I also fucked my wrist playing tennis in the late '90s.  There has to be a decent attack article on Hague for that one.  'William Hague's Euro obsession stressed me so much I went arse over tit on a tennis court'.  2,000 words, will be done for tomorrow.

[TheBrownBottle]

depends on the culture and what you do with such genetic lineage. it doesn't necessary imply an idea of superiority

Nah, sounds like ancestor worship to me.  I fail to see how it's perfectly fine to take pride in your ancestry, as long as that ancestry is from an acceptable country.  It is all bollocks.

[Sin Agog]

Nah, sounds like ancestor worship to me.  I fail to see how it's perfectly fine to take pride in your ancestry, as long as that ancestry is from an acceptable country.  It is all bollocks.

Places like Japan giving your family name precedence could potentially temper some of that out of control western individualism that results in us doing whatever the fuck we want in the name of personal self-reckoning.  Theoretically at least.  I generally agree with BackGroundMusicNTS when he says that pride is fucking useless, if not destructive, save for helping those with broken egos pull themselves off the floor.

[imitationleather]

But what if your grandad was a really great serial killer?